Why does nvidia cheat so much?

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ZimZum

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This thread is hilarious.

What if a family member was in a Japanese internment camp and he was also best friends with a Nazi. Does that make his pet Chihuahua a bad person??????

Ok a Nazi, a internment camp survivor and an Nvidia focus group member walk into a bar................
 

bononos

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What doo you want that group do? What will you do?
Keys belongs to that group, a big time fan he maybe, but is he bad? Keys taught me that even a fan, one diehard fan who actually tells you he is one simply by looking at his sign,can be very respectful. I don't know Rollo but I know Keys. He has been bullied since I joined here. He may have back down on arguements, but he is still standing as a member of nvidia focus group, a group that many believed nonproductive, not helpful, and filled with bad people. What do you see from another member of the group you strongly believe only consists of bad people?

I've been out of the loop for a while (from old board) and while I don't doubt what you say about Keys being helpful, his reply to my post was a snide one-liner which was wrong and unecessary.
 

bononos

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This thread is hilarious.
What if a family member was in a Japanese internment camp and he was also best friends with a Nazi. Does that make his pet Chihuahua a bad person??????
Ok a Nazi, a internment camp survivor and an Nvidia focus group member walk into a bar................
Jesus, the 'focus group' had less members than the toes on one foot (albeit influential and outspoken) so it wasn't like they were very many anonymous people in one large 'camp'.
 

Seero

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I've been out of the loop for a while (from old board) and while I don't doubt what you say about Keys being helpful, his reply to my post was a snide one-liner which was wrong and unecessary.
See it in the other way and see how many people jumped on Keys due to his identity in this forum. Although Keys may have over reacted sometimes as there are just so many bullies, he may have mis-identified you as others, or mis-interpreted the contents within your posts. Not saying he is right and can do this whenever he wants, but please do focus on the argument made instead of his identity of being in some group.

Honestly, some of us are smart, and some of us are paid. Rollo is an identity that no longer exists in this forum, but people linked Keys with Rollo because of what they have in common, members of nvidia focus group. That was just a seed to the following mis-direction made, which lead to the concept:

If Rollo is bad and Rollo belongs to Nvidia focus group, then any identities associated to this group are like Rollo.

Rollo is one interesting identity, it is actually just an alias to some accounts. Knowing that I can register Seero as my alias here, but someone else can also register this alias somewhere else. That means, the Seero you see here may or may not be the Seero you see somewhere else. However, Rollo is used as a proof of Nvidia's viral marketing deed, which I found it funny.

I don't know Keys in person, and there may be other Keys who may or may not belongs to nvidia focus group and may or may not be an ass, but the poster Keysplayr I know, who post here in this forum, is not a bad person. He is, IMO a Man with ballz of steels. Even if in reality he is actually a she, she is still a Man with ballz of steels. Do I care about his sex, race, height, age, colour, favorite food, daily medicine required and other Real Life stuffs? I don't. All I care is what Keys have to say. If he said something that I disagree, then I will jump on the thing he said. I take what he said as what Keysplayr said, not anyone, or anything else said.

If I am not asking for much, then please see Keysplayr as Keysplayr, not a member of some group, not some pets, and not Rollo. Why big it a big deal because he is in some group? We are all members of this forum, and we are all equal. If Nvidia Focus Group doesn't actually mean anything to you, then stop complaining about it. Why? Because there is only one member in this forum who belongs to that group, and saying that members in that group are "blah blah blah" is equivalent of saying Keysplayr is "blah blah blah". Reread this thread and skip all the vendor attacking/defending aside and you will see what I am typing about.
 

blastingcap

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Perhaps some people are conflating Keys with NV Focus Group, and I am not going to read every post in this ridiculous thread. But I don't think that's the real issue. The real issue that the NV Focus Group (and any predecessor or similar groups) are viewed as tainted by a lot of people, wrongly or rightly. Even one who hates the NV Focus Group could still love Keys ...while praying that the Group dissolves.

See it in the other way and see how many people jumped on Keys due to his identity in this forum. Although Keys may have over reacted sometimes as there are just so many bullies, he may have mis-identified you as others, or mis-interpreted the contents within your posts. Not saying he is right and can do this whenever he wants, but please do focus on the argument made instead of his identity of being in some group.

