Why dont HardDrive Manufacutrs make 5 1/2" drives?

blakehew

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Im just curious as to why we only have 3.5" drives for desktops. I would imagine with current dencitys we could have 1TB hard drives pretty easy if they made 5.5" drives. Size isnt all that big of an issue in most desktops. Just curious if there is any reason behind it. Any ideas. What do you think?
 

bendixG15

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They used to in the good old days.

Then they found out that 3 1/2 inch drives were faster.
Speed is what people want, so thats what they get.
 

blakehew

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Faster How? Is it just because the heads have to on average move further on bigger drives? Because i would think that with a larger plate the outer data would be faster because its moving faster with the same rotation speed of the disk?
 

EBH

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i had a compact presario 5200 that used a 5 1/2 bigfoot hdd
was only 10 gigs
 

zephyrprime

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There is no demand for higher capacity hard drives.

I know you may think that statement to be untrue but it is true. There used to be 5.25" hard drives and I used to own some. The average user is so undemanding with storage requirements that the market for a super big 5.25 drive is just not enough to make a profit.
 

Matthias99

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(note: I think you mean 5.25-inch drives, not 5.5-inch, since that has never been a standard size for PC expansion bays.)

Originally posted by: Imp
God I hope they don't. The 3.5" is loud enough....5 1/2...*shudders*.

There's not really a direct correlation between noise and platter size. Although larger platters would probably tend to be heavier and thus require more powerful motors (generating somewhat more noise and heat). A single-platter 5.25" drive could easily be quieter than a multi-platter 3.5" model.

At the same RPM, bigger drives will have a higher STR (overall). This is because at the outer part of the disk, the drive surface will be moving more quickly underneath the read/write heads. So... why not make bigger drives?

1) Centripetal acceleration (ie, "centrifugal force"). The bigger the disk, the more it tries to pull itself apart when you spin it (see: cheap/flawed CDs breaking apart in 52X drives on occasion). To make a bigger disk at the same RPMs, you have to use stronger materials for the platters -- usually meaning they are thicker and heavier, making it harder to spin them fast, so then you need more powerful motors and your heat and noise go up. Or else you would need to reduce the number of platters -- but that kills your per-drive density advantage. And they already use pretty exotic materials (such as tempered glass and ceramics) for high-speed 3.5" drive platters... 5.25" drives at the same speeds would need some incredibly strong (read: expensive) platters.

2) Size. 3.5" drives are a nicer form factor for compact computers. Not that it couldn't be worked around... but since it's so popular, and manufacturers would rather not make two sizes, 3.5" drives have become the standard.

3) Seek times will also be worse on bigger drives (the actuators literally have to move further), although it's not *that* much of a factor between 3.5" and 5.25" drives.

As noted, Quantum (now defunct... I think Seagate bought what was left) marketed a line of "Bigfoot" 5.25" drives a while back. They didn't exactly take off.

But, basically... I think you could probably make 5400RPM 5.25" drives that at least gave you a 100% improvement over the data density of 3.5" drives -- but probably at higher $/GB due to needing new designs and parts. Most people just don't need that kind of storage space -- 500GB holds a lot of stuff. Fewer still would pay a premium for it, especially when it doesn't perform the same and you could just buy two 3.5" drives instead. And when you start talking enterprise-class storage (where they do need that kind of space, and GB/square foot starts to come into play), they generally also want it to be fast.
 

imported_Kiwi

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They were 5 1/4", not 5 1/2", and the steel disks couldn't handle the spindle speeds that the 3 1/2" disks can run at. I think the largest 5 1/4" drives (which were SCSI, as I recall) topped out at about 80 MBs. Yes, mere MBs, no GB. Incidentally, the things were terrifically noisy, and very fragile. They broke down constantly compared to the tremendous MTBF numbers we get from current drives.
 

corkyg

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And the 5+ size is greater mass - requires more energy, but there is more inertia as was exlained above in scientific terms. Basically- there is a strong market component. The market wants smaller and faster, not bigger and slower.

The direct answer to the topic question is pretty easy - because there is no market for them.
 

nortexoid

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Why don't they make even larger drives that are twice as thick and have 10 platters and sit inside two 5.25" bays? Why don't they make bigger ones that sit inside 3 bays? Why don't they make them bigger than my room? Bigger than my neighborhood! The biggest! The closet!
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Matthias99
2) Size. 3.5" drives are a nicer form factor for compact computers. Not that it couldn't be worked around... but since it's so popular, and manufacturers would rather not make two sizes, 3.5" drives have become the standard.
IBM may be responsible for our fascination with 3.5 inch hard drives. IBM had a huge market share with their compact PS2 line, which didn't have room for 5.25-inch hard drives. Nor 5.25-inch floppy drives, either.

Smaller drives draw less power and cost less to manufacture, to a point. It's easier to make a "perfect" 3.5-inch disk than a "perfect 5.25-inch disk.

As long as 3.5-inch drives keep up with storage needs, they will continue to be the mainstream drive.
As noted, Quantum (now defunct... I think Seagate bought what was left)...
Actually, Maxtor bought Quantum, and Seagate bought Maxtor.
 

jackschmittusa

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nortexoid is right. Today's 3½" hds are considered to be half height drives. The old, 5¼, full height drives were monsters. Last one I had was an HP scsi that shipped with its own drive cage.
 
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