Why doesn't Joe Biden get any press and why is he behind Edwards in the polls??

[gotsmack]

I don't see anyone talking about Joe Biden and he doesn't seem to get any press.

He is an expert on foreign policy.

He has a decent health care policy

He has reasonable middle of the road solutions for just about all of the issues that both sides can agree to.


So why is Joe behind Edwards in the polls?

 

[HombrePequeno]

He's not the most PC of the candidates.

Besides his energy policy and maybe a few other subset views, his views aren't that spectacular.

 

[PSUstoekl]

I think that if anyone here knew the real answer to your question, we'd be running for president ourselves.

Here's my opinion, do with it what you will:

Joe Biden simply isn't a very visible candidate. He's middle aged, white, looks like a guy in your office and isn't particularly interesting. Sure, his platform is good, but he isn't Black, isn't a Woman, isn't Pretty, doesn't want to repeal the income tax and he's not a preacher. What people like in a candidate is someone who's immediately visible.

That said, the dems did nominate Kerry in 04. Go figure.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: PSUstoekl
I think that if anyone here knew the real answer to your question, we'd be running for president ourselves.

Here's my opinion, do with it what you will:

Joe Biden simply isn't a very visible candidate. He's middle aged, white, looks like a guy in your office and isn't particularly interesting. Sure, his platform is good, but he isn't Black, isn't a Woman, isn't Pretty, doesn't want to repeal the income tax and he's not a preacher. What people like in a candidate is someone who's immediately visible.

That said, the dems did nominate Kerry in 04. Go figure.

Oh yeah, being a white male is a disadvantage.

 

[First]

Edwards is by far the worst of the Dem candidates. Really quite disgusting actually. Biden has tons of experience and is far more qualified than a political fake like Edwards. He's worse than HRC.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: PSUstoekl
I think that if anyone here knew the real answer to your question, we'd be running for president ourselves.

Here's my opinion, do with it what you will:

Joe Biden simply isn't a very visible candidate. He's middle aged, white, looks like a guy in your office and isn't particularly interesting. Sure, his platform is good, but he isn't Black, isn't a Woman, isn't Pretty, doesn't want to repeal the income tax and he's not a preacher. What people like in a candidate is someone who's immediately visible.

That said, the dems did nominate Kerry in 04. Go figure.

Oh yeah, being a white male is a disadvantage.

When you are a democrat running for president in 08 it is.

 

[Thump553]

Although he's made some gaffes, Biden has the smarts and experience in spades. In my view, a dream team would be Osama & Biden, Biden would fill in the holes nicely and give Obama a boost, while still be complementary to his style.

By himself, though, Biden has about as much chance as Dodd.

 

[Moonbeam]

What I think of when I think of Joe Biden, is that he once gave a tremendous speech somewhere. Unfortunately, at least for Joe Biden or what happened to my opinion of him, the speech was one given earlier by some English politician. What kind or real character can you have to try to pass off what somebody else has written as your own?

 

[nageov3t]

he's great on paper, but I don't know... he just doesn't have that dynamic presence.

I think Biden and Richardson would both make great VP candidates, though, and I've kinda felt like that's the job Biden's been running for.

 

[Lemon law]

There is something in Biden that shines through as too cock sure. I remember him as a pro Iraq
war hawk that ripped into skeptics with scathing contempt. But now that he has lost faith in the Iraq war and as his position has gradually changed almost 180 degrees now, he never lost that cocky arrogant Joe still knows best attitude.

Its precisely the attitude we find most repugnant from others who have power over us like a boss at work. But we take secret delight in not hiring anyone like that when we have power over them.

Biden is a smart fellow and he now gets it on a lot of issues. But he never learned the value
of the play dumb act that GWB has mastered. Which allows GWB to play Mr. Nice guy while he sic's his hoards of hachet men on the hapless.

In a less mass media setting, I think Biden comes off as more humble and open, but put him in front of a camera, and he has a self destructive compulsion to dazzle everyone with his brilliance.

Thats just MHO on Biden, its up to the reader to agree or disagree. But all in all, Biden would make a descent President.

 

[Nitemare]

he is boring

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: PSUstoekl
I think that if anyone here knew the real answer to your question, we'd be running for president ourselves.

Here's my opinion, do with it what you will:

Joe Biden simply isn't a very visible candidate. He's middle aged, white, looks like a guy in your office and isn't particularly interesting. Sure, his platform is good, but he isn't Black, isn't a Woman, isn't Pretty, doesn't want to repeal the income tax and he's not a preacher. What people like in a candidate is someone who's immediately visible.

That said, the dems did nominate Kerry in 04. Go figure.

Oh yeah, being a white male is a disadvantage.

When you are a democrat running for president in 08 it is.

Is John Edwards a black woman and I somehow missed it? :roll:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I don't see anyone talking about Joe Biden and he doesn't seem to get any press.

The powers that are want paul to get the press. Its from Bills playbook. Its the way to win without winning.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: loki8481
he's great on paper, but I don't know... he just doesn't have that dynamic presence.

I think Biden and Richardson would both make great VP candidates, though, and I've kinda felt like that's the job Biden's been running for.

