Why firefox sucks

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: UnixFreak

table != text.

Simply because Internet Explorer defaults to the center doesn't mean it's correct.

Take it up with the W3C. Thats the standard way of centering it, like it or not. Broken record!

The text IS centered. Nobody argues that.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: UnixFreak
It amazes me how many of you can read the headline of an article, and shut your brains off there.

"why firefox sucks" and immediately you disregard the rest of the information in the article.

I am not "MIA" I am right here. I am waiting for someone to address the article, rather than their dislike for the W3C standard. You dont like the standard? fine, it doesnt change the fact that firefox doesnt adhere to it.

Its so simple it's crazy.

Glad you guys aren't religous or anything.

w3c is not the fuskng interweb. It is a standard made when IE was king. Take it and any other stupid ass 'internet standard compliancy' and shove it up your microsoft browser using ass.

Look at this anger! get some help people. Really.

You have IE-specific stuff in the CSS, without having the proper CSS in addition to it. The CSS you use contains well-known hacks to get working in IE (that is, that the reason you use them is because IE doesn't do it the right way), and you seem oblivious to this. The w3c CSS standard has things in it that the validator cannot pick out, like how you are trying to use the box model. Sticking things in odd places and overlapping them can be done on purpose--it is just coincedence that you aren't attempting to do that, and that it just happens.

And don't bet people here aren't religious. Catholicism ain't got nothin' on the FSF.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: brad

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

just because you're completely inept at using a computer is no reason to spew forth your false gospel about how your browser is "superior".

LMAO

Im new to these boards and wasnt sure if the atmosphere was supposed to be somewhat professional or curteous, i guess not. Thx for letting me know its ok to be classless.

np. welcome to ATOT

 

[xirtam]

My CSS standard is better than yours.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: CFster
http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WhyOpera">Why Opera is better. </a>

Mouse gestures>everything else!

Friend of mine has a gestures plugin for FireFox...

That's what I HATE about FireFox.

You have to get this plugin and that plugin and 30 others just to make it nearly as functional as Opera is by default.

I find it easier to spend 5 mintues disabling stuff that I don't need than spend an hour getting the stuff I do.

That's what I like about FireFox... it's not full of stuff I don't need or want.

 

[PatboyX]

personally offending readers who have yet to cross you by their preaching is a great way to get readers to yet another hack on-line "magazine!!!!!!"

seriously, though. i hate preachy people, too. but your page is sort of boring regardless of which broswer is used.
and the writing aint nothing to...well...write home about.

my only complaints with firefox are generally just a "getting used to" sort of thing.
takes a bit longer on initial opening...but because of the tabbed browsing, i dont ever really close it once its opened. and the "faster" people talk about isnt so much internet speed...for me its less damn garbage being loaded into memory for switching between programs, windows, etc. its just not as cumbersome as IE (and certainly not anywhere close to as gignatic as netscape)
i dont like installing new plug-ins but only becuase i know that means im adding more junk to it.

 

[Legendary]

Okay let's evaluate what we know:
Your page is W3C compliant.
Your page is written for the text in the box to be centered.
Firefox displays this webpage with the text in the box centered.

Conclusion: Firefox is W3C compliant.
Did I miss anything?

Edit: This post refers to the first "Firefox W3C standard debunking page"

 

[UnixFreak]

Conclusion: Firefox is W3C compliant.
Did I miss anything?

Only that conclusions drawn from assumption aren't always accurate. At least you weren't rude about it.


I didnt even say I didnt like firefox. In fact, I admit to using it in the article. As I do use it. I do like it. I just dont like the morons who preach about it like its some kind of perfect software, and jump on the bandwagon of the sacred cow. Personally, I hope it beats the crap out of IE, but I dont think the zealots are going to do anythign to help that. In fact, they may turn people away.

 

[busterTI]

Originally posted by: rh71
the whole religious movement for Firefox is the most annoying part of FF.

