Why Don't We Have a Good Smartwatch?

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Tom

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The wrist watch never did make a lot of sense even to tell time.

What I think we need is a tiny pocektable key fob remote control so we can interact with our phone without taking it out of our pocket, and get the info via a BT headset.

We could do all the interaction via voice commands, but when it's not possible to talk, a tiny remote with4 or 5 assignable buttons means we could check email, get our location, check the weather, etc., without speaking.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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The wrist watch never did make a lot of sense even to tell time.

What I think we need is a tiny pocektable key fob remote control so we can interact with our phone without taking it out of our pocket, and get the info via a BT headset.

We could do all the interaction via voice commands, but when it's not possible to talk, a tiny remote with4 or 5 assignable buttons means we could check email, get our location, check the weather, etc., without speaking.

You're innthe minority like me. I've observed many, many, "youts " with smartphones and can count the number who ever put them in a pocket on one hand.
 

Joe1987

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I want to want a watch, but the reality is that a bigger screen (like a phone, even a small one) is so much more useful than what's out there now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtg10Gbale8#t=38

Something with a concave back, thinner than the current iPhone 5s, and a wristband sort of like the one in the video, but with the screen (super durable screen BTW) not covered up by fabric.

Full phone functionality, actually useful, rather than an affectation.
 

openwheel

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Wrist watches have become jewelry instead of tool. A digital watch will never be jewelry except for the little kids. Wearabletech will be huge but not wrist watches. Wait til Persol and Oliver Peoples start to style Apple or Google glasses, that will be the hot items. Imagine a classic timeless Aviator sunglasses that can navigate you from Prague to Berlin? Who needs heads up display or in car navigation anymore? This is exactly why I chose not to buy $2100 navigation system in my car.

Sorry but Samsung has to pry my Planet Ocean off my wrist to sell me any digital watch.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Sep 3, 2001
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didn't take off because the device isn't necessary

just have to look at the decline of portable music/media players or cameras now that phones can do all of it for you

and the first thing the cellphone doubled as before it also started replacing cameras and mp3 players was that it doubled as a clock/watch/timer...heck, I stopped bothering with a watch as soon as I got my first cell phone, there just was no need to mess with yet another gadget that didn't offer any unique and vital functionality

so until a "smartwatch" can completely replace a smartphone, I don't see it really taking off (of which, smartphones only seem to be trending to be larger to pack in bigger screens, something a watch can't really compete with), it'll just be a neat gimmick/toy, little more
 

dawheat

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So I was given a Samsung Gear and as a Pebble wearer, I was pretty excited.

1. The pairing process with my Note 3 was pretty swanky - you tap the charger to the back of your phone and it automatically downloads the Gear app and pairs it. Very easy (though normal BT pairing is easy enough as well).

2. Initially it was underwhelming mostly because of the limited notifications - but then I remembered there was a recent app update and it was easy enough to do through the Gear app. Being able to have any notification go to the Gear (like you could do with the Pebble using Pebble Notifier) has made it at minimum as good as the Pebble.

3. The screen obviously blows away the Pebble in quality. Fit and finish is great and IMO looks much better than the Pebble. It's also more comfortable, even with the aftermarket band I had on my Pebble. Both watches handled the basics at a glance - time, date, and weather - but the Gear does it more attractively.

4. The charging system is kind of stupid with a clamshell contraption that connects to a micro-USB cable. It works but I dislike any bespoke charging system (like the Pebble). Hopefully the next gen has wireless charging.

5. Battery life is better than I expected. I was able to charge the Pebble once a week and so far the Gear with the update looks like it may last half a week. I'm tracking this over the next several cycles. I'd prefer a week but I can live with 1/2 a week. The initial reports of 1 day life would have been unacceptable.

6. The gestures took a few minutes to learn but it's quite intuitive and far better than the physical buttons on the Pebble. I also found no issue with responsiveness - which contradicts some of the reviews I had read.

7. Stuff like the pedomoter is gimmicky but it's free. The only thing I miss from the Pebble is being able to advance a track in Pandora (as it doesn't respond to the double click on my headphones like Poweramp). The media player on the Gear right now only seems to control the stock music app. Hopefully the dev community starts coming up with Gear tweaks like the Pebble community.

