Doesn't VT50 give you *softer* pictures? It may have better blacks though.Ahh this was such a good read guys lol.
Cheez I invite you to come over and see what your missing.
I'm not even going to get into this but Im about to watch a bluray on my vt50 panny
Sony PS3 isn't made strictly for BD playback. It doesn't have the hardware to give you the edge in BD playback. It's made for gaming.Oh and a ps3 is one of the best players you can get for watching BD and when I need to watch a dvd I run that into my HQV reon-VX processer for 1080P upscaling and I would bet my whole setup it looks better than what your watching.Iv been there and done that with HTPC and they can't touch real dedicated upsacling hardware.
Doesn't VT50 give you *softer* pictures? It may have better blacks though.
Sony PS3 isn't made strictly for BD playback. It doesn't have the hardware to give you the edge in BD playback. It's made for gaming.
And I'm not going to buy me a PS3 just to play BD movies....
Next.
I don't understand how this thread became mpeg2-TS vs bluray.
Most Blu Ray movies use m2ts (mpeg2-TS) container format. Why are people saying one or the other is better, it doesn' make sense.
Neither of these two words describe the compression format of the video.
numerous new releases have required updates to the blu ray player. Many people have had to deal with all sorts of issues trying to get their legitimately purchased content working on their player. I don't recall any enchancements or upgrades or any updated content with these new updates, nothing changed except it was giant pain in the ass for many customers to get it working.Somehow bd is a waste because he thinks you need to update it every 15 min but would rather download compressed files of the same format and stream them with his htpc on a 720p display.
I'm willing to bet the original ps3 will be able to play 2160 movies when they come out with a software update.
So much for having a setup that can be updated.
numerous new releases have required updates to the blu ray player. Many people have had to deal with all sorts of issues trying to get their legitimately purchased content working on their player. I don't recall any enchancements or upgrades or any updated content with these new updates, nothing changed except it was giant pain in the ass for many customers to get it working.
In fact, it's pretty much accepted that the only reason Avatar didn't work on most blu ray players is because they changed the DRM security on the disc, screwing over a lot of paying customers.
I can relate to how people think these "updates" are nothing to be happy about.
There was a lot of upgrades pushed over to the ps3,like first gen players not being able to play 3d and added 24p fixes along with lossless optical output threw the ps3s dacs.
I dont think I can remember anytimes when my ps3 has given me an isuue trying to play a movie,the updates I did added things like online content and 3d.
You cant blame drm for changing things and if you are on the latest ps3 os you are good to go with 99% of the movies out there.
cheez is saying BD is like it was the first few months it came out with hd dvd also for sale and the drm not running any real standard yet.
If you buy a BD player today it will play anything and most not have to be updated in years.
I don't care for 3D feature from movies. Not everyone cares for this. That's your option, extra.Please tell me what hardware the ps3 is missing,Sony developed it my friend and the ps3 from the get go was made as a home theater system.I have the original one that supports SACD playback and with (upgraded firmware)it now supports 3d in 1080p with 24/60 and 96 playback and combined with my softer picture(don't know if your serious there)vt50 I use the ps3 to blast direct 24p in 60 and 96hz source right to the TV without any issues and is the only player I know of that supports it...
Dear sir, 5 min is too long for me. I don't have that kind of time to waste. Time is money. I need something that can play in less than a sec.not bad for a 5 min update I say lol.
If you do ISF calibration on the plasma TV it will certainly help on the video quality. But I am assuming you just calibrated with your remote which anybody can do.... I would like to become a hot ISF calibrator.Keep telling your self bd is junk and I still hold that offer open for you and your pops to be blow away on a fully calibrated vt50 playing a bd in 3d at 1080p
I have been talking MPEG2 TS outside the bluray format. Bluray format Vs. non-Blu-ray format is probably better way to differentiate.I don't understand how this thread became mpeg2-TS vs bluray.
Most Blu Ray movies use m2ts (mpeg2-TS) container format. Why are people saying one or the other is better, it doesn' make sense.
Neither of these two words describe the compression format of the video.
