Question Why DVI???

[tcsenter]

DVI I think got caught up in some kind of standards disagreement that delayed DVI 2.0 and allowed DP and HDMI to steal it's thunder, or is my memory misapplying that story from some other standards wrangling?

I way prefer the secure physical connector of DVI especially to often tenuous easy to dislodge HDMI. DP fits more snugly though no latches or screws.

 

[Joe NYC]

yup yup love me some burn in!

You just have to keep moving in your FPS games. You can't just be a sniper on top of the hill and get a monitor burn in...

 

[Joe NYC]

DVI I think got caught up in some kind of standards disagreement that delayed DVI 2.0 and allowed DP and HDMI to steal it's thunder, or is my memory misapplying that story from some other standards wrangling?

I way prefer the secure physical connector of DVI especially to often tenuous easy to dislodge HDMI. DP fits more snugly though no latches or screws.

It had to do with encryption.

DVI eventually was killed as an offering of PC industry to Hollywood...

 

[A///]

You just have to keep moving in your FPS games. You can't just be a sniper on top of the hill and get a monitor burn in...

Who said anything about games? you can get burn in of your desktop. not all of spend our days playing video games like ou guys.

 

[Shmee]

Who said anything about games? you can get burn in of your desktop. not all of spend our days playing video games like ou guys.

Ah, sounds like a dreary existence.

 

[Ranulf]

It had to do with encryption.

DVI eventually was killed as an offering of PC industry to Hollywood...

Oh yeah, the HDCP stuff.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I bought a DVI cable a few months on Amazon because it was a high quality cable on sale. It was only $4 or 5 and it's thick cable and 15' long. I have every kind of adapter you can think of. VGA to DVI, HDMI to DVI and more. I was looking through my workshop in the garage and found several more high quality DVI cables.

Amazon.com

 

[Insert_Nickname]

As an aside, the big OEMs really screwed up the transition to DP. Dell kept shipping DVI only(or DVI/VGA) monitor way too long, after most business desktops had switch their digital outputs to DVI.

Yeah. I remember having to use Displayport-to-DVI adaptors for some Optiplexses (7010?, think it was Ivy Bridge-based) 10-odd years ago. But they -did- have dual Displayport output from the IGP, which was very nice for the time.

 

[mv2devnull]

Yeah. I remember having to use Displayport-to-DVI adaptors for some Optiplexses (7010?, think it was Ivy Bridge-based) 10-odd years ago. But they -did- have dual Displayport output from the IGP, which was very nice for the time.

Last Fall I was looking at Dells, Optiplex and S2721DS(?) for office. The Optiplex had Displayports. The monitor had one DP and two HDMI ... and only HDMI cable. Did I already mention that the computer had no HDMI? Yes, buy computer and display, but buy cable separately to connect them. (You can keep the useless HDMI cable.)

IMHO, something in that was a bit fishy.

 

[igor_kavinski]

IMHO, something in that was a bit fishy.

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Nothing fishy

 

[aigomorla]

n ideal monitor, you would want OLED,

Oh god no... OLED has its bucket of issues, especially with autodimming if your using multi screens, and its always need to screen cleaning when the thing goes to sleep for X amount of min.

I had one, and im so glad i went over to VA, and moved the OLED to a Shield TV setup.

yup yup love me some burn in!

Nah today's OLED's unless your really stupid with them have excellent burn in protection.
For example, LG has a pixel shifter, where if it notices the screen is static, it will shift the pixels.
It also has auto dimming, where if it notices you have too many whites, it will dim the hell out of the screen.

PC Monitor OLED's also have the most annoying "Screen Cleaning" which always happens after the thing goes to sleep, resetting all the windows you had on that screen onto another monitor.

Gah, i can go on and on about why OLED's are more pain then they are worth.
For PC, a Mini-LED with 1000+ FALD Zones is probably more ideal, and if or whenever MicroLED's come out, they will displace OLED for PC market.

Oh yeah, the HDCP stuff.

Stupid Hollywood and Game Developers however never learn, they can not outsmart the younger generation when they are hell bent to break something tho.

HDCP works about as well as DRM, which is near pointless, and only hurts the legal users.
Not going to get anymore into this, as it would be a violation of TOS.

 

[A///]

Nah today's OLED's unless your really stupid with them have excellent burn in protection.
For example, LG has a pixel shifter, where if it notices the screen is static, it will shift the pixels.
It also has auto dimming, where if it notices you have too many whites, it will dim the hell out of the screen.

PC Monitor OLED's also have the most annoying "Screen Cleaning" which always happens after the thing goes to sleep, resetting all the windows you had on that screen onto another monitor.

Gah, i can go on and on about why OLED's are more pain then they are worth.
For PC, a Mini-LED with 1000+ FALD Zones is probably more ideal, and if or whenever MicroLED's come out, they will displace OLED for PC market.

That may be so but even lg's switch to deuterium and the tango tech you talk about isn't quite saving their hide long term. With enough hours in it will show up. set that tv up at your nan and grandads or your parents if they're old enough to sit in front of the tv all day and have it set onto a channel with static visuals most of the day. with enough hours it'll burn in.

 

[aigomorla]

That may be so but even lg's switch to deuterium and the tango tech you talk about isn't quite saving their hide long term. With enough hours in it will show up. set that tv up at your nan and grandads or your parents if they're old enough to sit in front of the tv all day and have it set onto a channel with static visuals most of the day. with enough hours it'll burn in.

