Question Why does the overall gaming GPU market treat AMD like they have AIDS?

[VirtualLarry]

I guess I get the (sub-liminal) "The way it's meant to be played" ads from NVidia, along with the recurring FUD tropes about "AMD drivers", but I honestly don't get the sales disparity, especially for the price.

I've owned both NVidia-powered as well as AMD powered GPUs, and IMHO, AMD is (generally) just as good. Maybe 99% as good.

Edit: And I think that there's something to be said about the viability of AMD technologies, when they're in both major console brands.

 

[The red spirit]

You should work on your manners. Joining a forum and being argumentative with everyone isn't going to win you friends. Maybe you don't want friends and that's fine, but at least try to be a bit more civil.

Basically what happened here:
I tell shortcomings of AMD software in detail
Get tons of unsolicited advice that I never asked for nor particularly wanted to hear
Get trolled
Get lectured about whatever

I seriously wonder why this thread exists, if one can't even post anything negative about AMD without whole forum's backlash.

Radeon Chill works as advertised for me. What fps min and max are you using with it? Do you have a freesync monitor?

No Freesync, tried 60 60. There are massive stutters every time it switches from 60 to unlimited. Tried in UT 2004, becasue it's easy to get tons of fps there. Some years ago I tried it in CoD MW and basically had exactly the same stuttering problem.

 

[Thunder 57]

Basically what happened here:
I tell shortcomings of AMD software in detail
Get tons of unsolicited advice that I never asked for nor particularly wanted to hear
Get trolled
Get lectured about whatever

I seriously wonder why this thread exists, if one can't even post anything negative about AMD without whole forum's backlash.


No Freesync, tried 60 60. There are massive stutters every time it switches from 60 to unlimited. Tried in UT 2004, because it's easy to get tons of fps there. Some years ago I tried it in CoD MW and basically had exactly the same stuttering problem.

Did you mean 60 160? Because 60 60 would obviously be stupid and do nothing. I had it set to 60-170, but changed it to 80-170 since it does take a very small amount of time to ramp up the clocks and it seems smoother.

Also, it sounds like you need freesync to use chill.

1. Requires a monitor and AMD Radeon™ graphics, both with FreeSync™ support. See www.amd.com/freesync for complete details. Confirm capability with your system manufacturer before purchase. GD-127

From here.

 

[Hitman928]

Did you mean 60 160? Because 60 60 would obviously be stupid and do nothing. I had it set to 60-170, but changed it to 80-170 since it does take a very small amount of time to ramp up the clocks and it seems smoother.

Also, it sounds like you need freesync to use chill.



From here.

You don't need freesync to use chill, the note mentions a freesync monitor being needed because it is answering a FAQ about chill working with freesync. With that said, if you don't have freesync, you will for sure have screen tearing which could easily appear as stuttering, or even cause stuttering if you have are trying to force vsync on as well or something. I've never had an issue with chill, it has always worked really well for me but I'm not sure I would try to use it without a freesync monitor because of the tearing it would cause.

 

[Thunder 57]

You don't need freesync to use chill, the note mentions a freesync monitor being needed because it is answering a FAQ about chill working with freesync. With that said, if you don't have freesync, you will for sure have screen tearing which could easily appear as stuttering, or even cause stuttering if you have are trying to force vsync on as well or something. I've never had an issue with chill, it has always worked really well for me but I'm not sure I would try to use it without a freesync monitor because of the tearing it would cause.

Thanks for the explanation. I thought it may work without freesync but I wouldn't want to try it without. I wasn't sure if it would result in input lag or tearing as you said or something else, I just figured it wouldn't be optimal.

 

[Leeea]

Open YT video, enable geek menu and turn on task manager, that's all. Watch GPU decoder load and CPU load. CPU shouldn't be loaded much if GPU HW decoding is in use.

Appears to work for me.

Seems to have 3 video decoders, but only uses Video Codec 0.

VP9 bullshit never worked and obviously doesn't work now either.

yes, vp9 decoding does not work on rx500 series.

But if I am reading the above picture correctly, it works now.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Someone put this thread out of its misery

 

[Thunder 57]

Someone put this thread out of its misery

Just because you don't like it or AMD cards apparently doesn't mean there isn't useful information in here.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

It does work correctly undervolted or not. Even without undervolt Radeon Chill stutters badly and is unusable. RIS doesn't apply to all games or majority of games. I already tested that and retested today, still nonfunctional.