You have not been paying attention this whole time of the discussion. I don't download compressed junk from BD titles from internet. I rarely ever watch movies, specifically, AMERICAN MOVIES and EUROPEAN MOVIES. I said this like 30 times already. The stuff I have are 1920 x 1080i MPEG-TS drama (READ --> Not American Holywood movies and other euro junk) from other countries that are 20+ Mbps. They are nothing like the ones you see on American cable HD stations... night and day difference. The PQ is directly comparable to the descent quality BD titles. So I would have to be completely retarded to watch blu-ray movies when I have no desire to watch American holywood movies (which is totally junk ) and the PQ is no better than what I have. The stuff I watch ain't free download either. Just think of as "reference HD material". I don't watch anything else such as ripped american movies as they look like turd, 100% pure. I mean it.Somehow bd is a waste because he thinks you need to update it every 15 min but would rather download compressed files of the same format and stream them with his htpc on a 720p display.
What good is it when it's not a best hardware for blu-ray movies for quality? I am not interested in "ghetto" BD player. PS3 is entry-level unit.I'm willing to bet the original ps3 will be able to play 2160 movies when they come out with a software update.
Nobody has answered my question yet. What if the user doesn't have internet CONNECTION?So much for having a setup that can be updated.
For Blu-ray PC Drive too????? You sure it will not ask for updates nevermind years, in a month????? IMPOSSIBLE. I can bet you $3000 for this. I know I will win.If you buy a BD player today it will play anything and most not have to be updated in years.
Well you've opened it up.
1. You can make a fan less HTPC. You can also put it in another room. There are plenty of options. And optical drive... are you missing the point of an HTPC?
2. What does calibrating your display have to do with the digital source? You shouldn't have any settings that modify the source, neither in the drivers nor in the player. The output should never be skewed because it should always be the exact same data bit for bit that is stored in the file. A driver update can screw up your settings? You've gotta be kidding me.
3. Jitter is only a problem with real-time playback. When you rip to a storage medium there is no jitter because software (like EAC for example) have CRC to ensure that the data was copied bit for bit.
4. Again, this only applies if you are doing D to A in the player. My Pioneer Elite critical listening integrated amplifier (certified by Air Studios) has a function like that called "direct" mode, which shuts off every circuit in the device (including the LCD) so that the analog stage is not affected by any interferences. Having this kind of feature in a device where the D to A hasn't occurred (a 'reference player' or HTPC outputting with toslink or HDMI) is not just silly, but borderline stupidity.
Build quality: I don't know what that means until you quantify. Aesthetic things like gold trimming do not qualify. This is the digital domain, putting gold on it doesn't make it better.
Scaler quality: On an HTPC, you can (if you have the horsepower) upscale using a lanczos or spline algorithm, good luck doing that on any 'reference quality' player with a slow-ass ARM chip in it. At best you'll get bilinear or bicubic scaling.
Analog quality: this only applies to audio, and again you would never be doing this in the HTPC or the 'reference quality' player for that matter. You would be doing it outside using a 'reference quality' DAC or integrated amp.
Good points, but let me clarify:
1. You can, but 99.999% of the people do not.
Good points, but let me clarify:
1. You can, but 99.999% of the people do not. Unless you use a full heat pipe cooling system, your HTPC will be considerably louder than a good quality standalone player. The extra power in an HTPC comes at a price. As for an optical disc drive, I would think that would be smart option to include as you may just want to pop in a disc and not have to rip it before watching. You can definitely do without it to reduce that extra noise though.
2. Even though BD playback is VERY close between players, it is not exactly the same. For instance, the Oppo player normally produces more of a neutral picture compared to a PS3. And sometimes calibrators will adjust the settings on the player for that extra tweak to the picture.
3. I wouldn't say ripping eliminates it, it just reduces it which I agree with you. And if you are NOT playing a CD, you would rely on the ripping software to reduce the jitter.
4. Completely agree. I was thinking more about my player. For critical listening, I'll use the built in analog stage of my player (Pioneer Elite 09FD) as it is better DAC's than my AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-07). When Pure Audio is enabled on the player, it makes a noticeable difference in sound quality.
