Why does the iphone not sell more than androids in the Western world?

[Aristotelian]

I think it's funny in a way. It's usually Apple fans that think they distinguish their product purchases because they buy something better - but my Sony Vaio Z series mopped the floor with any Apple laptop (a shame it's a defunct line); my Sony Xperia Z3 mopped the floor with Apple in battery life comparisons, and my colleagues who bought Apple 6 or 6+ and had to carry around ridiculous usb battery packs with their phones were a laughing stock.

And I don't even need to get into simple things - I have a 128 gigabyte sd card in my Z3.

For people like me, it's certainly not about money, it's not about Apple or not, it's about buying the best product for me, irrespective of money. And there seem to be quite a few people like me in Europe (specifically Germany, Belgium, and the United Kingdom).

 

[shortylickens]

In terms of performance, the iphone wipes the floor with any android.

1- iphones have a realtime operating system that is far smoother and far more responsive than android.

2- iphones have superior CPU+GPU than androids. Apple concentrates on single-core power which is the ONLY thing that matters in real-world performance. And their single core performance blows androids away (plus they always have a superior GPU than android flagships)

3- iphones have the metal api which makes games run infinitely smoother than on androids.

4- iphone apps have primary developer support and optimization, especially games, whereas android is an afterthought for most devs since more than 90% (maybe 99%) of android users pirate all the apps.

Now here's the thing, android phone manufaturers try to use marketing gimmicks such more cores and greater clock speeds to get people to buy. It's been said time and again that more than 2 CPU cores on either androids or iphones make absolutely ZERO difference on performance. It's also been said that higher clock speeds are misleading because they are not thermally feasible, it means the android phone will throttle more than the iphone, for example an android at 2.5 GHz will drop to 900MHz in a few minutes whereas an iphone at 1.4 GHz will drop to 1000 MHz so the drop in performance will be much more severe and noticeable on an android.
I recall the head of Qualcomm once made fun of Samsung for putting so many extra cores in their phones, claiming that more cores made no difference. Then Qualcomm came out with the octacore 810 themselves. Why? Because they found out that while customers in the West were most concerned about a phone's external features (such as screen size and camera) Chinese customers were demanding more cores in their phones.
Now ok, I get that third world people in India and China are not capable of learning that more cores does not mean more performance since they tend to have low education rates and low national IQs (no offence), but how come people in the West don't care about having an iphone which they know has better performance? Is it just for the "more for less" cheap prices? Cause I understand iphones are more expensive. But if you had the money why would you buy an android flagship instead of the newest iphone?

The only way to get that superior performance is to buy a new phone every six months.


Do you realize you could have bought health insurance with that money?

 

[sweenish]

And do you realize OP borked their entire PC because they were told to replace system *.dll's to get a game working?

OP is a troll, they have no technical knowledge, and this whole thread is bait.

People will use what they want, and then defend it to the death because heaven forbid the fact that they like a thing is enough. No, it has to be the best, because we're not stupid with our money, ever.

iOS frustrates me. Android doesn't. I may switch to WP10. Who cares? Seriously, who cares?

 

[Aristotelian]

And do you realize OP borked their entire PC because they were told to replace system *.dll's to get a game working?

OP is a troll, they have no technical knowledge, and this whole thread is bait.

People will use what they want, and then defend it to the death because heaven forbid the fact that they like a thing is enough. No, it has to be the best, because we're not stupid with our money, ever.

iOS frustrates me. Android doesn't. I may switch to WP10. Who cares? Seriously, who cares?

I'm not sure, to be honest. I find patterns like this:

I go out and eat with some colleagues of mine and we put our cell phones on the table in case an urgent call comes in. Some spot my Z3. Apple users begin mocking me stating that their iPhone 6 is vastly superior, and I point out that I value the battery life in mine and do not play any games on my phone (some of them are addicted to Sim City it seems). Also that mine is waterproof, which has come in handy.

I never have conversations like this with Samsung users - most of whom ask me 'Hey, how do you find that Sony?' and do not froth at the mouth to try to tell me that their phone is better than mine.

There's friendly ribbing with Blackberry users.

In short - I don't care what other people buy. I do care when I'm surrounded by people using a "good" product who insist that everyone recognise it as "the best", and this happens a lot with Apple users where I am, who I think honestly buy into a status symbol mentality.

And these are people earning more than (net) 150k USD each per annum - I find it incredible that such a cheap hobby becomes a status symbol.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'm not sure how it does not sell more, I always figured it did like 10 fold. A new iphone comes out and the masses line up for it. You never see that for android phones. Heck, if you don't have an iphone, to most people, you don't even have a smart phone. Most people don't even realize there is more than just the iphone.

