Why don't other colleges charge $240.00 tuition for full time students?

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Ryan
In florida - scholarships are available to EVERY high school student that graduates with a 3.0 gpa or better. Get a 3.5, and the Bright Futures Scholarship covers 100%, 3.0 and they cover 75%.

How can Florida afford such if there's no state income tax?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Ryan
In florida - scholarships are available to EVERY high school student that graduates with a 3.0 gpa or better. Get a 3.5, and the Bright Futures Scholarship covers 100%, 3.0 and they cover 75%.

How can Florida afford such if there's no state income tax?

It's funded through the State Lottery.

 

[BlancoNino]

WA State resident here. I pay about $900 for 15 credits at a community college. It's ridiculous.

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

So you are the shortsighted one.

Please do explain

Education enables to lead more prosperous lives and contribute more in taxes rather than costing the government money in the long run.

Mugs is right in assessing my views on this subject. You have to look at the benefits in the long run. More taxes are one, also a better educated population will bring more money to the state. Living standards improve, people earning money spend more and support businesses, this goes on and on. It's a win-win situation for the individual and the state.

Ok, you guys make sense, didn't ever think about future taxes, living standards, etc.

How about the basic tenet of what should be a free society? You must work for your living standard. If you want to go to college you should work for it. I shouldn't be paying for your college at all.

You want our already socialist state to become even more so? To see how that turns out, see USSR and Venezuela .

People should be able to voluntarily help, but the state forcing compulsory subsidies is retarded. Life, liberty, property.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: skypilot

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

So you are the shortsighted one.

Please do explain

Education enables to lead more prosperous lives and contribute more in taxes rather than costing the government money in the long run.

Mugs is right in assessing my views on this subject. You have to look at the benefits in the long run. More taxes are one, also a better educated population will bring more money to the state. Living standards improve, people earning money spend more and support businesses, this goes on and on. It's a win-win situation for the individual and the state.

Ok, you guys make sense, didn't ever think about future taxes, living standards, etc.

How about the basic tenet of what should be a free society? You must work for your living standard. If you want to go to college you should work for it. I shouldn't be paying for your college at all.

You want our already socialist state to become even more so? To see how that turns out, see USSR and Venezuela .

People should be able to voluntarily help, but the state forcing compulsory subsidies is retarded. Life, liberty, property.

Well, what about the greater good? This funding may be needed to help people start doing things, the goal is that in the future they will give back more than what they took to get there.

 

[ViviTheMage]

wth, each credit at my CC is like ... 125$..so 125x12 credits, thats one semester.

looks cheap over there.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

1) to use the republican ideal of trickle-down economics: by making the work-force capable of doing jobs that are of higher economic value (and also earn them more money to spend), we all benefit in the long run. so whether you are conservative or liberal, you should support it, though for different reasons.

2) there is a big difference when you figure in the cost of books, parking permits, etc, and then figure in the high cost of living in CA. $240 twice a year is possible while still supporting yourself. that extra $1100+ a year could easily make it impossible for some students to attend.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

Umm, yeah there is, lets go see what percent of harvard graduates are millionares and what percent of community college graduates are, i'm pretty certain there will be a HUGE difference. A good college provides soo many benefits over a bad one that its not even funny. First off you are taught be better teachers, you are foreced to adopt a more strict studing regiment, you get a big name or your diploma, and you get well contected contacts. Its true to a good extent that 5 years out of college people are gonna be looking more at your on the job experience than your college GPA, but you are sure as heck gonna get alot better starting job with a big name degree.

I coulda gone to a state school for free, but instead i went to the second most expensive university in the country, and I fully expect it to be worth every penny (which btw is alot less pennies than the full tuition due to financial aid, but the point is still valid).

This is the only important difference. You can learn the same material and develop the same study habits anywhere - even by yourself at home. Big name schools are only worthwhile because you meet well connected people.

No, it isn't. There are many differences between schools.