As for build quality, take a look at reference player and you'll see what I mean. Some can't appreciate it, but I definitely do. From the tray eject mechanism, to the quality components used, to the button feel, and just overall solid build of the unit.
My player scales DVD's VERY well.
I have reference quality DAC's in my player.
Ah, the infamous $1,200 3.5mm audio cable thread. That one has become the stuff of Anandtech Forums legend.
It's no good explaining technical details to him. It's all magic and flimflam after all.
There is nothing to dig. I already know all this stuff. I was trying to get you to understand that PS3 has no good scaler and blu-ray has issues. I also said your TV has soft pictures. You probably don't know what soft is, do you?I think its halarious on how deep you keep digging yourself into
I was talking about "PS3". Do you read??I have mentioned above what scaler I use
You don't seem clear whether you have yours ISF calibrated or not. Do you know what ISF is? Why don't you just answer to my question?and its sad that you would even assume that I calibrated hands down the best tv you can basically buy right now that has matched or even beaten the kuro in blacks
and you assume I didnt have a professional come in and spend a few hours with the set.
I never said "720p files" in this thread. You may want to re-read. I do have 720p files too, but 1080i files are what I have been discussing about.edit now you have 1080p files and before they were 720p and then 1080i
You mean terabyte? Never heard of terra... What's dat?and then you said uncompressed movies would not take up a terra
720p native display is generally better than 1080p native display when playing HD videos. 1080p gets worse when you play SD contents also. I said you have soft pictures but the problem is you don't even realize that your pictures are soft. Your eyes aren't trained enough. This is how I can tell you are not quite experienced in videos yet...I call bs on your movies also but for some reason I do actually believe you and your pops do actually have hi res mpeg porn files that you like to watch but feel free to post a screen shot of some of these terrabyte files you seem to love to brag about
I am not retarded. I am fine. And I'm not a troll either. If you call me I'm a clown, I guess I don't have much say to that.As for cheez, I'm convinced he is either retarded or a troll. There is just no other explanation.
720p native display is generally better than 1080p native display when playing HD videos.
Yes you can get more "resolvable" content due to increased native resolutions on the display when viewing HD (1080i or p). Doesn't necessarily mean it will give you "crisp" or / and "sharp" pictures. Increased resolution is one thing, but crispness / sharpness is another, which many 1080p displays aren't exactly good at. And of course it gets MUCH worse when you run 480p video on a 1080p native display. Even at 1080i/p video, my 768p native display beats the 1080p display because the pictures are insanely crisp and sharp. The problem with many 1080p displays today are notorious for soft playback.That is demonstrably not true. With a 1080p source, a 1080p native display will give you a better picture because there is no need for scaling. You say a 1080p display is softer than a 720p display, but that is in fact the opposite of how it works.
It's "hilarious" not "halarious". I have never heard that word before.. Is that a new word. I would like to know.
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You mean terabyte? Never heard of terra... What's dat?
Yes you can get more "resolvable" content due to increased native resolutions on the display when viewing HD (1080i or p). Doesn't necessarily mean it will give you "crisp" or / and "sharp" pictures. Increased resolution is one thing, but crispness / sharpness is another, which many 1080p displays aren't exactly good at. And of course it gets MUCH worse when you run 480p video on a 1080p native display. Even at 1080i/p video, my 768p native display beats the 1080p display because the pictures are insanely crisp and sharp. The problem with many 1080p displays today are notorious for soft playback.
Oh there is more..... contrast / pop. Nope.... black levels means squat.
Yes you can get more "resolvable" content due to increased native resolutions on the display when viewing HD (1080i or p). Doesn't necessarily mean it will give you "crisp" or / and "sharp" pictures. Increased resolution is one thing, but crispness / sharpness is another, which many 1080p displays aren't exactly good at. And of course it gets MUCH worse when you run 480p video on a 1080p native display. Even at 1080i/p video, my 768p native display beats the 1080p display because the pictures are insanely crisp and sharp. The problem with many 1080p displays today are notorious for soft playback.
Oh there is more..... contrast / pop. Nope.... black levels means squat.