Honestly, some of us are smart, and some of us are paid. Rollo is an identity that no longer exists in this forum, but people linked Keys with Rollo because of what they have in common, members of nvidia focus group. That was just a seed to the following mis-direction made, which lead to the concept:

If Rollo is bad and Rollo belongs to Nvidia focus group, then any identities associated to this group are like Rollo.

Rollo is one interesting identity, it is actually just an alias to some accounts. Knowing that I can register Seero as my alias here, but someone else can also register this alias somewhere else. That means, the Seero you see here may or may not be the Seero you see somewhere else. However, Rollo is used as a proof of Nvidia's viral marketing deed, which I found it funny.

I don't know Keys in person, and there may be other Keys who may or may not belongs to nvidia focus group and may or may not be an ass, but the poster Keysplayr I know, who post here in this forum, is not a bad person. He is, IMO a Man with ballz of steels. Even if in reality he is actually a she, she is still a Man with ballz of steels. Do I care about his sex, race, height, age, colour, favorite food, daily medicine required and other Real Life stuffs? I don't. All I care is what Keys have to say. If he said something that I disagree, then I will jump on the thing he said. I take what he said as what Keysplayr said, not anyone, or anything else said.

If I am not asking for much, then please see Keysplayr as Keysplayr, not a member of some group, not some pets, and not Rollo. Why big it a big deal because he is in some group? We are all members of this forum, and we are all equal. If Nvidia Focus Group doesn't actually mean anything to you, then stop complaining about it. Why? Because there is only one member in this forum who belongs to that group, and saying that members in that group are "blah blah blah" is equivalent of saying Keysplayr is "blah blah blah". Reread this thread and skip all the vendor attacking/defending aside and you will see what I am typing about.
 

3DVagabond

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Did I spin it up? I told you all I did was to google "viral marketing AMD" and it was the first site that pops up. There are a lot of other hits on the first page which is a result of this incident. In fact, there were a thread over in the CPU section 5 years ago. Spin?

Well, maybe you should have read it and the "follow up link" in the article? Then you would have seen where they state that they were never hired by AMD to do anything like the posts in the forums.
 

Pantalaimon

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What doo you want that group do? What will you do?
Keys belongs to that group, a big time fan he maybe, but is he bad?

He keeps insisting that the purpose of the group is not to discredit competition, or to shill. I ask again, if that's not the purpose, why Rollo has never been reigned in by NVIDIA, who runs this group? Who ever from NVIDIA who runs it must be aware of Rollo's posting behavior.

So, in a group as small as this, should I believe the claim that shilling, and discrediting competition are not part of the group's purpose when Rollo seem to have free reign to continue his atrocious posting behavior while continuing to be retained as a member of the group.
 

jvroig

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This thread has gone into an uncontrolled downward spiral.

Please keep the discussions to whether nV is "cheating" or if it is just business as usual for any company.

Refrain from commenting about the psychology of other people, or discussing how "X" is a fanboy / shill / paranoid / etc.

This is your one warning. I am drawing the proverbial line in the sand.

Participate in this thread at your own risk if you cannot or do not want to heed this warning.

Moderator jvroig
 

Lonbjerg

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Might aswell lock the thread.
None of the claims about NVIDIA "cheating" held any water.
They have been debunked (even with proper explations & links) that was why the thread took this turn.

When all else fails and gets debunked....go for the man.

In this case the "man" was keys.

Should say it all, that if "Rollo" is needed to be dragged into the debate...then there is no debate, only FUD and ignorance.
 

Grooveriding

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Might aswell lock the thread.
None of the claims about NVIDIA "cheating" held any water.
They have been debunked (even with proper explations & links) that was why the thread took this turn.

??

No one can or has debunked nvidia using viral marketing in this forum and others. It's a fact. The derailing has stemmed from personal attacks and discussing Rollo's and the focus group's less than stellar history and association with said viral marketing.

Plenty of good information in the thread about nvidia's, at times, underhanded and deceitful business practices hurting gamers and consumers. Plenty of unrelated trash as well.
 

Lonbjerg

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No one can or has debunked nvidia using viral marketing in this forum and others. It's a fact. The derailing has stemmed from personal attacks and discussing Rollo's and the focus group's less than stellar history and association with said viral marketing.