I find that a smarter student body (which you will likely have at a "better" school) will make the material learned in class more challenging. Schools have different courses based on the ongoing research areas they are predominant in. The name recognition greatly aids in job searching. Etc.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: skypilot

You want our already socialist state to become even more so? To see how that turns out, see USSR and Venezuela .

Da comrade! Tovarich.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

1) to use the republican ideal of trickle-down economics: by making the work-force capable of doing jobs that are of higher economic value (and also earn them more money to spend), we all benefit in the long run. so whether you are conservative or liberal, you should support it, though for different reasons.

2) there is a big difference when you figure in the cost of books, parking permits, etc, and then figure in the high cost of living in CA. $240 twice a year is possible while still supporting yourself. that extra $1100+ a year could easily make it impossible for some students to attend.

trickle down has been proven to not work. instead of spending the money on the returns, people generally save it.

 

[Zolty]

I am paying 198/credit, quit your bitching.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

Umm, yeah there is, lets go see what percent of harvard graduates are millionares and what percent of community college graduates are, i'm pretty certain there will be a HUGE difference. A good college provides soo many benefits over a bad one that its not even funny. First off you are taught be better teachers, you are foreced to adopt a more strict studing regiment, you get a big name or your diploma, and you get well contected contacts. Its true to a good extent that 5 years out of college people are gonna be looking more at your on the job experience than your college GPA, but you are sure as heck gonna get alot better starting job with a big name degree.

I coulda gone to a state school for free, but instead i went to the second most expensive university in the country, and I fully expect it to be worth every penny (which btw is alot less pennies than the full tuition due to financial aid, but the point is still valid).

Holy crap dude. You should see if that expensive ass school you attend has Gregg reference and a dictionary. I went to a CC so people expect my spelling and punctuation to be lousy. You have no excuse.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: zerocool1

trickle down has been proven to not work. instead of spending the money on the returns, people generally save it.

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I agree with you that trickle down economics as modeled by past presidents does not work. I don't even really believe that this is trickle down economics.

I do know that when people earn more, pay more taxes and buy more services that the economy and the people as a whole benefit.

 

[DaveSimmons]

CA has income tax and sales tax. WA just has sales tax. WA colleges still get a good amount of subsidies from the state but the tax base is smaller so it's a slice of a smaller pie.

Ask your parents to pay the difference since they don't have to pay state income taxes

 

[Jinru]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
WA State resident here. I pay about $900 for 15 credits at a community college. It's ridiculous.

QFT, it's still a pain when the student is the one paying all of it himself.

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: skypilot

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: JS80
1) other people shouldn't be paying for your community college
2) there is no difference between $240 and $800 for a college education in the long run

So you are the shortsighted one.

Please do explain

Education enables to lead more prosperous lives and contribute more in taxes rather than costing the government money in the long run.

Mugs is right in assessing my views on this subject. You have to look at the benefits in the long run. More taxes are one, also a better educated population will bring more money to the state. Living standards improve, people earning money spend more and support businesses, this goes on and on. It's a win-win situation for the individual and the state.

Ok, you guys make sense, didn't ever think about future taxes, living standards, etc.

How about the basic tenet of what should be a free society? You must work for your living standard. If you want to go to college you should work for it. I shouldn't be paying for your college at all.

You want our already socialist state to become even more so? To see how that turns out, see USSR and Venezuela .

People should be able to voluntarily help, but the state forcing compulsory subsidies is retarded. Life, liberty, property.

Well, what about the greater good? This funding may be needed to help people start doing things, the goal is that in the future they will give back more than what they took to get there.

I agree in the greater good. I agree in the idea that helping subsidize education for those who cannot afford it is a great thing. However, I believe that people should be free to decide whether or not they want to use their capital to do so.

I am a believer in charity, but free market charity. Like I said, the basic tenet of freedom. And, as a bonus, free market charity provides far more bang for your buck due to the invisible hand.