Isn't this what everyone that was pro-netscape saying when IE was just appearing?? repost.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: UnixFreak

Conclusion: Firefox is W3C compliant.
Did I miss anything?

Only that conclusions drawn from assumption aren't always accurate. At least you weren't rude about it.


I didnt even say I didnt like firefox. In fact, I admit to using it in the article. As I do use it. I do like it. I just dont like the morons who preach about it like its some kind of perfect software, and jump on the bandwagon of the sacred cow. Personally, I hope it beats the crap out of IE, but I dont think the zealots are going to do anythign to help that. In fact, they may turn people away.

What assumption did I make?
Your page is W3C compliant - I think you proved that yourself.

Your page is written for the text in the box to be centered (but the box itself, not centered):

Originally posted by: CompGeek01
Oh, the irony.

Excerpt from "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" (Chap. 6, pg 130) :

Although you may be tempted to believe that text-align: center is the same as the < CENTER > element, it's actually quite different. < CENTER > affected not only the text, but also centered whole elements, such as tables. text-align does not control the alignment of elements, only their inline content. Figure 6-5 illustrates this clearly.

I urge you to please look at Figure 6-5.

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Supercharged
That's a bunch of crap. Since when does text alignment center mean table alignment center?

It doesn't. Even W3C does not claim it does like he says:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#alignment-prop

Firefox displays this webpage with the text in the box centered. (But the box itself is NOT centered)- The purpose of your page was to state this as fact.

 

[BullsOnParade]

The problem, UnixFreak, is that your condescending arrogant tone in answering the number of
posters here who have tried to tell you that your web demo is a sham, has failed to dent your dense
skull. We think you are being an @ss in addition to your juvenile editorializing about FF's overly enthusiastic users.

 

[Thegonagle]

Although I do use FF as my default browser, I'm no FF zealot; however, I must join the "you're pWned" crowd, UnixFreak.

I, like everybody else, see text centering in the code (which both browsers display within the table), but no table centering code. It doesn't take a damn genius to see that. As an experiment, I added a small bit of code that results in a centered table in both browsers. Then I ran the code through the W3C validator, and it checked out as fully compliant. Then, as another experiment, I deleted the line that says "text-align: center" and viola! I got a centered table with left-aligned text within the table in both browsers, and again, the W3C validator showed that it was fully compliant.

I'd say you're the one who's not centering the table correctly, not Mozilla Firefox.

EDIT: P.S. It might be interesting to note that I don't even have a degree--yet. (But the one I'm currently working on has little to do with computers or programming.)

 

[bhanson]

UnixFreak,

You still have not addressed my post.

 

[Sunner]

I pity the poor suckers who pay you money to develop sites/backends.
Not knowing how to do stuff is fine, refusing to learn is not.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: UnixFreak
It amazes me how many of you can read the headline of an article, and shut your brains off there.

"why firefox sucks" and immediately you disregard the rest of the information in the article.

I am not "MIA" I am right here. I am waiting for someone to address the article, rather than their dislike for the W3C standard. You dont like the standard? fine, it doesnt change the fact that firefox doesnt adhere to it.

Its so simple it's crazy.

Glad you guys aren't religous or anything.

w3c is not the fuskng interweb. It is a standard made when IE was king. Take it and any other stupid ass 'internet standard compliancy' and shove it up your microsoft browser using ass.

Look at this anger! get some help people. Really.

OK Tardboy: check this link as posted before http://www2.nau.edu/~ar24/images/cssstandards.jpg

EVERY other browser makes it different than IE. So that means only IE is "standard compliant"? Do you know that semantics and syntax aren't the same? What you did is: I write can tables. The syntax is correct, but not the semantics. Idiot.