Plenty of good information in the thread about nvidia's, at times, underhanded and deceitful business practices hurting gamers and consumers. Plenty of unrelated trash as well.

All I have seen, besides people being butthurt over Rollo years ago is this:

I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*

Wether is based on ignorace or fanboyism, you tell me?
So what did this thread reveal?

Serious...not just blanket staements...but SPECIFICS!

And I don't care about Rollo.
 

Grooveriding

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All I have seen, besides people being butthurt over Rollo years ago is this:

I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim A
*claim A gets debunked*
I have no clue I make claim B
*claim B gets debunked*

Wether is based on ignorace or fanboyism, you tell me?
So what did this thread reveal?

Serious...not just blanket staements...but SPECIFICS!

And I don't care about Rollo.

?? Like I said, no one has debunked the fact of nvidia viral marketing. As far as the rest with issues like the Batman AA fiasco and Crysis 2, those are subjective.
 

Lonbjerg

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?? Like I said, no one has debunked the fact of nvidia viral marketing. As far as the rest with issues like the Batman AA fiasco and Crysis 2, those are subjective.

This thread wasn't about the focus group.
That topic only entered after the Crysis and Batman lies were debunked.

I hope you didn't try to "revive" the debunked Crysis + tesselllation or Batman + AA...because that would be posting agsint the facts.

So besides Rollo, what did this thread achieve...besides a lot of debunked FUD?

You got nothing?!
 

Grooveriding

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This thread wasn't about the focus group.
That topic only entered after the Crysis and Batman lies were debunked.

I hope you didn't try to "revive" the debunked Crysis + tesselllation or Batman + AA...because that would be posting agsint the facts.

So besides Rollo, what did this thread achieve...besides a lot of debunked FUD?

You got nothing?!

I don't think you're getting it, but okay then.
 

Lonbjerg

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I don't think you're getting it, but okay then.


Oh, I get it...you have nothing :thumbsup:


Seriously? Right after a mod post?

Groover already let it go. Your zinger / one-liner serves nothing more than to bait him into further argument and incite further fanboy wars.

This kind of posting is not welcome here.

Moderator jvroig
 
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Mistwalker

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This thread wasn't about the focus group.
That topic only entered after the Crysis and Batman lies were debunked.

I hope you didn't try to "revive" the debunked Crysis + tesselllation or Batman + AA...because that would be posting agsint the facts.
What, precisely, was debunked with regards to Crysis?
 

Lonbjerg

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What, precisely, was debunked with regards to Crysis?

You do some reading up:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2185654

Notice how the thread from start is filled with ignorant people, that persists even if people with far greater DX11 knowlegde explains the details...and how this dosn't differ from Crysis 1.

It should tell you why this thread is based on a flawed assumption...and hasn't contribauted to anything...expect expose the ignorace in some people.
 

Creig

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This thread wasn't about the focus group.
That topic only entered after the Crysis and Batman lies were debunked.

I hope you didn't try to "revive" the debunked Crysis + tesselllation or Batman + AA...because that would be posting agsint the facts.

So besides Rollo, what did this thread achieve...besides a lot of debunked FUD?

You got nothing?!

Nvidia blatantly cheats in multiple 3DMark benchmarks to artificially boost their scores.
http://www.futuremark.com/pressroom/companypdfs/3dmark03_audit_report.pdf



Nvidia artificially locks out any non-Nvidia users from in-game MSAA. Rocksteady claims that the lockout code was from Nvidia and that Rocksteady was not able to remove it without permission from Nvidia. AMD cards shown to be perfectly capable of displaying the graphics once the device ID is changed to that of an Nvidia card.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/11/4/batmangate-amd-vs-nvidia-vs-eidos-fight-analyzed.aspx



Nvidia artificially locks out PhysX from any computer system containing an AMD video card claiming they have done so for technical reasons, even for users of add-in Aegia PhysX cards. A later driver (Forceware 257.15) that somehow slipped out without the lockout in place shows that Nvidia isn't blocking it due to any technical concerns. PhysX works just fine with an AMD card as the primary renderer.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3744/...terogeneous-gpu-physx-its-a-bug-not-a-feature



This puppy is Fermi! Actually, no, it isn't. It's just a mockup. But we'll try to pass it off as a working sample so people don't realize that we aren't even close to releasing it as a retail product yet.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...irst_Graphics_Cards_on_Track_for_Q4_2009.html