 

[IAteYourMother]

how the hell is that unaffordable? Don't people work?

 

[CycloWizard]

Here at Washington University, undergrads pay about $1,800 per unit. I'm only here because I pay $0 for my grad units.

 

[cavingjan]

State subsidizing of education will break even if you know the graduates are going to stay in the state to pay for the future students. It doesn't however help if those students leave for another state so they can avoid paying the higher taxes.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: skypilot

How about the basic tenet of what should be a free society? You must work for your living standard. If you want to go to college you should work for it. I shouldn't be paying for your college at all.

You want our already socialist state to become even more so? To see how that turns out, see USSR and Venezuela .

People should be able to voluntarily help, but the state forcing compulsory subsidies is retarded. Life, liberty, property.

Why not end state funding of elementary school, jr. high and high school then? Ever child in school has a parent, that parent should be responsible for paying for their child's education. Of course many could not afford it, and most of them would end up on welfare - but at least they had to work for that standard of living.

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Here at Washington University, undergrads pay about $1,800 per unit. I'm only here because I pay $0 for my grad units.

$1800? Sure about that? That's $57,600 a year for 16 credits a semester.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: uberman
I believe education is important and people should have access to it.

Community colleges in CA, San Francisco Bay Area are $20.00 a unit. A full load at 12 units would be $240.00. The same at a community college in Washington state is $800.00. Why? Aren't high tuitions foolish and shortsided? Isn't there a greater long term benefit to education?

I have several degrees. My first one is from a community college. I then transfered those credits to a 4 year college. I think this is the best way, because general education classes are packed at universities and community colleges are cheap. That's just my opinion.

You're not getting your money's worth. I weep for the future.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: uberman
I believe education is important and people should have access to it.

Community colleges in CA, San Francisco Bay Area are $20.00 a unit. A full load at 12 units would be $240.00. The same at a community college in Washington state is $800.00. Why? Aren't high tuitions foolish and shortsided? Isn't there a greater long term benefit to education?

I have several degrees. My first one is from a community college. I then transfered those credits to a 4 year college. I think this is the best way, because general education classes are packed at universities and community colleges are cheap. That's just my opinion.

You're not getting your money's worth. I weep for the future.

Thank you. It's funny how we may type a word realizing that it means something else, "shortsighted" is correct.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Ryan
In florida - scholarships are available to EVERY high school student that graduates with a 3.0 gpa or better. Get a 3.5, and the Bright Futures Scholarship covers 100%, 3.0 and they cover 75%.

How can Florida afford such if there's no state income tax?

It's funded through the State Lottery.

So it's funded by both the poor & the stupid. No wonder why education is in such shambles these days.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Wow...12 units/credits is considered to be a full load? HTH do you get an AA/AS degree that requires 60 units in just 4 semesters? ( I know, summer semseter for some of the general ed crap)Sheesh, I'm looking at 15 units this semester, and considering another class, just to fill up my days...although reality MAY bite me in the arse however, and I'll end up dropping one of those classes, in order to keep up in the others...time will tell...

You're assuming semesters first of all. The two community colleges I was in here in Washington were both on quarters. So, full time was 15 credits, classes were 3 or 5 credits each usually, and 90 was required for a AA/AS. Anything between 12 and 18 was full time.

However, on semesters (where a class is 3 credits usually) yes 12 credits is still considered full time. 12-15 is the usual range.

On quarters anything under 20 or 21 credits a term is doable, though definitely full if you're serious. I've done 35, wasn't fun, don't recommend it. On semesters 18 is about all you should tackle. I've tried 24, didn't like it much. Of course it also matters what you're taking. Most of my community college classes were pretty simple, but the two integrative studies quarters I took were brutal - way more work than the credits suggested. Similarly my senior seminar was only 3 credits but took the work of about 12 credits.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Yeah, community college here is about $80/credit, though I only pay $60/credit as a vet. On the good side you don't pay much more than that at the universities either. WSU is about $7k a year tuition.