Why does nvidia cheat so much?

[SickBeast]

You know what, in terms of "cheating", nVidia has been way worse than AMD, and that's a fact.

nVidia's trolls will come out and say that AMD had a corrupt relationship with Valve with respect to Half Life 2, however the fact of the matter remains that they were programming to a universal standard, Direct X.

nVidia has time and time again developed closed and proprietary standards, and they have repeatedly tried to force them upon the industry. CUDA, PhysX, and C for Graphics all come to mind. AMD has not engaged in that type of gibberish.

 

[SickBeast]

To directly answer the OP's question:

$$$$$$$ and greed.

 

[SickBeast]

/thread

 

[SirPauly]

Even AMD offers that Cuda offered some positives, but not the ones with vile and venom:

I also have to give kudos to Nvidia for coming out with CUDA and pushing the whole GPGPU market in a certain direction.

 

[Seero]

Kid A: "Thank you Santa."
Santa: "Ho Ho Ho."
Kid B: "Hey why don't I get no toy?"
Jack: "Because Santa takes away your toy and keep it for himself, or for the kids he likes."
Kid B: "That is not fair, that is cheating!"
Kid A: "that is a lie, we get toys because we are good kids."
Kid B: "BS! You are not good, you are just a pawn. Santa use you! He is a blood sucking monster!"
Jack: "My toys are as good as Santa's, except all the parts that they cheated upon."
Kid B: "See, we have toys too!"
Kid A: "You do know that is a died frog right?"
Kid B: "That is open standard!"

Kid A: "That, is your standard."
Kid B: "Well what toys you get? It isn't a toy, it is a cheap candy!"

Kid A: "Ahh, that is what I have in my left head, the living green flog is the toy, it hops!"
Kid B: "It hops because Santa cheated! Why does Santa cheat such much?"

"Kid A: "May be you should stop listen to Richard H... Jack so much."
"Kid B: "Those are facts! Facts facts facts!"
.....

 

[NIGELG]

Kid A: "Thank you Santa."
Santa: "Ho Ho Ho."
Kid B: "Hey why don't I get no toy?"
Jack: "Because Santa takes away your toy and keep it for himself, or for the kids he likes."
Kid B: "That is not fair, that is cheating!"
Kid A: "that is a lie, we get toys because we are good kids."
Kid B: "BS! You are not good, you are just a pawn. Santa use you! He is a blood sucking monster!"
Jack: "My toys are as good as Santa's, except all the parts that they cheated upon."
Kid B: "See, we have toys too!"
Kid A: "You do know that is a died frog right?"
Kid B: "That is open standard!"

Kid A: "That, is your standard."
Kid B: "Well what toys you get? It isn't a toy, it is a cheap candy!"

Kid A: "Ahh, that is what I have in my left head, the living green flog is the toy, it hops!"
Kid B: "It hops because Santa cheated! Why does Santa cheat such much?"

"Kid A: "May be you should stop listen to Richard H... Jack so much."
"Kid B: "Those are facts! Facts facts facts!"
.....

Don't quit your day job.

 

[Rifter]

nVidia's trolls will come out and say that AMD had a corrupt relationship with Valve with respect to Half Life 2, however the fact of the matter remains that they were programming to a universal standard, Direct X.

DirectX is NOT a open standard. Open GL is an open standard.

 

[blastingcap]

Kid A: "Thank you Santa."
Santa: "Ho Ho Ho."
Kid B: "Hey why don't I get no toy?"
Jack: "Because Santa takes away your toy and keep it for himself, or for the kids he likes."
Kid B: "That is not fair, that is cheating!"
Kid A: "that is a lie, we get toys because we are good kids."
Kid B: "BS! You are not good, you are just a pawn. Santa use you! He is a blood sucking monster!"
Jack: "My toys are as good as Santa's, except all the parts that they cheated upon."
Kid B: "See, we have toys too!"
Kid A: "You do know that is a died frog right?"
Kid B: "That is open standard!"

Kid A: "That, is your standard."
Kid B: "Well what toys you get? It isn't a toy, it is a cheap candy!"

Kid A: "Ahh, that is what I have in my left head, the living green flog is the toy, it hops!"
Kid B: "It hops because Santa cheated! Why does Santa cheat such much?"

"Kid A: "May be you should stop listen to Richard H... Jack so much."
"Kid B: "Those are facts! Facts facts facts!"
.....

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[Keysplayr]

You may find this link helpful:

http://www.learnenglish.de/

Did it occur to you that this might be insulting to the person it was intended for?

 

[Seero]

Don't quit your day job.

Explain.

You may find this link helpful:

http://www.learnenglish.de/

What I don't understand is, why do people think they are qualified to criticize when they can't even understand something that any people with grade 6 or high education would understand?

If you really think that English is the problem there, then you may want to come up with something better.

 

[NIGELG]

Explain.

.

It means don't quit your day job to pursue a career as a comedian.

 

[SirPauly]

The analogy was there though.

It seems if nVidia does something for their customers it is demonized by some because it doesn't improve the experience for AMD's customers. This idea it has to improve everyone or don't do it all is odd, so, one is forced to wait based on that thinking.

 

[96Firebird]

/thread

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Like you have any power on these forums, or over anyone. I love when people do this, gives me a good laugh... ^_^

 

[NoQuarter]

The analogy was there though.

It seems if nVidia does something for their customers it is demonized by some because it doesn't improve the experience for AMD's customers. This idea it has to improve everyone or don't do it all is odd, so, one is forced to wait based on that thinking.

Well if we're making oversimplified, terrible analogies..


