Why does the iphone not sell more than androids in the Western world?

zaza

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In terms of performance, the iphone wipes the floor with any android.

1- iphones have a realtime operating system that is far smoother and far more responsive than android.

2- iphones have superior CPU+GPU than androids. Apple concentrates on single-core power which is the ONLY thing that matters in real-world performance. And their single core performance blows androids away (plus they always have a superior GPU than android flagships)

3- iphones have the metal api which makes games run infinitely smoother than on androids.

4- iphone apps have primary developer support and optimization, especially games, whereas android is an afterthought for most devs since more than 90% (maybe 99%) of android users pirate all the apps.

Now here's the thing, android phone manufaturers try to use marketing gimmicks such more cores and greater clock speeds to get people to buy. It's been said time and again that more than 2 CPU cores on either androids or iphones make absolutely ZERO difference on performance. It's also been said that higher clock speeds are misleading because they are not thermally feasible, it means the android phone will throttle more than the iphone, for example an android at 2.5 GHz will drop to 900MHz in a few minutes whereas an iphone at 1.4 GHz will drop to 1000 MHz so the drop in performance will be much more severe and noticeable on an android.
I recall the head of Qualcomm once made fun of Samsung for putting so many extra cores in their phones, claiming that more cores made no difference. Then Qualcomm came out with the octacore 810 themselves. Why? Because they found out that while customers in the West were most concerned about a phone's external features (such as screen size and camera) Chinese customers were demanding more cores in their phones.
Now ok, I get that third world people in India and China are not capable of learning that more cores does not mean more performance since they tend to have low education rates and low national IQs (no offence), but how come people in the West don't care about having an iphone which they know has better performance? Is it just for the "more for less" cheap prices? Cause I understand iphones are more expensive. But if you had the money why would you buy an android flagship instead of the newest iphone?
 
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lxskllr

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Because Apple hates freedom. I'd pay $1k for android before I'd take a free iPhone.
 

mrochester

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As above, £££. Lots and lots of people either don't want to or can't afford to spend the sort of money that's required to own an iPhone.
 

mnewsham

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As above, £££. Lots and lots of people either don't want to or can't afford to spend the sort of money that's required to own an iPhone.

or even if they do have the money to spend on a smartphone they want a device that is more open and allows for more customization than the iPhone allows, not to mention the app ecosystem for apple tends to be a bit more restrictive.
 

mrochester

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or even if they do have the money to spend on a smartphone they want a device that is more open and allows for more customization than the iPhone allows, not to mention the app ecosystem for apple tends to be a bit more restrictive.

Incorrect. Apple would sell no smartphones if that's what people wanted.
 

zaza

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or even if they do have the money to spend on a smartphone they want a device that is more open and allows for more customization than the iPhone allows, not to mention the app ecosystem for apple tends to be a bit more restrictive.

you mean samsung's new Exynos phones are open and allow for customization? I thought they had no custom roms, no dev support, no sd card, no removable battery, etc...
 
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mnewsham

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you mean samsung's new Exynos phones are open and allow for customization? I thought they had no custom roms, no dev support (exynos), no sd card, no removable battery, etc...

There are far more choices for android besides samsung, if you want a more locked down android phone and dont care about ALL the customization, but still prefer the android ecosytem, the samsung galaxy devices are fantastic, premium design, high end specs, etc.

But you also have HTC, Moto, LG, Etc. there are any number of android phones you can choose from. This is what we call the freedom of choice which just isn't happening with apple. You either get THIS iphone or THIS one, and they are both the same basic phone, one just might have slightly better specs if its a more recent model.


At the end of the day, you can't deny there is FAR more choice when it comes to android.
 

mrochester

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There are far more choices for android besides samsung, if you want a more locked down android phone and dont care about ALL the customization, but still prefer the android ecosytem, the samsung galaxy devices are fantastic, premium design, high end specs, etc.

But you also have HTC, Moto, LG, Etc. there are any number of android phones you can choose from. This is what we call the freedom of choice which just isn't happening with apple. You either get THIS iphone or THIS one, and they are both the same basic phone, one just might have slightly better specs if its a more recent model.


At the end of the day, you can't deny there is FAR more choice when it comes to android.

The iPhone is but one choice out of an enormous array of different options.
 
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IPhones don't even come close to customization options that are provided by android. Period.

Majority of People don't buy iPhone because it have great performance, etc. They buy it for brand name that's all.

For everything else including customizations, openness, options etc there is android. Even for developers and power users nothing come close to android flexibility.

So, you spend that kind of money on iPhone because you want the brand name. IPhone eco system is preety much closed. There is nothing much you can do about it.

And please don't compare the performance of Rs10,000 android with Rs60,000 iPhone.
Performance, multitasking and power wise high end androids beats iPhone at half the price. Get your facts right.
Ram is most important for multi tasking. It's now that apple have provided 2GB ram from 1GB in iPhone 5S. While androids are providing 3-4GB from long before.

Also, you want to say that quad cores and octa cores in the same generation are worse than dual cores? Try converting or editing a video on a mobile. And you would know what a huge difference it makes to have a quad core or octa core over dual core in the same generation.
 
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Commodus

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Because Apple hates freedom. I'd pay $1k for android before I'd take a free iPhone.

Ah, the great myth: that most people choose Android because it's a more open platform.