8. Being able to answer calls in a pinch is also a pain point in the Pebble that I'm glad the Gear handles better. 80% of the time it's no problem to pull out my phone, but there are times with regularity that I wish I could quickly answer on my watch (e.g. my phone is on my desk and I'm watching TV or I'm really busy and don't want to pull out my phone). Being able to either answer via a voice command or a swipe on the watch and then bark into it (e.g. "I'm 5 min away" or tell my doorman "let the delivery person up") is convenient. I'd never want to carry on a moderate conversation obviously, but the voice quality on the other end is surprisingly good.

So to sum it up - I'm surprisingly happy with the Gear and it's much superior to the Pebble (though it obviously should be). There are a few minor things I hope grow in the ecosystem and I'm keeping an eye on battery life. If you are a smartwatch convert already like I was - then it's an easy transition. If you're not but your smartphone is your primary digital device, then I think it's worth a try.

For me, I was never interested in a regular watch as it was just jewelry IMO. I always rolled my eyes at my peers who'd show off their Daytona or some other similar hunk of metal. Smartwatches appealed to me since they could actually be useful for more than time and could complement larger phones like the Note which can sometimes be cumbersome to pull out of your pocket for just a quick glance. Glancing at my watch when I'm texted or called in a meeting is not a game changer, but it's useful on a daily basis. Smartwatches still have a way to go, especially with battery life, but even in their current form, have definite benefits.
 
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Zaap

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^ Interesting mini-review of the Gear.

Having a Note 3 I find myself wanting to like the Gear... I want to like it!


But then every time I entertain the slightest notion of actually owning one, I laugh and think to myself, "What, am I crazy? I won't be caught dead with one of those!"

I mean, I don't mind being nerdy with some things, but... a smartwatch is bordering on being embarrassingly nerdy even for a nerd.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'd change my mind. (Definitely not there yet.) Anyway, it's interesting reading the experience of someone who actually owns and uses one.
 

Imaginer

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One problem with any watch, it is in a constant exposed environment. Where I would be interacting with any liquids in close proximity of my hands (like washing them). Or even possibly contacting my wrists on various things, or bumping into things.

Having to wear what would be an expensive, redundant, limited capability for the price, additional device for charging, current smart watch devices would be cumbersome. It is only novel, but it quickly goes away once any typical logistics comes in. It is another device to remember to put on and carry. It is a luxury item to many.

Another factor, it can pose a safety hazard, much like jewelry, rings, and necklaces. Main reason why I never wear any of that.
 
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Kelvinz

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Galaxy Gear is good enough for me. I have swam with it and have no problems.

Also Samsung sold over 1 million Galaxy Gears in just 3 months.

To be waterproof, you have to seal the watch externally. This requires usually a rubber-like material. Unless tech companies make nanotech circuits, "waterproof" is not a technology, its just a bulk adding feature.
 
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Fingolfin269

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I don't think there will ever be a large enough market for these devices which is why we don't have a good one yet.
 

desura

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You know, I was thinking...

a good smartwatch would basically be a device that showed you alerts, texts, and so forth.

and that never *ever* needed to be charged. Maybe with one of those momentum energy generators along with very low power components.

That, I would be interested in.
 

dawheat

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^ Interesting mini-review of the Gear.

Having a Note 3 I find myself wanting to like the Gear... I want to like it!


But then every time I entertain the slightest notion of actually owning one, I laugh and think to myself, "What, am I crazy? I won't be caught dead with one of those!"

I mean, I don't mind being nerdy with some things, but... a smartwatch is bordering on being embarrassingly nerdy even for a nerd.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'd change my mind. (Definitely not there yet.) Anyway, it's interesting reading the experience of someone who actually owns and uses one.

Heh, I never cared much about what people thought about my gadgets, but certainly from working in the SF Bay Area for over a decade and now recently in Manhattan, I actually get a lot of interested questions from co-workers and acquaintances about these watches. First the Pebble (oh is that the Samsung watch?) and now the Gear (oh is that the Samsung watch?).
 

lopri

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Can't say much about this topic because I haven't worn a watch for a long time. I know it's matter of getting used to but at this point it really feels like a shackle. I have seen a few others who stopped wearing watches, so IMO I am not alone thinking watches are passé. XD
 

dawheat

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Duh moment - the media controller on the watch will automatically control whatever media player is active on your phone. So if Pandora is running in the background, it'll control Pandora. If nothing is running, it'll launch the stock music player.