Radeon Chill works as advertised for me. What fps min and max are you using with it? Do you have a freesync monitor?

Same here. No issues.

As others have pointed out repeatedly, there is something wrong with your system.

 

[Leeea]

I'm on Firefox, I don't need no Google.

So I was playing around with my lovely new HDR monitor, and discovered:

HDR support for Windows

Firefox managed to bring HDR to Macs in 100.0 version. Now it's time for Windows! It'd be awesome to watch and work on HDR images and videos using Firefox in 2022. Windows is the most popular OS, why not bring HDR here too? More monitors and devices running on Windows support HDR, so there is an...

connect.mozilla.org

No HDR in firefox outside of MAC.

Makes it a bit pointless for watching quality video.
Also makes it pointless for upping the resolution for better quality.
No point in 8k when you cannot even get HDR.


If you care about video quality, stop using FireFox. The video playback experience in FireFox on a nice monitor is inferior in every way.


That is going to impact your experience far more then the hardware supported video decoder on your graphics card.

 

[Thunder 57]

So I was playing around with my lovely new HDR monitor, and discovered:

HDR support for Windows

Firefox managed to bring HDR to Macs in 100.0 version. Now it's time for Windows! It'd be awesome to watch and work on HDR images and videos using Firefox in 2022. Windows is the most popular OS, why not bring HDR here too? More monitors and devices running on Windows support HDR, so there is an...

connect.mozilla.org

Yep, no HDR in firefox outside of MAC.

Makes it a bit pointless for watching quality video.
Also makes it pointless for upping the resolution for better quality.
No point in 8k when you cannot even get HDR.


If you care about video quality, stop using FireFox. The video playback experience in FireFox on a nice monitor is inferior in every way.


That is going to impact your experience far more then the hardware supported video decoder on your graphics card.

If that's true, it's a shame. Firefox was once the go to browser that defeated IE.

 

[The red spirit]

Did you mean 60 160? Because 60 60 would obviously be stupid and do nothing. I had it set to 60-170, but changed it to 80-170 since it does take a very small amount of time to ramp up the clocks and it seems smoother.

Also, it sounds like you need freesync to use chill.



From here.

AMD never said you need Freesync for Chill and you can use 60-60, it then should work kinda the same as FRTC, again AMD said that.

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Appears to work for me.

Seems to have 3 video decoders, but only uses Video Codec 0.


yes, vp9 decoding does not work on rx500 series.

But if I am reading the above picture correctly, it works now.

Your confirmation means a squat to me, your card isn't even Polaris, therefore it's not relevant.

Same here. No issues.

As others have pointed out repeatedly, there is something wrong with your system.

Nonsense, you people haven't even tried to use all stuff I mentioned here and I'm tired of saying same stuff for one millionth time. You have no reason to think my system isn't working correctly.

So I was playing around with my lovely new HDR monitor, and discovered:

HDR support for Windows

Firefox managed to bring HDR to Macs in 100.0 version. Now it's time for Windows! It'd be awesome to watch and work on HDR images and videos using Firefox in 2022. Windows is the most popular OS, why not bring HDR here too? More monitors and devices running on Windows support HDR, so there is an...

connect.mozilla.org

No HDR in firefox outside of MAC.

Makes it a bit pointless for watching quality video.
Also makes it pointless for upping the resolution for better quality.
No point in 8k when you cannot even get HDR.


If you care about video quality, stop using FireFox. The video playback experience in FireFox on a nice monitor is inferior in every way.


That is going to impact your experience far more then the hardware supported video decoder on your graphics card.

I hope you realize that I use 1440p SDR monitor. I don't care about HDR and lack of HDR doesn't make high bit rate pointless at all. You are still dead wrong about HW decoding too. Might as well not comment if you still don't understand what it is and why it's important.

 

[Mopetar]

Lol, this thread escalated quickly. Here's my two cents:

I'm going to undervolt my GPU and when it doesn't work right I'm going to say AMD has software AIDS and their drivers are broken!

About right?