Santa: "Here Kid A, this action figure also has a more unrealistic jumping motion!"
Kid A: "That seems cool! Hey Kid B check this out!"
Santa: "NO! DO NOT SHARE THAT TOY WITH KID B. IT WILL BREAK IF KID B TOUCHES IT!"

Kid B: "But Kid A used to share toys with me all the time.. and I still share my toys with him."
Santa: "MY TOYS ARE NO LONGER COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR TOYS KID B. THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY TO IMPLEMENT OUR PROPRIETARY UNREALISTIC JUMPING MOTION."
Kid B: "But I can clearly see they're still compatible..."

Jack: "It's ok Kid B. We've added some other features to our action figures like extra-wide grasping arms and UltraMode 11, and you can share them with Kid A."
Santa: "I'VE ADDED THOSE TOO NOW. BUT MY ULTRAMODE 11 IS MADE FROM HEAVIER PLASTIC THAT MY FIGURES CAN BARELY HOLD, AND HOPEFULLY YOURS CANNOT. AND MY EXTRA-WIDE GRASPING ARMS REQUIRES 2 ACTION FIGURES LOCKED TOGETHER."

Santa: "ALSO IF I CATCH YOU PLAYING WITH ANY OF KID B'S TOYS I WILL BREAK ALL THE TOYS I EVER GAVE YOU."
Kid A: "Thanks Santa!"
Kid B: "..."

 

[SirPauly]

I guess it depends on how some feel about Santa!

 

[JSt0rm]

I have to say the whole rollo thing really turned me off of nvidia. I have very rarely said "oh I'm not going to buy from this company or that" because of something they di. I feel in that position right now. I wont buy nvidia because of how they wanted to viral market to use here on the forums. AMD keeping pace with nvidia for the last couple of years hasnt made my choice a difficult one. Would I buy nvidia again? Maybe. But there would have to be such a performance gap that it would just be foolish to buy amd at the point I am in the market. I really dont see that happening.

 

[SirPauly]

Imho,

I had a talk with Rollo at Rage3d about trying to bend, be diplomatic or he was on the road of getting banned there. A focus member really should try to discuss the pros and cons of nVidia's strengths and weaknesses to me, imho. If it is all glory and pom-pom's, posters may tune you out and they don't learn anything or a message may be perceived as just PR talk with just PR substance.

I think the focus group is a good idea -- as long as it is noted and no one is going behind the gamers back because it is good to know what the IHV's point of view is and also nice to know you can voice a view or ask a question and one can help.

One can disagree, be vocal but the best kinds of views for me are the ones that are constructive in nature.

Gamers in forums don't desire to be PR'd so-to-speak. This is their haven, their sharing of views with each other.

 

[NIGELG]

Imho,

I had a talk with Rollo at Rage3d about trying to bend, be diplomatic or he was on the road of getting banned there. A focus member really should try to discuss the pros and cons of nVidia's strengths and weaknesses to me, imho. If it is all glory and pom-pom's, posters may tune you out and they don't learn anything or a message may be perceived as just PR talk with just PR substance.

I think the focus group is a good idea -- as long as it is noted and no one is going behind the gamers back because it is good to know what the IHV's point of view is and also nice to know you can voice a view or ask a question and one can help.

One can disagree, be vocal but the best kinds of views for me are the ones that are constructive in nature.

Gamers in forums don't desire to be PR'd so-to-speak. This is their haven, their sharing of views with each other.

Which Focus Group member has ever talked about Nvidia cons?

 

[mosox]

A shill, plant or stooge is a person who helps a person or organization without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) that he or she is secretly working for. The person or group that hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by confidence artists. Plant and stooge more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he or she is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization (see double agent).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

Nvidia used shills and still does it. They introduced the requirement for their Focus members to disclose their association with the group only after they've been called out on it.

http://consumerist.com/2006/02/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products.html


Nvidia who knows their online activity in the field does not enforce this disclosure even today, most of the Focus members do not specify it.

 

[Silverforce11]

Business is war.

 

[Will Robinson]

Which Focus Group member has ever talked about Nvidia cons?

QFT...however...as expected....<crickets>

 

[Mistwalker]

Imho,

I had a talk with Rollo at Rage3d about trying to bend, be diplomatic or he was on the road of getting banned there. A focus member really should try to discuss the pros and cons of nVidia's strengths and weaknesses to me, imho. If it is all glory and pom-pom's, posters may tune you out and they don't learn anything or a message may be perceived as just PR talk with just PR substance.

I think the focus group is a good idea -- as long as it is noted and no one is going behind the gamers back because it is good to know what the IHV's point of view is and also nice to know you can voice a view or ask a question and one can help.

One can disagree, be vocal but the best kinds of views for me are the ones that are constructive in nature.

Gamers in forums don't desire to be PR'd so-to-speak. This is their haven, their sharing of views with each other.

Well said.

 

[amenx]

I have to say the whole rollo thing really turned me off of nvidia. I have very rarely said "oh I'm not going to buy from this company or that" because of something they di. I feel in that position right now. I wont buy nvidia because of how they wanted to viral market to use here on the forums. AMD keeping pace with nvidia for the last couple of years hasnt made my choice a difficult one. Would I buy nvidia again? Maybe. But there would have to be such a performance gap that it would just be foolish to buy amd at the point I am in the market. I really dont see that happening.

What CPU do you have?

 

[JSt0rm]

What CPU do you have?

intel.

 

[amenx]

intel.

So Intels practices were not enough to disuade you from purchasing their hardware, but Nvidias are. Got it. :sneaky: