Just so that you now, those companies can slave children from 2nd/3rd world as they pleased, I will QQ about it, but if the product delivers, that is where my money goes. Do I even care about their reputation? To your surprise, the lower the better. If they have good reputation, then price increases. So why am I appears to be defending? I didn't. I am seen that way because of fanboys like you at the opposite side keep saying I am.So to condense your post. You prefer nvidia and this thread offends you because it speaks negatively about them.
Another answer to this thread would be to garner and cultivate opinions like yours about nvidia.
Again, I don't mind Nvidia helping their customer by adding goodies, gimmick or not, into games. Fanboys see it as Nvidia take things away from them, that is idiotic.
So to condense your post. You prefer nvidia and this thread offends you because it speaks negatively about them.
Another answer to this thread would be to garner and cultivate opinions like yours about nvidia.
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Grooveriding hates the company but loves their hardware.I love how you completely ignored every individual point he made. You'd make a great politician that everyone would love to hate.
Grooveriding hates the company but loves their hardware.
Nvidia is just more of a scumbaggery company. It's why I'll use AMD if the choice is there for me. It's not so bad I would not buy nvidia obviously, but would rather give my money to AMD than a company that uses viral marketers in forums to misrepresent their products, makes use of some review sites with blatant bias and harms all gamers by crippling titles to look better in benchmarks.
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Again, I don't mind Nvidia helping their customer by adding goodies, gimmick or not, into games. Fanboys see it as Nvidia take things away from them, that is idiotic.
Hey, proprietary, block, cheat or sabotage, I really don't care, as customers who paid for their GPU get something exclusive.
Unsatisfied with the CQ-56, some class members sought help from Ted Frank of the Center for Class Action Fairness. Frank filed a complaint in March and the court conducted a hearing on March 28. Frank said he's seen class members be ripped off before, but never anything like this.
Yeah, they got no SLI on their AMD rigs also no use of their Nvidia cards for Physx when running a card from the competition. Also they get overtessellated DX11 games unplayable on their budget Nvidia cards because Nvidia is doing exactly what you said later:
Also the proud owners of $1000-1500 laptops with faulty Nvidia chipsets got as a replacement from Nvidia $300 single core laptops. And this only after they sued and only for those who joined the lawsuit in which Nvidia made this commitment:
"a replacement computer of like or similar kind and equal or similar value will be provided to the consumer at Nvidia's expense".
http://www.techspot.com/news/43614-customers-get-shafted-in-nvidia-class-action-suit.html
You can bet many Nvidia owners "get something exclusive" as you said.
The same usual five or six posters show up. It's why it's not worth trying for a discussion in any thread that doesn't cry love for nvidia. The same try-hards come to every one and contribute the same old diatribe we used to hear from Rollo all the time - 'they're doing it for gamers'
If your lockstep quartet is worth anything, it's as a testament to the wily marketing department nvidia has at their disposal, nothing more.
It's always a good chuckle when the die-hards can't fathom someone owning an extent of the hardware they praise so much yet don't/can't buy themselves, and not being enamored with the company that produces it the way they are. Of course we get the usual unrelated nonsense, this time references to AMD's CPUs. If you noticed, I don't use AMD CPUs because Intels are clearly better, whereas I do buy and use AMD GPUs because nvidia's cards are not clearly better.
Reading some of these posts from users who actually believe nvidia has a superior product leaves one with the belief you must be completely out of touch. Nvidia offers nothing AMD doesn't these days, but one. The one outlier nvidia can lay claim to is the 580, in contrast to that AMD has the 6990 though. Besides the 580, AMD has nvidia matched/bested in every other category. It's those sort of beliefs that kept some buyers waiting seven months for fermi when they could of had DX11 and the same performance long before then. Even longer for those buyers who waited almost a year for the 460, when the 5850 was there to be had before that.
I bought two 5870s at launch. Then later I got some 480s. Neither company has my undying loyalty, and I'm certainly not enough of a sucker to believe a dead-end, failed proprietary standard like physx or twimtpb 'being for my good' is a reason to lock myself out of what is available to consumers.
Do I prefer to use AMD, sure. At least I am honest about my preferences. Rather than coming into every thread that doesn't sing the praises of my brand-master and crying over it, all the while claiming no fanboyism when it's as clear as pie on your face. I prefer to use AMD for the simple fact I don't like a company that comes into tech forums and viral-markets and deceives people. One that chooses to lock standard features of any game out of gamers hands who choose not to use their hardware.
As always it's laughable the way you can see the hardcore fanboys by their being mystified at someone owning nvidia hardware but not raining praise upon them. As if the two have to go hand in hand. I think they must be oblivious to the multitude of members here who use both or go back and forth.
I think AMD and nvidia being on performance parity these days is why we hear so much about worthless stuff like physx and twimtpb etc. Since there is no longer a clear performance disparity to market on, it's now become a matter of trying to highlight 'extras' and 'goodies'.
Same old story from the same old posters in this thread, like the other with that [H] Deusex review. Except this time it's; we don't want anyone to talk about nvidia and their history of poor ethics so let's talk about AMD or shoot the messenger - instead of; we don't want anyone to talk about AMD being faster in Deusex, so lets ramble on about the 580 none of us own and drivers.
Another thread polluted. I gave my opinion, clearly there cannot be a discussion here because the nvidia loyalists will keep screaming. Not to worry though, there is still the http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2185654&page=28 thread started about an article done by a credible review site highlighting the usual suspicious nvidia antics - an article with sentiments echoed by several other sites that also took a look at Crysis 2. I think there are still some lucid people in that thread that need to be shouted down with the 'it's for gamers' mantra.
Grooveriding said:People sidelining into personal attacks makes it difficult to discuss the subject line of this thread
I would like to read the Judges ruling and the context.
NVidia 1 Customers 0 :thumbsdown:Nevertheless, the court overruled Frank's objection on Monday, issuing a statement can be summed up in two words: too bad.
The same usual five or six posters show up. It's why it's not worth trying for a discussion in any thread that doesn't cry love for nvidia. The same try-hards come to every one and contribute the same old diatribe we used to hear from Rollo all the time - 'they're doing it for gamers'
If your lockstep quartet is worth anything, it's as a testament to the wily marketing department nvidia has at their disposal, nothing more.
It's always a good chuckle when the die-hards can't fathom someone owning an extent of the hardware they praise so much yet don't/can't buy themselves, and not being enamored with the company that produces it the way they are. Of course we get the usual unrelated nonsense, this time references to AMD's CPUs. If you noticed, I don't use AMD CPUs because Intels are clearly better, whereas I do buy and use AMD GPUs because nvidia's cards are not clearly better.
Reading some of these posts from users who actually believe nvidia has a superior product leaves one with the belief you must be completely out of touch. Nvidia offers nothing AMD doesn't these days, but one. The one outlier nvidia can lay claim to is the 580, in contrast to that AMD has the 6990 though. Besides the 580, AMD has nvidia matched/bested in every other category. It's those sort of beliefs that kept some buyers waiting seven months for fermi when they could of had DX11 and the same performance long before then. Even longer for those buyers who waited almost a year for the 460, when the 5850 was there to be had before that.
I bought two 5870s at launch. Then later I got some 480s. Neither company has my undying loyalty, and I'm certainly not enough of a sucker to believe a dead-end, failed proprietary standard like physx or twimtpb 'being for my good' is a reason to lock myself out of what is available to consumers.
Do I prefer to use AMD, sure. At least I am honest about my preferences. Rather than coming into every thread that doesn't sing the praises of my brand-master and crying over it, all the while claiming no fanboyism when it's as clear as pie on your face. I prefer to use AMD for the simple fact I don't like a company that comes into tech forums and viral-markets and deceives people. One that chooses to lock standard features of any game out of gamers hands who choose not to use their hardware.
As always it's laughable the way you can see the hardcore fanboys by their being mystified at someone owning nvidia hardware but not raining praise upon them. As if the two have to go hand in hand. I think they must be oblivious to the multitude of members here who use both or go back and forth.
I think AMD and nvidia being on performance parity these days is why we hear so much about worthless stuff like physx and twimtpb etc. Since there is no longer a clear performance disparity to market on, it's now become a matter of trying to highlight 'extras' and 'goodies'.
