Why don't we revamp English language to be more phonetic?

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ViRGE

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The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short).

In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c." Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik emthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like fotograf" 20 persent shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by " v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru.
 

marvdmartian

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On the other hand, we could simply take school teaching back to the 3 R's, and actually TEACH the children things that will help them out in life, instead of molly-coddling them, teaching them to be politically correct, and insisting that each and every one of them is no more or less good than the others.

We have bred a bunch of morons who think they don't have to do anything to obtain praise and adoration.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I'm sorry, I'm allergic to white bread-onics. Language reflects society AND is shaped by it. I speak a number of languages including Intarwebese and I say fuck those people who're too lazy to learn who they're trying to communicate to.
 

grrl

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I'm half serious. I also speak Korean (one of the youngest and modern language, derived and improved from Chinese) and Korean language is very phonetic.

I think you mean to say the writing system is one of the youngest. Much Korean vocabulary came from Chinese, but many linguists put Korean in the Altaic family. It's not a derivative of Chinese.
 

KingstonU

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Haven't read the whole thread, but knowing 4 languages here and feel strongly about this topic as well. All 4 that I know have ridiculous rules, and ridiculous exceptions to rules.

Some prince somewhere had a lisp and couldn't pronounce some words properly and was ridiculed so they re-wrote how those words are pronounced, ignoring normal grammatical rules so that it was law to pronounce it that way (I believe it was Spanish language that this actually happened to).

I believe that a language is a tool used primarily to communicate, and to be more effective at communicating a language should be designed as efficient and intuitive as possible. If a rule in the language is not intuitive and consistent is should be removed.

I would love to see the human race eventually form a new language with the above criteria that is universally used for all. I believe the perfect language would have the best aspects of many current languages. If people do not like this 1-language-for-all then at least re-write the current languages to remove some of the nonsensical and unintuitive details to improve them.
 

HeXen

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I pheel l33t when I sees da retards dat no no how ta youse "then" and "than" properly. Same 4 "their", "there", an "they're".

its laziness of the keyboard. i say their for everything cause its quicker for me to type. The point of communication is that you understand what their trying to say.
see, you knew i was saying it as they are or they're anyway in that last sentence...so what fking difference does it matter. You even purposefully wrote your post retarded and i could easily read it as intended...its simple duh for anyone who can read english.
 

SSSnail

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LET ARE KIDS WALK!


Yeah, I think the goal here is to progress, not regress.

Edit: why don't you learn English?
 
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Jeff7

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Screw that, I'd like to make it more searchable or indexable.
And fewer homonyms.

Put a bank in an airplane. Then you can do your banking before banking hard and crashing into a bank built on the side of a bank.
Dawg.

There are two uses as nouns there, and two as verbs. All share the same base word, and the same pronunciation.
 

Lithium381

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don't forget the dipthongs that are prevalent but not disclosed with our writing system.

"kite" is pronounced "kait" wtf us up with that
 

Lithium381

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Pandering to the dumb makes me sad.


has nothing to do with being dumb, the english language is so flexible and has roots in both germanic and romantic(french) language bases. spelling has not kept up with current pronunciation.

knife used to be pronounced in that way, K-nife likely with a gutteral k.
 

Taejin

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I'm half serious. I also speak Korean (one of the youngest and modern language, derived and improved from Chinese) and Korean language is very phonetic.

95%~ of the time it's pronounced the way it is spelled with designated fixed vowel characters. I can literally teach you how to read Korean in 10 minutes.

Now, I don't give a shit about Korean language, neither do you. But it gives an example that our language doesn't have to behave our current way.

Why can't English be more like this? I was terribly appalled when I was learning English and even adults couldn't spell certain words.

1. You got your unnecessary double letter spellings (fucking 'unnecessary', mississppi, appreciate).

2. Vowels that sound different on every occasion (Apple, fAther, fAme, etc).

3. Then you have pure retarded arbitrary spellings like Sa(l)mon, De(b)t, etc...

Can we clean it up a little bit? It's chaotic. And yes that's pronounced Kayotic.
Since the publication of the article of Ramstedt in 1928, some linguists[4] support the hypothesis that Korean can be classified as an Altaic language or as a relative of proto-Altaic. Korean is similar to the Altaic languages in that they both lack certain grammatical elements, including articles, fusional morphology and relative pronouns. However, linguists agree today on the fact that typological resemblances cannot be used to prove genetic relatedness of languages[5] as these features are typologically connected and easily borrowed.[6] Such factors of typological divergence as Middle Mongolian's exhibition of gender agreement[7] can be used to argue that a genetic relationship is unlikely.[8]
The hypothesis that Korean might be related to Japanese has had some supporters due to some apparent overlap in vocabulary and similar grammatical features that have been elaborated upon by such researchers as Samuel E. Martin[9] and Roy Andrew Miller.[10] Sergei Starostin (1991) found about 25% of potential cognates in the Japanese-Korean 100-word Swadesh list, which—if valid—would place these two languages closer together than other possible members of the Altaic family.[11]
Other linguists, most notably Alexander Vovin, argue, however, that the similarities are not due to any genetic relationship, but rather to a sprachbund effect and heavy borrowing especially from ancient Korean into Western Old Japanese.[12] A good example might be Middle Korean sàm and Japanese asa ‘hemp’.[13] This word seems to be cognate, but while it is well-attested in Western Old Japanese and Northern Ry&#363;ky&#363;, in Eastern Old Japanese it only occurs in compounds, and it is only present in three subdialects of the South-Ry&#363;ky&#363;an dialect group. Then, the doublet wo ‘hemp’ is attested in Western Old Japanese and Southern Ry&#363;ky&#363;. It is thus plausible to assume a borrowed term.[14] See East Asian languages for morphological features shared among languages of the East Asian sprachbund, and Classification of Japonic for further details on the discussion of a possible relationship.

Altaic is a proposed language family that includes the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Japonic language families and the Korean language isolate.[1] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe (Turks, Kalmyks).[2] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia.


Derivative of Chinese not found. Where's your source for the Korean language being a Chinese language derivative?
 
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In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20&#37; shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

I find it scary that it is so easy to read. But there is still English pronunciation in it. Germanic languages are not phonetic either. They might have been once, i do not know... But are certainly not now.
 

Zeze

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Derivative of Chinese not found. Where's your source for the Korean language being a Chinese language derivative?

Are you Korean? If you write, speak, and possess intimate knowledge of Korean, you can see everywhere that it's based on Chinese. Your statement is like saying English derived from Spanish because of similar pronunciations, but in fact both are derivative of Germanic and Latin.

Koreans root words are based on 'Hanja' which means traditional Chinese characters. Same goes for 'Kanji' for Japanese, which is the same. For example:

The word Generation is &#49464;&#45824; (Seh-Dae) in Korean, &#19990;&#20195; (Se-Dai) in Japanese. They are similar because of their parent language Chinese which is &#19990;&#20195; (Shi-Dai).
Generation in Spanish is Generaci&#243;n. They are similar because of their parent etymology Latin which is Gener&#257;re.

Did they so-called western linguists fail to see such an obvious concept?
 
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