I guess it also depends on what generation the OLED is.
For example, i have heard its very very difficult, unless your literally using it as a PC monitor and have the task bar up, to burn a G2 or a G3 TV, as it has a specialized heatsink to help prevent burn in, as well as allow it to to glow brighter.

LG OLED G2 vs C2: What are their differences? - TV HiFi Pro in English

We compare the LG OLED G2 and C2 TVs that include the improved Evo panel and we tell you what the differences are between them.

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Does the LG C2 have heatsink?

Heatsink can play an important role in displays, but does the LG C2 have it? We take a closer look under the hood...

www.videogamer.com

But on the C1 and even some C2's i hear its possible with the LG Smart TV menu up and you disable sleep.

 

[A///]

I guess it also depends on what generation the OLED is.
For example, i have heard its very very difficult, unless your literally using it as a PC monitor and have the task bar up, to burn a G2 or a G3 TV, as it has a specialized heatsink to help prevent burn in, as well as allow it to to glow brighter.

LG OLED G2 vs C2: What are their differences? - TV HiFi Pro in English

We compare the LG OLED G2 and C2 TVs that include the improved Evo panel and we tell you what the differences are between them.

en.tvhifipro.com

But on the C1 and even some C2's i hear its possible with the LG Smart TV menu up and you disable sleep.

LG swapped the gasses about 2-3 years ago. We can discuss semantics all day long but burn in will still happen exposure over time. It is not something you can eliminate with oled. Leave it on cnn or fox for example with static displays and it'll burn in over time. the newer tech that "cleans" is impressive but it's not the magic solution. We use and this may be wrong by now since I've been on paid sabbatic for about a year but we use lg and samsung oleds that are on about 7-8K hours a year. They get recycled every year because of the burn in. Not cheap models either. The remaining 30-33 days they're off in accumulated holidays where the entire company is offline.

Ownership length has no bearing until you consider the number of ON hours when an image is displayed, My home monitors are not oled but they're on for about 5K hours a year going by how long I've had them and how little I never turn them on while I'm at the desktop or an open browser. years ago about 20 or so you'd typically trash a monitor after around 10k hours total because the accuracy wasn't there anymore. dunno what the latest stuff is like but I'm not chancing a 3-4 grand on monitors only to see them look like junk barely 2 years in or one year.

 

[mv2devnull]

Nothing fishy

[Movie trailer narrator]: In a world, where computers of same vendor had no HDMI connectors ...

 

[igor_kavinski]

[Movie trailer narrator]: In a world, where computers of same vendor had no HDMI connectors ...

They probably overbought millions of HDMI cables and needed to give them away

 

[igor_kavinski]

the newer tech that "cleans" is impressive but it's not the magic solution.

I don't understand why they are scared to do a "screen sweep" just before the interval expiry where burn-in is most likely to happen due to static onscreen elements. They don't even have to sweep the whole screen. Suppose the CNN logo can just warble a bit every few minutes to make the pixels change.

The feature is on by default but if you try to turn it off, you get a very clear warning of the consequences. "This safety feature is designed to protect your screen from DAMAGE (in BOLD RED letters)". Then it's the user who is responsible for any future burn-in since they turned the safety feature off. Why don't these megacorporations have "logical" people like me in their midst?

 

[Heartbreaker]

HDCP works about as well as DRM, which is near pointless, and only hurts the legal users.
Not going to get anymore into this, as it would be a violation of TOS.

There really wasn't much point breaking HDCP. People just break the DRM in the software (Blu Ray or Streams) so they have no need to record the output of HDMI.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Stupid Hollywood and Game Developers however never learn, they can not outsmart the younger generation when they are hell bent to break something tho.

HDCP works about as well as DRM, which is near pointless, and only hurts the legal users.
Not going to get anymore into this, as it would be a violation of TOS.

I'm going to have to agree with that.

There really wasn't much point breaking HDCP. People just break the DRM in the software (Blu Ray or Streams) so they have no need to record the output of HDMI.

There really isn't much point in HDCP at all. Eventually, the video has to be decoded to a point where you get an actual picture and actual sound out of it. Or you'd be watching static on your screen and hearing static in your speakers. Nobody has quite figured out yet how to get humans to perceive encrypted stuff directly. (Yet...?)

At that point it can be recorded.

 

[Leeea]

Just out of curiosity - what is the point of DVI ports? Why not standardize on DP & HDMI? How many standards do we need?

Because DVI is better. Continued development on DVI would have always yielded a better port. More spacing on the pins, and the thicker wires allowed more spacing internally and less cross talk.


Why Display port and HDMI?
They are inferior. But they offer copyright protection that is harmful to the consumer. Which is the killer feature that really matters.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Why Display port and HDMI?
They are inferior. But they offer copyright protection that is harmful to the consumer. Which is the killer feature that really matters.

Eh, you can do HDCP over DVI easily enough. My old (dual link DVI + Displayport) monitor is plenty capable of that. It's independent of the physical port.

Except for VGA. No HDCP since it's analog.

 

[kschendel]

Im scared to even ask the OP how old he is to not remember DVI.
It wasn't that long ago, or is it that we all here that know it are just too old.

DVI is practically yesterday.

When we moved a couple months ago, I left my old Sun 13w3 trinitron CRT monitor for the new owners, because it was too heavy to bother with.

 

[VirtualLarry]

YEagh. Remember BNC.? for that matter, TTL?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

YEagh. Remember BNC.? for that matter, TTL?

Ungh. Do we have to?

 

[Leeea]

YEagh. Remember BNC.? for that matter, TTL?

I still use BNC ... it shows up on analog sensors.