Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Originally posted by: muoot
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Originally posted by: muoot
okay, EpsiIon, so you were not satisified, either.
BTW; we, by the very definition of audience (participatory or not), are not supposed to be actors. The respectable line-up of actors (voices) in HL2 were: Robert Culp, Michelle Forbes, Louis Gossett Jr., Robert Guillaume,etc. These folks were given their portion (at the least) of the script before participating. Perhaps even offered each of their character's movtivation and direction from steam/valve. We as participating audience, were not privy to these ingredients.
And, this blatant lack of even a hint of GF's purpose and motivation is just one element of why the last chapter fell flat for me. But, you don't mind don't mind waiting years for an answers and a plot. Gotcha. I guess, then, you don't have to ask why you are fired.
VIAN:
Reasons not being revealed or not, no matter how much sense it makes, if the game doesn't have a sense of completeness, then the game sucks. No use try to justify it in your heads. Even if it was a chapter of the whole, I would still like some completeness. I didn't feel this let down after each of movie of The Lord Of The Rings or the Matrix. Each had a worthy conclusion. HL2 did a complete 360 where now we are back where we started as far as the game story goes. Just another job.
Agreed. and you did a far better job articulating this point than my previous posts.
First of all, please don't try to dismiss my point of view because I said I was not "satisfied" with the ending. I
liked not being satisfied. I
liked being stunned and frustrated, feeling what our character is feeling. I
liked that Valve didn't give us the typical "hollywood ending" where everything is wrapped up.
Obviously you didn't. Ok, that's fine. But, personally, I'm honestly tired of being able to predict the ending to most movies and games.
Secondly, I simply disagree with you about actors. Shigeru Miyamoto, if I recall correctly, has stated that he thinks video games should be like "interactive movies." If this is indeed true, then what can the player be
but an
actor? If you read the definition to which I linked (esp 2a), we
are actors by virtue of the fact that we
did participate in the story. When the audience members participate, they
become actors.
This is going to sound condescending, but I don't know how else to say it: I'm sorry if you have limited your conception of (the art form that is) video games so much that you can not appreciate this.
You prefer complete unsatsifaction in a storyline. Can not discuss this point with any futher. Good for you. keep it up.
I do not ccept a unreasonable and skewed view on the the concept of
actor. I drew specific criteria (script before participating, direction, and motivation revealed to the actor, etc.) and it is disregarded. eh.
oh, and
2a specifically sites a
dramatic production which , HL2 is NOT . It is a GAME in which the audience may be participant>> or subjects. Adfditionally, one could easy watch another person play HL2 and not participate. However, the actors are in it to entertain the audience, not vice-versa.
If I am incorrect, and your broad-stroked --so open-minded that your brain falls out-- "any one who participates in a video game is an actor" is accepted and no distinctions are defined,; then, I want my paycheck and residuals $$$$$, beeeeeeach!!! :Q:shocked::laugh::thumbsup:
Arrg! I am very tempted to call you many unflattering things because not only are you wrong, but you're being very rude about it.
What are you talking about!? Half-Life 2 is not a dramatic presentation!? Let's examine the phrase, shall we? If we rephrase this "dramatic presentation" term, we can call it a "presentation of drama." Now in our search for meaning, we're going to start with a simple case, found in a thesaurus. (
Click here for
presentation synonyms). A good one is "demonstration." Can we agree that the video game Half-Life 2 is a demontration of the Half-Life 2 story? Watch as I cleverly show you how the term "story" can be interpreted to mean "drama." I'm going to use a thesaurus again for this one. Searching for
drama yields
these results. If you scroll down a bit, you'll see the term "fiction" or "story." Half-Life 2 was definitely fiction. It definitely contained a story.
Taking these two pieces and fitting them together, we see how a "dramatic presentation" can mean a "story demonstration." Even simpler, we can take the synonym for "drama" (story) and simply call Half-Life 2 a "presentation of story," which is a "dramatic presentation."
Even if you can't accept this definition of "dramatic presentation," how about you go back the word
actor? I'm talking about definition "3 : one that takes part in any affair". When you were controlling the actions of Gordon Freeman, you were
taking part in the game! Now draw the obvious conclusion.
Another thing:
You drew specific criteria for what an actor is? Well I hate to disappoint you, but the people responsible for defining words in the English language happen to
disagree with you!
In addition, your objections are doubly-offensive because I deplore the buzzword "open-minded." My point was not that you should accept everything. My point was that video games are a unique art form and if you can't appreciate the unique elements of this art form (such as allowing you to be an actor in an interactive movie), that's your loss and not mine.
Even after all this, if you disagree, I ask you this: What makes movies and video games different? There has to be a difference between an "audience member" watching a movie and an "audience member" playing a video game, or they are exactly the same. How are they different? Please explain in a calm, inoffensive manner. I did my best to remove the insults from this response and I respectfully request that you do the same in your replies.
By the way, I have a suspicion that I'm being trolled. If you continue to respond in such an ignorant and offensive manner, I will consider this suspicion confirmed and ignore you. In that case, I will be disappointed only by the fact that the AnandTech Forums do not have a "Permanently Ignore These Trolls" list.