 

[boosh]

used the first android phone i believe it was the G1? After that I was iphone all the way till this year where I was on the note 4.

Hated the experience.. I was always looking for a better texting app, emailing app, web browser so on..

Whats funny is all the most popular apps are the apps that replicate iphones.. And they always never work 100%.

Textra always failed to send pics in group texts. my web browser will always force close few times a day. Using different launchers I wouldnt be able to get certain features to work properly ie: notification counters. Too many dam ads too for all these apps.. ridiculous.

Glad i switched back to an iphone..

 

[mnewsham]

Too many dam ads too

not using an adblocker?

Guess you didn't really embrace the openness of android much huh...?

 

[slackerinabox]

and my colleagues who bought Apple 6 or 6+ and had to carry around ridiculous usb battery packs with their phones were a laughing stock.
.

Do you really laugh at people over requiring a usb battery pack? That makes you a juvenile piece of shit and your opinion invalid.

 

[mnewsham]

Do you really laugh at people over requiring a usb battery pack? That makes you a juvenile piece of shit and your opinion invalid.

Yeah not sure why someone carrying a battery pack makes them a laughing stock, anyone in IT who DOESNT have a battery pack is a bit of a laughing stock in my mind. A battery pack is indispensable and can charge any number of devices.

 

[ControlD]

I'm not sure, to be honest. I find patterns like this:

I go out and eat with some colleagues of mine and we put our cell phones on the table in case an urgent call comes in. Some spot my Z3. Apple users begin mocking me stating that their iPhone 6 is vastly superior, and I point out that I value the battery life in mine and do not play any games on my phone (some of them are addicted to Sim City it seems). Also that mine is waterproof, which has come in handy.

This seriously happen in real life? I thought these things only occurred on internet forums.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Do you really laugh at people over requiring a usb battery pack? That makes you a juvenile piece of shit and your opinion invalid.

In short - I don't care what other people buy.

and my colleagues who bought Apple 6 or 6+ and had to carry around ridiculous usb battery packs with their phones were a laughing stock.

For somebody who claims about how he doesn't care about others, he seems to do the opposite.

 

[cholley]

the OP is invalid, android is an OS, not a device
android, is deployed on various platforms, with varying functionality, you cant really compare a $25 low end phone to an iphone

 

[ThisIsChrisKim]

My link contradicts everything this fool spewed out of his mouth.

Why would this guy post on an Anandtech message board if he doesn't intent on reading the Anandtech articles?

 

[Aristotelian]

For somebody who claims about how he doesn't care about others, he seems to do the opposite.

Your attempt at nitpicking is misguided. I refer to a set of people believing that their IPhone 6 is superior, yet needs a battery pack to survive as long as my Z3 in the same work environment. It renders their belief set a laughing stock and therefore them, when it comes to technological superiority.

Feel free to try again, and recognise I was making an apples to apples comparison within my industry. As to the profanity, that also undermines any point made.

 

[Oyeve]

I'm not sure, to be honest. I find patterns like this:

I go out and eat with some colleagues of mine and we put our cell phones on the table in case an urgent call comes in. Some spot my Z3. Apple users begin mocking me stating that their iPhone 6 is vastly superior, and I point out that I value the battery life in mine and do not play any games on my phone (some of them are addicted to Sim City it seems). Also that mine is waterproof, which has come in handy.

I never have conversations like this with Samsung users - most of whom ask me 'Hey, how do you find that Sony?' and do not froth at the mouth to try to tell me that their phone is better than mine.

There's friendly ribbing with Blackberry users.

In short - I don't care what other people buy. I do care when I'm surrounded by people using a "good" product who insist that everyone recognise it as "the best", and this happens a lot with Apple users where I am, who I think honestly buy into a status symbol mentality.

And these are people earning more than (net) 150k USD each per annum - I find it incredible that such a cheap hobby becomes a status symbol.

Yeah, I get this a lot. I too have a Z3 as a work phone and a Note 4 as my personal phone. The iphone users always comment and both and I just look at them with bewilderment. I always ask why they feel the need to even comment on my devices. They are tools, The devices, not the users) for me to do my job and to enjoy my life. Its not a critical part of either. But, taking pics in the water at the beach this past summer with my Z3 was pretty cool!