I'd like to see Richardson as VP paired with a Republican. Guliani\Richardson. Thompson\Richardson.

I only say this because I don't think Richardson has the support to become president himself, but I like the guy a lot.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What I think of when I think of Joe Biden, is that he once gave a tremendous speech somewhere. Unfortunately, at least for Joe Biden or what happened to my opinion of him, the speech was one given earlier by some English politician. What kind or real character can you have to try to pass off what somebody else has written as your own?

I think it has happened twice...

His earlier run for the White House was actually ended when it first hit the news back in 88 or 92.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Is John Edwards a black woman and I somehow missed it? :roll:

is john edwards a front runner anywhere at all?

 

[Stoneburner]

No, profjohn, It only happened once in 88 and that was the reason he went out of the race.

IT's funny, back in 2002, I had a political campaign strategy course. I've always been a big Biden fan so I chose to do a mock primary campaign between Biden and Hillary. THe course's professor, a hardcore republican strategist who worked for Mccain in 2000 and BUsh CLassic, kept telling me that Hillary was a liberal so Biden's advantage would be to run as more of a moderate. I reviewed her early record and compared it against his and it was very clear she was MORE moderate than Biden, who is already very moderate, which made positioning difficult for him. Of course, because of Obama and Edwards, he already has even less space to maneuver. But he's by far the most qualified in this campaign, more so even than Richardson. I suspect he'll be secretary of state under any democratic administration.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: loki8481
he's great on paper, but I don't know... he just doesn't have that dynamic presence.

I think Biden and Richardson would both make great VP candidates, though, and I've kinda felt like that's the job Biden's been running for.

I'd like to see Richardson as VP paired with a Republican. Guliani\Richardson. Thompson\Richardson.

I only say this because I don't think Richardson has the support to become president himself, but I like the guy a lot.

I doubt the democratic party would allow one of their own to do that.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: loki8481
he's great on paper, but I don't know... he just doesn't have that dynamic presence.

I think Biden and Richardson would both make great VP candidates, though, and I've kinda felt like that's the job Biden's been running for.

I'd like to see Richardson as VP paired with a Republican. Guliani\Richardson. Thompson\Richardson.

I only say this because I don't think Richardson has the support to become president himself, but I like the guy a lot.

I doubt the democratic party would allow one of their own to do that.

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If Richardson or Biden wanted to convert their party alliance to the GOP, there is very little the democratic party could do about it. But given the relative merits of the GOP right now, snowflakes in hell stand a better chance than that happening.

My guess is and remains that GWB&co is going to prove to be an even greater disaster to the GOP than Nixon and Goldwater put together. And people who switch party seldom find honor or welcome in either camp. So anyone hoping to see Richardson as a GOP VP choice would be well advised not to hold their breath waiting.

 

[johnnobts]

biden has been caught plagurizing. thats a big deal for us academics... that, and calling barry obama 'clean and articulate?' he strikes me as a guy who is in love with the sound of his own voice.

 

[johnnobts]

and he's from delaware... i mean, come on.

 

[herkulease]

my guess is because Biden doesn't spark the whole "new/fresh blood" ideal that press is running with. He been in washington for the last 35 years.

Compared that with just 6 years for Edwards, 3 years for Obama, 7 years for clinton.

same deal with republicans.

Rudy and Huckabee, Romney have never been in washington.

McCain and Paul have been in washington for over 20 years.

 

[Lemon law]

The other problem Biden has is that early on, he was a big Iraq war supporter and was far more vocal about it than Hillary. Even though Biden has since changed his position on the Iraq war, he is somewhat unacceptable to many moderate and left wing members of the democratic party. And because he has switched away from being a war hawk, he can no longer champion the positions of the few remaining pro Iraq war democrats.

And politicians that manage to alienate everyone don't get much support.

But given the candidates and the now expected sleezy swift boating norms, every candidate
from either party is going to get savaged and demonized.

I am still somewhat hoping some candidate will show the leadership to turn the country away from the present course and towards a more national unity position which puts an advantage to someone actively serving in the House or Senate.

And its also likely that many candidates will guess wrong on the events of 08 and be discredited in the process. And those candidates who guess will right will have an advantage

 

[Stoneburner]

Biden was never a warhawk, lemon. He was actually trying to temper the war movement but was undercut by people like hillary and barbara boxer.

 

[Lemon law]

I disagree with you Stoneburner on the war hawk part, once we were into Iraq Biden was a definite early hawk. But I will agree that Biden and McCain were the only real voices
opposing torture and violations of the Geneva convention early on. So in that sense, Biden was a moderating force while people like Hillary were less vocal but pandering to GWB all the way.

But my recollection of events and impression may differ some from yours. I may have more respect for the integrity of Biden than I have for Hillary, but I can't actively support either as anything but a lesser evil compared to what their opposition on the GOP side is likely to be in the event either Hillary or Biden end up being the democratic nominee.

In MHO, Kerry ran on being a better Iraq war general than GWB when he should have ran directly opposed to GWB and all he stood for. A mistake I hope the democrats don't repeat in 08 because the GOP right now stands for stupidity.