 

[bigboxes]

OP, you sound like an IE fanboy. I too was content to just use IE since web pages were coded for IE. I had all of the third part software to protect me from spyware, adware, malware, and pop-up windows installed and configured. It wasn't that I knew anything about other browsers, rather I just wanted to stick with what worked. Well, I decided to try Firefox when it came out. I missed some of the "look & feel" of IE and how I had it set up. I was able to customize FF through add-ons and skins that it's functionality is close to IE. Add in tabbed browsing and built in ad-blocking and I am fairly content. What was the real kicker for me was the time it took for pages to load. On my 3Mbps cable-internet I ran a test to go from one identical site to another identical site and timed my results. A page that took 5 seconds to load with IE took 2 seconds to load with FF. A page that took 2.5 seconds to load with IE took 1 second to load with FF. That's all I needed to know. On the rare occasion that FF has trouble accessing any feature on a web page I just fire up IE to handle it.

I'm happy using FF as my primary browser. I am happy that you are happy with IE. Can't we all just get along?

 

[tkc204]

I like firefox.. but some sites are just not for firefox. like my school site wont work properly on it. firefox is fast and nice tho. Id pick it over IE any day.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I would just like to say to everyone that IF you do use IE, at least get the Maxthon Browser. It's basically an add on over IE, using the IE engine. But the front end interface gives a lot more options and tools to use. Good stuff.

I keep it installed, but still use FF.

For me, I care less about the actual standards than I do about the customization of FireFox. With all the extensions/themes...I LOVE IT. And since I know that I have the OpenSource community behind it, it honestly makes me feel like all security exploits will be revealed and patched in a very timely manner, without having to worry about my system being compromised by exploits. You should not have to browse the web in fear of software being installed by itself.


EDIT: Ummm...yeah, after reading three pages of this thread, I see Maxthon has been mentioned a few times. Oops.




KeyserSoze

 

[MaxDepth]

From the bible:

17.5.2 Table width algorithms: the 'table-layout' property

CSS does not define an "optimal" layout for tables since, in many cases, what is optimal is a matter of taste. CSS does define constraints that user agents must respect when laying out a table. User agents may use any algorithm they wish to do so, and are free to prefer rendering speed over precision, except when the "fixed layout algorithm" is selected.

Note that this section overrides the rules that apply to calculating widths as described in section 10.3. In particular, if the margins of a table are set to '0' and the width to 'auto', the table will not automatically size to fill its containing block. However, once the calculated value of 'width' for the table is found (using the algorithms given below or, when appropriate, some other UA dependant algorithm) then the other parts of section 10.3 do apply. Therefore a table can be centered using left and right 'auto' margins, for instance.

And in a note about tables:
The following CSS rule centers the text horizontally in the header cells and presents the text in the header cells with a bold font weight

th { text-align: center; font-weight: bold }




text-align is never to be used as a method to center anything except text.


Thank you for playing.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

If you have a life, get p*ssy, and are not a nerd ; why are you in here talking about wc3 standards, firefox and html/css,

 

[S0Y73NTGR33N]

Originally posted by: ItmPls
If you have a life, get p*ssy, and are not a nerd ; why are you in here talking about wc3 standards, firefox and html/css,

Because my only girlfriend is a webpage... she uses wc3 standards...

I'd rather IE her than firefox her... she really likes it

-green

 

[DougK62]

The ownage is thick in here.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: Deeko
Firefox sucks. Just admit it. You use it to be 'geek cool'. I have no problems with spyware or any of that with IE. And my pages render properly. Fvck firefox.

N'Sync-Boy talking again.

My 10th grade music tastes have a huge impact on my current knowledge of browsers.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ItmPls
If you have a life, get p*ssy, and are not a nerd ; why are you in here talking about wc3 standards, firefox and html/css,

I do all of those things. I find it hard to understand how it applies here, or why you're even in this thread.

btw, tough talk for a guy with a high-end PC he overclocks. You're no less nerd than anyone else here.

 

[SagaLore]

Your html is nearly perfect. Except for this part:

body {
background-color: #999999;
text-align: center;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
}

text-align is not supposed to work for the div. Internet Explorer wrongly aligns everything, not just text, when using text-align. That is not part of the strict standards! If you replace your div with a table, problem solved.