Nvidia hires marketing firm AEG to increase Nvidia sales by seeding online forums with viral marketers. Small surprise, we find one of them here at ATF.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1804008



Nvidia Purevideo fiasco. Nvidia touts the power of their new NV40 video processor and how it will have full hardware acceleration of MPEG1, MPEG2 and WMV9 encoding and decoding. It's in slides, it's on the box. Yet even after the NV40 (Geforce 6800) is release, where is the promised Purevideo? Well, it turns out it's actually broken. What does Nvidia do about it? Nothing. And admits nothing. They make no announcements, no apologies and certainly don't attempt any sort of reimbursement for those people who bought a 6800 wanting to use the PureVideo function.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1506/2


Nvidia bumpgate. At first, Nvidia denies that there is any problem at all. Then blames TSMC, insufficient cooling designs and even customers usage patterns. In the end, Nvidia is found to have been at fault and is forced to pay for repairs.
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/11/why-nvidias-chips-are-defective/

And still don't admit that it was their fault.
Nvidia has denied, and continues to deny, all allegations of wrongdoing or liability whatsoever" and is only agreeing to the settlement "solely because it will eliminate burden, expense, management distraction and uncertainties of further litigation.
http://classactiontimes.com/entry/Nvidia-settles-Bumpgate-class-action-lawsuit



Nvidia tries to push around reviewers.
Do you any of you want to hear the full story of how NVIDIA tried to keep BFG10K's Part II on GTX 470 from publication? How they attempted to "bribe" both of us with offers of hardware and access to twiimtbp games? How they strong arm us afterward as they have done to just about every other tech site?

Do you want to hear (at least) 8 years of their known history of viral marketing to the tech sites? And far more? About their top officials posting on the tech forums "anonymously" and then forbidding company employees to do the same? Why they employ Rollo as to direct their Focus Group - which is *still* viral marketing and true to its AEG roots?
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21560



I'm sure there is more than this. These are just some of the more memorable Nvidia moments.
 

apoppin

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Nvidia tries to push around reviewers.
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21560



I'm sure there is more than this. These are just some of the more memorable Nvidia moments.
Since you are going to quote me, you ought to quote something new - the latest. As Idontknow pointed out AMD also uses viral marketing to the tech sites; the only difference is that it isn't "official". There are members here who get free kit through AMD channels and they do the same thing that the Old AEG Focus Group did - and much worse.

After i complained to a top official at Nvidia, they pulled a certain someone back from his campaigns and i would have to give them "most improved" since that incident happened two years ago. They called these tactics "hold overs" from their past.

i talk about this very freely at our own forum and will continue to do so - over there.

Aloha
 

SirPauly

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The only one's I agree with is 3dmark -- that crossed the line. Not necessarily hiring AEG but creating a strategy to go behind the gamers' back even if there was no malice or nefarious intent intended. Both have been addressed to me.
 
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hdfxst

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Since you are going to quote me, you ought to quote something new - the latest. As Idontknow pointed out AMD also uses viral marketing to the tech sites; the only difference is that it isn't "official". There are members here who get free kit through AMD channels and they do the same thing that the Old AEG Focus Group did - and much worse.

After i complained to a top official at Nvidia, they pulled a certain someone back from his campaigns and i would have to give them "most improved" since that incident happened two years ago. They called these tactics "hold overs" from their past.

i talk about this very freely at our own forum and will continue to do so - over there.

Aloha

can you please post proof of this(people here getting free stuff).It would end this argument
 

NIGELG

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Since you are going to quote me, you ought to quote something new - the latest. As Idontknow pointed out AMD also uses viral marketing to the tech sites; the only difference is that it isn't "official". There are members here who get free kit through AMD channels and they do the same thing that the Old AEG Focus Group did - and much worse.

After i complained to a top official at Nvidia, they pulled a certain someone back from his campaigns and i would have to give them "most improved" since that incident happened two years ago. They called these tactics "hold overs" from their past.

i talk about this very freely at our own forum and will continue to do so - over there.

Aloha
Well why don't you expose them like how you did with Nvidia a while ago?

And what do you mean by ''...and much worse''?Let's see some proof of this or some examples if you make such statements.
 
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