Same old story from the same old posters in this thread, like the other with that [H] Deusex review. Except this time it's; we don't want anyone to talk about nvidia and their history of poor ethics so let's talk about AMD or shoot the messenger - instead of; we don't want anyone to talk about AMD being faster in Deusex, so lets ramble on about the 580 none of us own and drivers.
Another thread polluted. I gave my opinion, clearly there cannot be a discussion here because the nvidia loyalists will keep screaming. Not to worry though, there is still the http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2185654&page=28 thread started about an article done by a credible review site highlighting the usual suspicious nvidia antics - an article with sentiments echoed by several other sites that also took a look at Crysis 2. I think there are still some lucid people in that thread that need to be shouted down with the 'it's for gamers' mantra.
Lets see it in a different way. Most reviewers receive their hardwares for free. Are they all being paid to write good things about the product given? Is there something wrong for a company to stop sending out goodies to reviewers who does reviews poorly? Note that by doing that, those reviewers will likely to bad mouth them. Worth it?
That about sums it up. :thumbsup:Yeah AMD is a saint!
In late 2009 all the roadmaps said Bulldozer will be on AM3 so tons of people bought AM3 boards with weak Phenom II's to tie them over to BD(like me, i have 2 AM3 systems in my house and one 1366 system). Then a year later AMD anounces oops sorry we lied but BD is going to be AM3+ now.
I dont know about you but a company that is spending money to HELP its customers get a better experiance with the hardware is better in my eyes than a company that lies to its customers to boost sales short term then screws them over later, and then screws them some more with a length delays of a chip that wont even work wirh the socket they originally announced.
The truth is no company is a saint, they ALL practice less than ethical practices at one point or another but at the end of the day they are there to make there shareholders money.
I will still buy AMD/Intel/Nvidia if at the time im going to purchase they offer the best bang for the buck in my price range. I gave up a long time ago caring at all about the practices the company uses because at the end of the day they are all guilty to one degree or another.
And for all of those still whining about the batman AA issue get REAL. If Nvidia paid for the programmers to add the AA and ATI declined to participate to add AA to their cards how can you blame them for locking out ATI cards? Nvidia is there to make Nvidia buyers happy, not do charity work for ATI. Nvidia made a CHOICE to give there gamers a better experiance in a AAA title since the developer decided AA was not worth the money. ATI also made a CHOICE, a choice to leave there gamers out in the cold, untill the media backlash became to great then the finally added AA to the later released edition. All of that would have been prevented if from the beggining ATI had decided to pay the cash instead of asking nvidia for a handout for AA code.
This is so off topic, but I'm going to address it a bit. I hope it doesn't drag the topic off too far, but it's been mentioned more than once already.
Do reviewers get paid to write good things? Well, sadly, they pretty much do. Not only do they get free equipment, but they get advertising. They can also get some special consideration for review equipment. Like 2x 590's or 6990's for crossfire/SLI reviews, or some other things. I've seen review sites get gear first because they have a policy of informing the supplier if they have any real issues and giving them a chance to fix it before they report it. Often, without the general public even knowing the issue existed. Etc.. etc...
In the end review sites are a marketing arm of the vendors. It's very cheap advertising.
NVidia 1 Customers 0 :thumbsdown:
Nvidia has created ridiculous brand fanaticism among users through their online word of mouth campaign, its pretty amazing. Even with evidence presented, some people take nvidias word as religion or something, better not say anything bad about them or else.
It's why would you give them credit for innovation? The answer is no -- there are already many, many articles about this from the Wall Street Journal to the AP, that disagree with you.
''....and will buy from them...''...LOL on using the word ''buy'' and even more LOL on Ati losing customers ''en masse''.Where do you get this stuff.People go back and forth between the two camps all the time...Or do you have links for this 'en masse' loss by ATi who you imply do less for their customers?I love their products, and I can clearly see that company does more for gaming and it's customers and I appreciate that and will buy from them because of that. Which is exactly why Nvidia does it. To be far better than any competition and get more customers to buy their products. That is simple business, and when you do less for your customers, you lose them. That is what is happening en-masse now I think.
Is there not anything that isn't a conspiracy?