Why exactly 2 sonic booms instead of another number?

rimshaker

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... the space shuttle of course. Very simple and specific answer to this. Just wanted to get a feel for the intelligence in this forum....
 

CTho9305

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<< ... the space shuttle of course. Very simple and specific answer to this. Just wanted to get a feel for the intelligence in this forum.... >>


we are a highly trained elite group, and look down on your pathetic question j/k

boom #1 = nose. #2 = tail/end of shuttle.

everything has 2... but normally they're too close together to notice

hmm... I bet if a 747 went hypersonic (or even mach 2-3) you'd get more than 2 sonic booms, since much of the wings would be out of the first cone, so the leading and trailing edges of each wing would create some "cones" of their own. of course, I haven't yet seen any 747 that can do speeds like that (as in, it would get ripped apart)
 

silverpig

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The wings of a 747 would be ripped off by the sound cone. That's why all fighters have swept wings, (F-14 is a good example... 747-esque wings for slow speeds, then swept back for high speeds). But, if you could construct something that could withstand those shocks, then yeah, you'd probably get more.
 

CTho9305

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edited... I originally noted that, but must have deleted it. a 747 most certainly couldn't handle the stressees. for that matter, I doubt there is much that could handle having its wings / any surface outside the cone.
 

CTho9305

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you're basing your judgement of the whole community on the ability of one nutcase to search google to answer one question?
welcome to the forums.
 

crypticlogin

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<< you're basing your judgement of the whole community on the ability of one nutcase to search google to answer one question?
welcome to the forums.
>>



For each HT nutcase that posts, there are a few dozen non-nutcases who wish they figured it out first.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Funny, I always thought the second boom was by the government's (yes, there is only one) secret invisible spy plane that they were using the space shuttle as a coverup for. They are currently spying on me so they can get the recipe for my fried water.
 

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<< Funny, I always thought the second boom was by the government's (yes, there is only one) secret invisible spy plane that they were using the space shuttle as a coverup for. They are currently spying on me so they can get the recipe for my fried water >>




Shhhhh!!!!!! You're not supposed to know about that. Better line your walls with aluminum foil.
 

josphII

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to expand on what CTho9305 was saying -

as air rushes by the space shuttle it comes to a stagnation point on the front end of the space shuttle. this means the pressure is really high and the velocity is really low. as the air rushes around the shuttle its velocity increases and the pressure decreases. this change in pressure is the first sonic boom. now as the shuttle passes by the air goes back to normal conditions, hence the air slows down and the pressure increases to normal atmospheric conditions. this change from low pressure to atmospheric pressure is the second sonic boom!
 

MadRat

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CTho9305 had the right idea but jospII was closer.

The first Sonic boom is actually around the center of volume, not the leading edge. The location depends alot on the shape of the object. Sonic booms do not always travel in pairs.

Straight from NASA: "Sonic boom are created by air which reacts like a fluid to an aircraft as it nears the speed of sound. Air molecules are pushed aside and form a shock wave much like a boat creates a bow wave. The shock wave forms a cone of pressurized air molecules which move outward and downward to spread across the landscape along the flight path. The sharp increase of pressure is heard as the sonic boom. Sonic boom intensity is governed by several factors such as weight, size, and speed of the aircraft, plus altitude, vehicle attitude and flight path, and weather or atmospheric conditions.

There are two types of Sonic boom: N-waves and U-waves. The N-wave is generated from steady flight conditions, and its pressure wave is shaped like the letter "N." N-waves have a front shock to a positive peak overpressure which is followed by a linear decrease in the pressure until the rear shock returns to ambient pressure. The U-wave, or focused boom, is generated from maneuvering flights, and its pressure wave is shaped like the letter "U." U-waves have positive shocks at the front and rear of the boom in which the peak overpressures are increased compared to the N-wave.

The energy range of Sonic boom is concentrated in the 0.1 - 100 hertz frequency range that is considerably below that of subsonic aircraft, gunfire and most industrial noise. Duration of sonic boom is brief; less than a second -- 100 milliseconds (.100 seconds) for most fighter-sized aircraft and 500 milliseconds for the space shuttle or Concorde jetliner .

The intensity and width of a Sonic boom path depends on the physical characteristics of the aircraft and how it is operated. In general, the greater an aircraft's altitude, the lower the overpressure on the ground. Greater altitude also increases the boom's lateral spread, exposing a wider area to the boom. Overpressures in the sonic boom impact area, however, will not be uniform. Boom intensity is greatest directly under the flight path, progressively weakening with greater horizontal distance away from the aircraft flight track.

Ground width of the boom exposure area is approximately one mile for each 1,000 feet of altitude; that is, an aircraft flying supersonic at 30,000 feet will create a lateral boom spread of about 30 miles. For steady supersonic flight, the boom is described as a carpet boom since it moves with the aircraft as it maintains supersonic speed and altitude.

Some maneuvers, diving, acceleration or turning, can cause focusing of the boom. Other maneuvers, such as deceleration and climbing, can reduce the strength of the shock. In some instances weather conditions can distort sonic booms."
 

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I think some members of AT should be collecting these posts to make a book. A big book

While on the post, i watched a video of a jet figter flying supersonic with a cone of "fog" traling behind it. Correct me if i akm wring but is that because of the low pressures formed by the sonic boom or something that caused the air to condense?
 

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<< While on the post, i watched a video of a jet figter flying supersonic with a cone of "fog" traling behind it. Correct me if i akm wring but is that because of the low pressures formed by the sonic boom or something that caused the air to condense? >>



I believe it's due to a number of factors including air temp, humidity, etc. Did you ever do the experiment in highschool science where you compress a gas and then explosively decompress the gas...the container becomes very cold. I'n not a science guru but I would bet that the rapid change in pressures cause something similar to happen giving you the vapor cone.

JDJ
 

CTho9305

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hey, i just went to google and looked i mean, I had an idea... just wanted to get "confirmation"
 
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