 

[mrochester]

Your attempt at nitpicking is misguided. I refer to a set of people believing that their IPhone 6 is superior, yet needs a battery pack to survive as long as my Z3 in the same work environment. It renders their belief set a laughing stock and therefore them, when it comes to technological superiority.

Feel free to try again, and recognise I was making an apples to apples comparison within my industry. As to the profanity, that also undermines any point made.

I wouldn't call battery life the point that makes the iPhone superior to your Z3. I would say iOS is what makes the iPhone a superior smartphone.

 

[ultimatebob]

One of the reasons why Apple phones seem faster and more reliable than their Android counterparts is because Apple doesn't allow the device carriers to pollute them with bloatware.

I had the same problem with my last two Android phones. They worked great initially, and then they both got a bad software update from Verizon that screwed it up. I haven't had that problem with my iPhone 6, thankfully.

That's not really Android's fault, but has more to do with the weak negotiation power that the other cell phone manufacturers have with the carriers. My old Nexus 7 has a stock version of Android, and most of the OS updates have been trouble free.

 

[Raduque]

Most people don't want to spend money on a phone. They go to Boost or Cricket or whatever. $50 buys you a low-end Android or $200 for the low-end iPhone.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

One of the reasons why Apple phones seem faster and more reliable than their Android counterparts is because Apple doesn't allow the device carriers to pollute them with bloatware.

I had the same problem with my last two Android phones. They worked great initially, and then they both got a bad software update from Verizon that screwed it up. I haven't had that problem with my iPhone 6, thankfully.

That's not really Android's fault, but has more to do with the weak negotiation power that the other cell phone manufacturers have with the carriers. My old Nexus 7 has a stock version of Android, and most of the OS updates have been trouble free.

Nope. I've had a nexus phone and moto G with more or less stock. Android is still buggy, laggy and an unfinished product (if Windows released like this MS would be out of business in a week). Google prefers to pump in more features rather than fixing what's already there. Unfortunately I just dislike iOS more, for different reasons.

 

[sweenish]

This generalization is not correct. Unless Apple's 13 million day one units are a lie. Or Verizon isn't the largest carrier in the US.

But then again, it fits in with this thread.

 

[StrangerGuy]

This generalization is not correct. Unless Apple's 13 million day one units are a lie. Or Verizon isn't the largest carrier in the US.

But then again, it fits in with this thread.

Like somebody said earlier, if you compare Android vs Apple at the $600+ bracket worldwide and the results won't look remotely flattering for Android.

BTW here's an interesting analysis of the profitability of Android vs Apple - https://theoverspill.wordpress.com/...ts-the-wall-the-q2-2015-smartphone-scorecard/

 

[zoiks]

Like somebody said earlier, if you compare Android vs Apple at the $600+ bracket worldwide and the results won't look remotely flattering for Android.

BTW here's an interesting analysis of the profitability of Android vs Apple - https://theoverspill.wordpress.com/...ts-the-wall-the-q2-2015-smartphone-scorecard/

Who gives a flying fuck about profits? Is Apple sharing any of that with you? Do profits alone make a good phone. Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.
Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

 

[catinthefurnace]

Who gives a flying fuck about profits? Is Apple sharing any of that with you? Do profits alone make a good phone. Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.
Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

Do you have a conscience? Recklessly spreading false information hurts everyone.

Change 10% of it? So you are saying that it is 90% the same? You are absolutely incorrect. I would be shocked if the 6s shared even 10% of the parts with the 6.

That kind of blows your "not having to remake most components" price advantage theory into dust, doesn't it?

Please, for the sake of all, think before you post. Not just about the content, but also about the other people that have to deal with you.

 

[Commodus]

Who gives a flying fuck about profits? Is Apple sharing any of that with you? Do profits alone make a good phone. Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.

Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

Profits matter in that it keeps your manufacturer around for the long haul. I'm still amused by the folks who argue that companies should run themselves into the ground trying to offer the lowest price possible. Profits shouldn't be egregious, to be sure, but driving companies out of business isn't healthy either. Just ask all the Windows PC vendors that either quit or scaled back their businesses because they listened too closely to the "price is all that matters" camp.

Also, let's go over what Apple changed in the iPhone 6s, shall we?

- faster processor
- double the RAM
- tougher aluminum
- stronger glass
- 12MP rear camera with 4K video
- 5MP front camera
- faster Touch ID
- pressure-sensitive touch display
- Taptic Engine (basically, haptic feedback that's much nicer than usual)
- faster LTE
- faster WiFi

Sure sounds like more than 10 percent to me. Don't confuse a familiar look with a lack of new features!

 

[catinthefurnace]

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