Surprisingly "smart" from Samsung as I initially just assumed they did their norm by having it only control their own player.

Oh and the camera on the watch is pointless - I hope they drop it from the next rev.
 

KeithTalent

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I don't see the point of smartwatches. I don't want to spend more money on another device when my smartphone can do everything just fine. Having said that, the only "smartwatch" to catch my attention is the Basis B1. Not your traditional smartwatch, it's more a health monitor tool.

This is the one I am interested in from a features/performance perspective, but since I like my regular watch so much I would like something more discreet that I can just wear on my other wrist. I would get a Fuel band, but with no Android app, it just does not make sense. A shame too because I quite like the device and Nike's overall Fuel/fitness interface they have going on.

KT
 

02ranger

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Can't say much about this topic because I haven't worn a watch for a long time. I know it's matter of getting used to but at this point it really feels like a shackle. I have seen a few others who stopped wearing watches, so IMO I am not alone thinking watches are passé. XD

Definitely not alone in your thinking. Everybody in my family knew me as the guy with a dozen watches. I loved them, mostly as gadgets, but for the last year or two I haven't worn a watch (except on special occasions) because of my smartphone. It just seems redundant to have a device used solely for time and date when my phone already has both and is usually much more accurate, too. That being said, if a good enough smart watch were released at a decent price, I'd definitely consider buying one. But it would need to be waterproof and VERY tough at a minimum.
 

tuan209

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I find my Pebble pretty useful and I think I would like the Galaxy Gear too!

I use my Pebble mostly during when I snowboard. The ability to check text, emails, calls, etc is great. I can even make calls with the Pebble via Pebble dialer and turn on the speaker phone without ever having to take the phone out of my pocket.

There are still some kinks to be worked out of smartwatches, but I see a ton of potential.

I never wore watches ever and I am constantly wearing my Pebble more and more so that should tell you something!
 

Bateluer

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Motorola had a great first effort a year and a half ago with the MotoACTV, though it was primarily a fitness accessory. If they'd continued the product, I definitely could have seen it being the premiere smartwatch today.
 

Rottie

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Smartwatch for what? I check my clock on my iPhone all the times because smartphone always go with you everywhere.
 

Mopetar

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Motorola had a great first effort a year and a half ago with the MotoACTV, though it was primarily a fitness accessory. If they'd continued the product, I definitely could have seen it being the premiere smartwatch today.

I think for any smart watch to succeed it needs to at least have all of the capabilities of something like the Fitbit. It also needs a display that's usable outside in bright sunlight. Otherwise it's just a useless accessory.
 

MrSquished

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it will take a few years for smartwatches to get real good. plus we need some advances in battery technology if we want very effective smartwatches to be good. they will take more power most likely. i too would like to be able to see what my notification is without having to take my phone out. as someone said there is a ton of potential, it will just take a few iterations to start getting to the good ones.

as to wearing watches today, i like knowing what time it is without having to take out my phone. which means i'm really going to like knowing who just sent me an email or text without having to do anything else but glance at my wrist. i need to know what time to be somewhere often enough, or want to know how much time is left of something. it happens enough that i enjoy its convenience being right there with a flick of the wrist. so convenient to me. secondary it is also a fashion accessory.
 
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Imp

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The wrist watch never did make a lot of sense even to tell time.

What I think we need is a tiny pocektable key fob remote control so we can interact with our phone without taking it out of our pocket, and get the info via a BT headset.

We could do all the interaction via voice commands, but when it's not possible to talk, a tiny remote with4 or 5 assignable buttons means we could check email, get our location, check the weather, etc., without speaking.

Begs the question why one even needs a remote anything for an already minute device that's light as hell and only as big as a wallet.

Suddenly I am feeling the Bluetooth headset fad that is already dead. Most people I see nowadays talk using wired headphones with a big built-in.
 
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