The boring truth is that most don't consider that flexibility at all. They get the Android phone because it had the biggest screen, because it was the cheapest device that met their needs, or because that was what the store rep was told to push that day.

Besides, the only meaningful freedom coming from a device is what it lets you do in real life. I'd say an iPhone user protesting oppressive laws is eminently more free than an Android fan staying at home tinkering with the latest AOSP or CyanogenMod build. (Note: I'm not stereotyping, just showing the disjunction between real and theoretical freedom.) There are certainly things you can do on Android that might help you a bit more, but I doubt that iPhone users fighting for regime change in Tunisia were really hampered by their inability to change browser defaults.
 
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Ah, the great myth: that most people choose Android because it's a more open platform.

The boring truth is that most don't consider that flexibility at all. They get the Android phone because it had the biggest screen, because it was the cheapest device that met their needs, or because that was what the store rep was told to push that day.

Besides, the only meaningful freedom coming from a device is what it lets you do in real life. I'd say an iPhone user protesting oppressive laws is eminently more free than an Android fan staying at home tinkering with the latest AOSP or CyanogenMod build. (Note: I'm not stereotyping, just showing the disjunction between real and theoretical freedom.) There are certainly things you can do on Android that might help you a bit more, but I doubt that iPhone users fighting for regime change in Tunisia were really hampered by their inability to change browser defaults.

Ah the boring generic comment from a iPhone user. I will give you a very simple example of what kind of obvious/basic things you can't do with iPhone.
Bluetooth transfer cannot be done on any other phone except iPhone itself. Now, how stupid is that?
Enjoy your iphone. A stupid smartphone!
 

Commodus

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And please don't compare the performance of Rs10,000 android with Rs60,000 iPhone.
Performance, multitasking and power wise high end androids beats iPhone at half the price. Get your facts right.
Ram is most important for multi tasking. It's now that apple have provided 2GB ram from 1GB in iPhone 5S. While androids are providing 3-4GB from long before.

Also, you want to say that quad cores and octa cores in the same generation are worse than dual cores? Try converting or editing a video on a mobile. And you would know what a huge difference it makes to have a quad core or octa core over dual core in the same generation.

False claims ahoy!

Show me an Android phone costing half as much as an iPhone 6s that outperforms it. Go on, I'll wait. Oh, that's right... you can't, because you just pulled that claim out of thin air. Even a $399 Moto X Pure, as good as it is, will have its clock cleaned by a $649 iPhone 6s.

RAM is important for multitasking, but it's not the only thing. Android and iOS have different resource demands, and the advantages of more RAM on Android aren't as big as you're pretending they are. Just ask Galaxy S6 fans how much that 3GB of RAM helps when the phone is closing apps more aggressively than an iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM.

A dual-core iPhone 6s can edit 4K smoothly, like it's no big deal. I'm sure the latest Android phones can, too, but that's the point: you've been taken in by the "more cores are always better" line. Parallelism does help sometimes, but it's not an automatic guarantee of better performance in multithreaded tasks. It ultimately boils down to the amount of work that you get done per clock, not the number of workers you have.
 

gorcorps

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Simply put, it doesn't matter if it's smoother and more polished... If I don't like the OS and UI then I'll look elsewhere.

IPhone is a solid choice that I ran for several years. Maybe some day I'll go back, but right now I like what I can get out of Android more.
 

luv2liv

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You must be trolling. Company gave us iPhones, I told the cto to give us something better.
ITunes was utter crap n was needed to do stuff back then. No memory expansion, can't depend on cloud. Can't transfer huge files on the go. No file management. Was very picky which video or audio file that people can play. Came only in 1 small size and claim 3.5 inches was the perfect size. What a joke that was
 

StrangerGuy

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Ah the boring generic comment from a iPhone user. I will give you a very simple example of what kind of obvious/basic things you can't do with iPhone.
Bluetooth transfer cannot be done on any other phone except iPhone itself. Now, how stupid is that?
Enjoy your iphone. A stupid smartphone!

Hey look, an Apple hater. How very original.

I'm sure your all-powerful Android phone is able to run iOS and the iOS exclusive apps too...Oh wait.
 

mmntech

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Same reason most people in the western world don't own Samsung Galaxies. They're flagship phones, and have high up front costs even on contract.
 

ControlD

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Simply put, it doesn't matter if it's smoother and more polished... If I don't like the OS and UI then I'll look elsewhere.

IPhone is a solid choice that I ran for several years. Maybe some day I'll go back, but right now I like what I can get out of Android more.

Exactly.

I have an Android phone because I prefer the OS and UI. It really isn't that complicated. I think the iPhone is an awesome device, it just isn't for me at this time. To each their own. Not sure why the OP has such a hard time grasping such a simple concept.
 

linkgoron

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I'm quite happy with my Z3c. It cost me 400$, and with my existing 64GB SD-Card which I used with my previous phone, I've got plenty of space. my Z3c cost me 400$, while an iphone 6 (at the time the equivalent iphone) with the same amount of storage would have cost me ~750$.

I also really like the fact that I can just connect my phone to the PC and transfer files, no need for iTunes and other crap, ~2 days of battery life with moderate usage and the phone is quite snappy. Would an iphone be faster? maybe. Is an iPhone better? maybe. However, I'm very happy with my z3c, which cost me ~half of what an iPhone would cost me.

My next upgrade will be an xperia compact that has a snapdragon 820.
 
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