Why does the search feature on Windows 7 suck so badly?

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Nintendesert

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I much prefer the Vista/Win7/Search 4.0 index searching. On XP I would set up Search 4.0 and like the others tell it what I want indexed and never had a problem.

It's much better than that annoying dog.
 

soonerproud

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WTF is wrong with Microsoft? It is impossible to search properly for files any more. On XP, you'd enter a search string and the computer would scan your entire hard drive for a selection of files. Windows 7 doesn't seem to even attempt a proper search. If the result doesn't show up as you are typing the characters, it never appears..not even when you hit "more results".

If you want proof of this, install Utorrent, delete the shortcut, then do a search for "utorrent". The .exe launcher is still buried in a Windows folder somewhere however it doesn't turn up in a search..so there is no way to launch the program manually. I've had the same problem with document files. Even after saving a .doc file to the desktop, a search for the title turns up nothing! Why does the search feature NOT do a search?

Hit the windows key and start typing indexing options. Go ahead and select the indexing options result as soon as it appears and then rebuild the index. That should fix any issues you are having.
 

mnemennth

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... it's not a PEBCAK error at all.

Some of us realize that MS indexing service is RETARDED and constantly returns useless results (Like Bing, only the pool is smaller) and would prefer to just turn it off.

I can regex; can you?

mnem
Yes, I realize this thread is over year old. The relevant suckage does not diminish over time.
 

0roo0roo

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eh what annoys me is that the search results dont display the path on the main page, any way to fix this? win7 likes hiding shit it shouldn't be.
 

FoxFifth

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The single best thing about Windows 7 for me is the "Search programs and files" box immediately above the Start button. Extremely convenient. Finds programs, finds Control Panel items even when I really don't know the name of what I'm looking for, finds files by name or by content in the files. I use it a lot. It has been so long since I used XP that I don't remember much but if there was something equivalent I do know that I wasn't aware of it and wasn't using it.
 

0roo0roo

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The single best thing about Windows 7 for me is the "Search programs and files" box immediately above the Start button. Extremely convenient. Finds programs, finds Control Panel items even when I really don't know the name of what I'm looking for, finds files by name or by content in the files. I use it a lot. It has been so long since I used XP that I don't remember much but if there was something equivalent I do know that I wasn't aware of it and wasn't using it.

it was called launchy

win7 search is ok for system settings..which launchy didn't have as far as I know. but on the other hand win 7 buries enough settings that it is kind of necessary.
 

scorpivs

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The second time I used Windows 7 Search, it came up empy-handed, again.
(not a good sign for $$$oftware, unless we are to do their work for them...)
I treated it just like Facebook & Internet Explorer 8:
I simply turned off/denied/deleted ALL "new features."
(Why should I burden my CPU/RAM with sharing a bunch of stuff
I don't use or even have.)
-so-
As recommended, I used Windows 7 Search, entering the word "Search" haha

The Indexing Options dialog box appeared.
Then, I ran the troubleshooter in the dialog box, specifying the problem as:
"Windows 7 Search"
[it takes a virus to kill a virus.] not as haha, is it.
Evidently, W7 Search has to be turned on, first, which it openly stated
had not been done.

(Observation: Windows 7 "installs" so quickly, because
it leaves out the usual default settings and features...
- this information was originally included in the Windows 7 marketing materials
and was prominently indicated during the beta trials)

When shown Indexed Search Locations, I clicked the one for Start Menu
hoping simply to disable it. For some strange reason, W7 instead showed me
a list of other places on my system, not yet indexed.
I marked the check-boxes for my C: drive and my 1TB USB storage drive.
"Naviguessing" - no, forcible naviguessing - to this juncture is my complaint.

Afterward, I clicked on something else, because as an intermediate/advanced
user, I could find no useful purpose in searching my Start Menu, and wanted
to remove it from Indexed Locations as a resource-wasting expent effort.
(Most of my installed everyday programs get a place on the QuickStart Menu
thus to prevent covering over any closely monitored screenspace with some
ridiculous list of folders and icons, err, Start Menu, but Windows insists
searching Features is a useful priority, if only to them and to those whose
experience with Windows is in their first two weeks, and it puts up a struggle
to protect it - go figure...) Mere bloat gets nothing done for the end-user.

Now that the Indexing has been going on for almost an hour
(the part of XP installations which takes so much time...apparently...)
and with no application, tools or background tasks running, Indexing Options
is still telling me:

"Indexing speed is reduced due to user activity."

How the heck does it know I'm having a cigarette?!

Is it that needy? Sounds personal...

Yes, I will wait for the whole 250GB on my USB to get cataloged.
That includes the Service Pack folders (which it will obviously index first)
which Microsoft put on my USB drive, three operating systems ago, without
my approval, foreknowledge or access. I can't even delete them - it won't
let me open them, and the ones I have opened, are empty, like wrappers
from ABC gum, tucked under a cushion. But it is indexing them.