That sounds more like HIV (Hardware Improperly Volted) than AIDS (Apparent Insufficiently Developed Software) to me, but I do understand that some people throw around the terms interchangeably.

 

[Leeea]

That sounds more like HIV (Hardware Improperly Volted) than AIDS (Apparent Insufficiently Developed Software) to me, but I do understand that some people throw around the terms interchangeably.

Epic.

 

[Thunder 57]

AMD never said you need Freesync for Chill and you can use 60-60, it then should work kinda the same as FRTC, again AMD said that.

That sounds like buffoonery. That's what FRTC is for. But wait, that's broken too! Software AIDS! How about telling us else your monitors refresh rate?

 

[poke01]

The reason its on Mac first is because Apple has excellent HDR support in macOS/iOS. It hontestly suprised me HDR support is better than Windows/Linux and even better than top end LG OLED TVs.

HDR is so nice when its implemented right.

 

[poke01]

I think AMD can get better. No one is perfect.

 

[The red spirit]

That sounds like buffoonery. That's what FRTC is for. But wait, that's broken too! Software AIDS! How about telling us else your monitors refresh rate?

60 Hz. Anyway, FRTC seems to work in some things, but fails in others. Doesn't work in UT2004, where I get up to 200 fps, but works in Cyberpunk 2077, when I occasionally see more than 60. Fails in Doom. Chill just seems to stutter everywhere the same.
I actually DDU'ed my GPU drivers out of curiosity and installed Pro driver minimal install. Got a bit more fps in Cyberpunk 2077, because AMD's spyware (aka relive, monitoring and the rest of junk) was off. lmao. But other than that nothing changed. They only made me wonder if I would get more fps if I DDU'ed them again and went with driver only install, because AMD software is pos.

 

[lopri]

This is a rank speculation, but is it possible that AIB's are cheaping on AMD cards because NVIDIA cards provide higher margins? Lower quality components and lesser build quality, etc. If so they may not age as well as NVIDIA counterparts.

 

[dlerious]

This is a rank speculation, but is it possible that AIB's are cheaping on AMD cards because NVIDIA cards provide higher margins? Lower quality components and lesser build quality, etc. If so they may not age as well as NVIDIA counterparts.

Wouldn't you have a higher margin if you used lower quality (less costly) components?

 

[lopri]

I guess it's a matter of degree. If there is a bigger margin I imagine there is room to play with for AIBs to differentiate their products. With a lower margin, perhaps a race to the bottom.

 

[Hans Gruber]

This is a rank speculation, but is it possible that AIB's are cheaping on AMD cards because NVIDIA cards provide higher margins? Lower quality components and lesser build quality, etc. If so they may not age as well as NVIDIA counterparts.

If that were true, EVGA would not have abandoned Nvidia and the GPU market. They sent out test samples of the EVGA 4090 to review sites. I assume it's a middle finger to Nvidia. The what could have been card.

 

[Tup3x]

Regarding Chromium based browsers hardware accelerated video decoding: I think it's far from prefect and buggy. It can drop frames for very starge reasons. You have two browser windows open -> video starts dropping frames and might even just stop untill you close the another window. It would be better to test video decoding capability using proper video player instead.

Also AV1 HW decoding works much better in Firefox than on Chrome/Edge.

 

[Leeea]

Also AV1 HW decoding works much better in Firefox than on Chrome/Edge.

only on non-HDR monitors.

Firefox does not do HDR (except on Mac), so it is always inferior if you have a nice monitor.

Not just a little inferior either. Side by side on the same monitor and Firefox is just noticeably trash quality. Once I saw it I now open chrome specifically for videos. I was switching over to FireFox and now I am reconsidering. It is a pain to flip back to chrome for video content.

 

[Aapje]

This is a rank speculation, but is it possible that AIB's are cheaping on AMD cards because NVIDIA cards provide higher margins? Lower quality components and lesser build quality, etc. If so they may not age as well as NVIDIA counterparts.

Nvidia gives really poor margins to the AIBs.

 

[lopri]

Well, I don't think any AIBs wants to deal with NVIDIA. Haha. Yeah even EVGA could not take it any more.

Personally I have had no issue with store-bought AMD cards, but I am a little apprehensive of buying second-hand AMD cards.