When (if) it finishes, I will go back and try to include the Windows folder on my
C: drive, excluded from Search, by default.
(Useful things, like wallpaper folders and some shortcuts are found only there -
-I don't like to have to naviguess to their locations.)

Microsoft needs to improve their definitions of words like 'new' and commit to
a standard of excellence based more on a consumer-centric policy of:
"User convenience, first - Advanced User loyalty, included - $oftware pride, no."
Computers are supposed to make things convenient & easy for people. Not the
other way around. Obviously, computers are getting help from somewhere...
"Do we have a deal, Mister ...Regan?

My apologies for the numerous edits, here. I don't have time to do ALL of
MS's work, for them, I'm just one of those unintellectual commoners who
pays for their OS's inadequacies, requiring 3 apps to post legibly in a forum.

[EDIT] Additional Details

Hour (3) of Indexing has come and gone; an average of 10 items per second
continue to be indexed. A speedreader at 1400 WPM, I'm faster, pics or not.
The Modify button has been clicked, and all alien folders I did not myself
place on my USB Mass Storage drive have now been naviguessed and
unticked, with no detected hanging or freezing in the Indexing process.

Additionally, C: Windows has now been added to the Locations list, CSC
excluded by default, as though W7 has learned intuitive reasoning. pffh.

[EDIT #2] RESOLUTION

Indexing aborted; Installed Everything search engine (www.voidtools.com)
located in utilities folder I created on 1TB USB drive. Setup time: 75 seconds.
(Including time required to uncheck useless folders) Search time: (for file
unsuccessfully sought 3 hours, 45 minutes earlier, via Windows 7 "Search":

0 seconds.

That's right, the freebie I installed found the file before i finished naming it.
No registry-edit-style busy work. No molecular breakdown of the universe.
No unrestricted access to account information sent to some server in Hades.
No numb or stinging retort from a MS rep or avaricious aspirant of the same.

What Windows doesn't find won't cost me.

ROFL Now looking for similar applications to substitute for:

Start Menu
Recycle Bin
Windows Update
"My" Documents, etc...

Wow. Now, is MS reduced to some kind of tool?

My i7 940 told me it feels violated.

"Lazy" is a label shady salesmen use to identify dissatisfied customers
because it can sound like, "busy" when it is mumbled.


FYI: It's nothing personal, and so this post is about how I successfully
searched for and found a file while using Windows 7, conveniently
and without delay or interruption of my work. It's not about getting
responses. Criticisms, references and allusions will be summarily ignored.

I will keep coming back to justify my margins for those who like an easy read.
 
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NFW

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Just registered here to say THANK YOU Scorpivs!

both for taking the time to write that lengthy post and also for providing a link to a program that works... and thus a solution to the problem I was having and reason for finding this thread in the first place.

Very much appreciated!!!
Glad to know it isn't just me that has been sitting here thinking WTF is with the new windows search feature... useless. The fact you have to change so many settings just to make it half-arsed useful is all the more frustrating...

so thanks again for the link... installed it and was sooooo impressed with how quick and easy is to search for files on my pc now.
 

Jeff7

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Minor thread necro, but I figure it's better than having another "Windows 7 Search was built by a braindead monkey" thread.

Does anyone know if Microsoft has any plans to at least attempt to make Windows 7's Search feature suck less? Why not bring back the GUI interface of WinXP? Why'd they go back 15 years to a commandline interface? Why'd they kill wildcard functionality?


And here's this search failure on Windows XP with Windows Search 4.0, or some such thing, installed.
I searched for *picard* and on the right side, third file from the bottom, is the file I wanted. File not found. Windows 7 isn't much better.
DOS could have found that file. (I rely more now on the DOS-like commandline interface for finding files than I did back when using the old WinXP Search Companion.)

Indexing = good idea. Implementation in Windows 7 = fgsfds.
 
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pcunite

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Does anyone know if Microsoft has any plans to at least attempt to make Windows 7's Search feature suck less? Why not bring back the GUI interface of WinXP? Why'd they go back 15 years to a commandline interface? Why'd they kill wildcard functionality?

I think most people have moved over to using FileSearchEX from what I've been reading ... several big sites ran a story on it. The Windows 7 search is powerful though, you just have to be an expert on the interface.
 

Jeff7

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I think most people have moved over to using FileSearchEX from what I've been reading ... several big sites ran a story on it. The Windows 7 search is powerful though, you just have to be an expert on the interface.
And that's what nearly makes it tragic.
WinXP had a sluggish search feature, but an adequate interface.

Then they gave the Windows 7 search an improved engine, but crippled it by saying "You know what, DOS was awesome!!!!"

"Here's some new surgical equipment. We've enhanced the durability by encasing everything in a 1/2" thick coating of hardened silicone."


I seem to recall having used FileSearchEX...I'll have to look it up at home again, but I think there were some weird aspects of it. I think it approached the usability of the WinXP Search Companion, but not quite.
 

cheez

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Indexing = good idea. Implementation in Windows 7 = fgsfds.
I wasn't sure what that meant, so I googled it and found this:
Best Answer - Chosen by Voters

For God Sakes, F*ck Dis Sh*t
Makes sense now. I agree.

I too had issues using search feature on Windows 7. Time is money. I didn't have time to waste, and it wasn't able to deliver the service I requested. That's why I stopped using it. MS Office Outlook search is SUPERIOR on the other hand. I use it all the time at work, ridiculously useful, and fast as F-#-@-K. (sorry for my dirty language )


Yes WinXP search trumps the Win7 search. Or should I say, any older OSes are better.

Thread closed.
 
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ebd74

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I can't add locations to be indexed. I can't add file types to allow searching contents. This pretty much renders Windows 7 Search useless. I also can't install programs to perform the search for me.

I want to find a phrase that appears on our company Intranet. It could be in an HTM, HTML, ASP, or TXT file. Unfortunately, only the TXT files are searchable and it returns 0 results (even though I know of two pages where the phrase exists - it is a variable name and I know where the declaration is and one reference to it, but need to make sure it isn't used elsewhere before deleting the known reference and the declaration).

Before we moved from XP, I could use the Search Companion and tell it to search in *.htm;*.html;*.asp files and I'd be all set. No go in W7. Why makes things more difficult? I shouldn't need to add these to a list (or multiple lists) somewhere. We never had Vista, so I can't comment there, but this worked fine for me on 98, 2000, and XP. Searching shouldn't be this complicated.
 

honestann

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How amazing to see fan boys try to defend absolute trashware. Amazingly, they could have half fixed the atrocity if they added the following checkboxes:

O files
O folders
O contents
O exact match
O case sensitive

... and perhaps a couple more well-chosen options to include/exclude things like CD/DVD drives, network drives, etc.

More often I have the exact opposite problems than are mentioned in this thread. I want to search for a certain folder on one or my of my drives, and the stupid piece of crapware spews out 37 trillion paths to files that happens to contain the substring I happened to type. I freaking DO NOT WANT the stupid thing to search inside files unless I tell it to! At the very least, I should be able to disable "search inside files" without causing windoze7 a seizure! Like what? I'm supposed to disable indexing, perform a search, then re-enable indexing... every time I want to search? Give me a freaking break!

The longer macroshaft exists, the less they try to make their software sensible or helpful. They really must have a bunch of retarded monkeys running things to come up with atrocities like these! Sheesh! And yes, this is not the only atrocity in windoze7, by a long shot.
 

FalseChristian

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I have Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit. I downloaded and installed AISuite from Asus' website and now I can't fine it! Help!
 

sm625

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You shouldnt have to read a frickin book on a search tool to be able to use it (regular expressions aside). There is no reason all the options couldnt be displayed somewhere right in the search dialog.
 

0roo0roo

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well the way they display the results is annoying or the lack of customizability of that bit.
in any case they won't fix it, thats not how they roll, just look at how they just abandoned media center.
 

FlyerX

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its quite simple to define the PROBLEM with the windows 7 searcher

and the key is what was mentioned before, you must have an knowledge to used it.... but the part i dont understand is precisely THAT. WHY?

This is my case;

i needed an audio file (a recording of an important conversation) but i dont remember it's name, its size neither the date.

the only things i know its that it was recorded between 2007 and 2009, it's size was between 500kb and 30mb and i dont remember if the file format is qcp, amr, mp3, wav or ogg.

the windows 7 search feature is good, BUT it is ONLY useful (i am not saying it does not work) under the following situation; when you know where the file is, and instead of scrolling down to the file or digging through folders YOU JUST USE THE SEARCH FEATURE IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE WINDOW. just to save you time.

In my case i only knew it was within "my documents" folder (in an external hdd, [i dont save anything important in my laptop])

i got angry as hell trying to tell to windows 7 the file is between 500kb and 30mb, different file format/audio extentions, a range of creation, and or modification dates.... etc...

someone told what i had to do to find my audio file under that condition:
i was told to write THIS in the search space.....
kind:audio date:1/1/2007..12/30/2009 size:1mb..30mb

DUDE! come on... today we use gestures with our fingers to do something in our phones and..... but do i have to enter "codes" in my windows to search for a file?

after about 2 hours...
i remembered that it is an external hdd... i attached it to an old 1.2ghz 512mb ram windows xp computer...

right click on "my documents"... in the search windows file name, part of it or content BLANK.. but i chose the options:
when was modified?: [date] or [between.. and...]
when was created: [date] or [between.. and...]
when was last accessed: [date] or [between.. and...]
what size is [size] or [min size .... max size]
what kind of file is: [the whole knonw file extentions to choose..]


in a more simply way.. in windows 7 I MUST KNOW how to imput the parameters... in windows XP you DONT, it just ask what you need..

and the thing goes even worst in windows 7 with its "smart" feature that depend on the folder, if is a music folder the only filtersa available are artist, genre, album etc... but the only filters available for the external folder was size and modified date and was awfull to use...

in wiindows XP shows me about 40 files.... the one i was looking for was between those 40...


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