Why Halo and the XBox controller is just as good as a k/m combo.

[mflacy]

I couldn't believe it until I played it today. K/m have always been better than using a controller. It's more accurate and easier to control.

After I cranked up Halo today, I couldn't believe how well they pulled it off.

Basically, they copied the keyboard/mouse style of play for a FPS onto the XBox controller. With your left hand, it's just like a keyboard (move/turn or move/strafe, your choice) and you can push down the stick to crouch. With your right hand, it's just like a mouse (look around and aim). Your thumb controls the aiming and looking around, while your "right-click" mouse finger hits the "fire" trigger.

I hope game developers of all the FPS games for the XBox adopt this layout for the controls. It is very effective.

As for the stubborn na-sayers, go try it for yourself. It's quite suprising..

 

[Rent]

Nay-sayer here:

The accuracy of the joysticks on the controller are far too tempermental to accuratly aim. Thats why your crosshair autoaims some of the time.

The best fps control setup I ever used on a console was with Turok on the N64. It was far more precise for games of that nature.

And nothing will ever be as precise as my optical mouse.

 

[PliotronX]

I've got to agree with Radeon. The Halo w/Xbox controls are above average, but I still prefer my Logitech mouse and sweet WASD

I also agree on Turok. When I first played GoldenEye, it was really awkward with the default 1.1 Honey control scheme, because I was so used to the Turok controls. Later I found the love of my life (figuratively), 1.2 Solitaire, and the game was awesome from then on.

 

[mrCide]

i tried it, it was horrible, i didn't even waste my time playing.. wait till it comes out for PC..

 

[atomicbomberman]

hmm.. I don't think too many people can aim very well with their thumb moving...

That's why Quake 3 can never go Console.. it'llb e a big disaster for people trying to rail...

 

[Ferocious]

Consoles are good for arcade type games. Sports games are fun also.

 

[Rage187]

"That's why Quake 3 can never go Console.. "

I thought it was already out on consoles...

 

[Rent]

<< "That's why Quake 3 can never go Console.. "

I thought it was already out on consoles... >>



Q3A is available on Dreamcast

 

[Ferocious]

Yeah Q3 on Dreamcast sucked bad.

 

[Kntx]

Once you get the hang of halo on the controller it's real good. Not as good as mouse and key, but it's not like it's ultra competative deathmatch.

 

[jeffrey]

It makes me happy to see some TUROK fans here!!

The first Turok Dinosaur Hunter game has to be one of the best gaming experiences I've had on a console, Including Goldeneye. Never forget Turok1.

 

[Rent]

All of these kids forget that most new games today just rip off older games that did the exact same things and did them damn well.

 

[DaLeroy]

<< Yeah Q3 on Dreamcast sucked bad. >>




I disagree!! It kicks some major ring hole on 4 player split screen! It's awesome fun...I'm pretty damn accurate using that little joystick. I reckon they pulled it off very well!!!

 

[Flashram]

<< All of these kids forget that most new games today just rip off older games that did the exact same things and did them damn well. >>


Yeah, Burger Time and Bubble Bobble laid the foundation for all the gaming goodness we have today.

 

[badboyeee]

i jus opened up my xbox and played halo for a couple of hours. at first i was like damn this kinda sucks, i rather play unreal. i played for 20 min then had a small break and played again. i started to get used to it. its not bad anymore and the game is pretty fun now, especially when u play co-op mode. but nothing beats using the mouse as an gun aimer

 

[Shalmanese]

Mouse movement is proportional to the displacement/angle of movement
Joystick movement is proportional to the derivitive of the displacement/angle of movement ie. the velocity of movement

If you track mose movements during a fps game, you will often find places with VERY high velocities but for modest displacements. An exemplicfication of this would be the "snap shot" pulled off in AQ2 with a Sniper and Q2 with the railgun where you actually kill a person who is not currently in your FOV because you can move your mouse and shoot in less than 1/60th of a second.

This would be impossible do on a joystick since the velocity is too high.

Put simply, the range of displacements experienced in fps's rarely exceed 360 degrees whereas the range of velocities is far greater.

 

[skace]

Well perhaps you mean it is possible to get basic K/M functionality out of Xbox w/ Halo. But when you look at my config for most FPS games you would be at ends for wear to bind so many keys, like say CS:

WASD = movement
ZXCV = buy menus
Q = Drop Weapon, E = Reload, R = Spray Logo, T = Talk. Y = Team Talk, Tab = Show Scores
F = Fashlight, G= Infravision, Shift = Jump, Space = Crouch, 1-5 = weapon binds
F2 - F5 = Auto Buys, F6 - F8 = Team radio commands
Mouse = Aiming, Using, Firing, Secondary

Plus, it is very obvious that you can aim quicker and more accurately using a mouse than a joystick. As well as being able to do quick wrist-snap moves like Rocket-Jumps off the sides of walls, etc.

 

[UberNeuman]

<< Why Halo and the XBox controller is just as good as a k/m combo. >>


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[Shalmanese]

Why Action Quake 2 will never work on a console

My config:

// movement

bind e "+forward"
bind d "+back"
bind f "+moveright"
bind s "+moveleft"
bind MOUSE2 "+moveup"
bind SPACE "+movedown"

//AQ Specific Commands

bind a "weapon"
bind w "bandage;sensitivity 12; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; bind b zoom1x" //resets sensitivity and bandages
bind c "drop case" //for CTB
bind g "drop weapon"
bind q "opendoor"
bind x "reload"
bind t "drop item"

//AQ Weapon Select
bind 3 "use MK23 Pistol"
bind 4 "use Dual MK23 Pistols; use M3 Super 90 Assault Shotgun; use M4 Assault Rifle; use Handcannon; use MP5/10 Submachinegun; use Sniper Rifle"
bind 2 "use Combat Knife"
bind 5 "use M26 Fragmentation Grenade
bind MOUSE3 "invuse; sensitivity 12; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; bind b zoom1x" //uses selected weapon with wheel mouse
bind MWHEELDOWN "invprev"
bind MWHEELUP "invnext"
bind ctrl "weapnext"

// Quake Specific Commands

bind TAB "inven"
bind ENTER "invuse"
bind ESCAPE "togglemenu"
bind [ "invprev"
bind ] "invnext"
bind ~ "toggleconsole"
bind F1 "cmd help"
bind F12 "screenshot"

// Quake misc Commands

bind MOUSE1 "+attack"
bind PAUSE "pause"
bind k "kill; say estoy muerto" //if someone shoots you in the stomach with sniper or //head with pistol/mp5

// Dent Alarm

bind / "quit"

// HandCannod Script
alias hcon "bind mouse1 hc1; bind m hcoff; echo HandCannon Script <ON>" //HC mode
alias hcoff "bind mouse1 +attack; bind m hcon; echo HandCannon Script <OFF>" // normal mode
alias hc1 "+attack; wait; reload; wait; -attack" //shoot then reload
bind m hcon

// toggle to switch between walking (quieter) and running
alias run "set cl_run 1; bind \ walk; echo Movement set to Running"
alias walk "set cl_run 0; bind \ run; echo Movement set to Walking"
bind \ walk

// Teamplay start rounds, switches to sniper and zooms in to 2x
alias snip "sensitivity 12; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; bind b zoom1x; use Sniper Rifle; bind alt snip2"
alias snip2 "sniper; bind alt snip"
bind alt snip

//auto reload

alias relo "reload;reload;reload;reload;reload;reload;reload;echo auto-reloading"
bind r relo

//sniper rifle zoom in
alias sniper "weapon;sensitivity 6;echo zooming in to 2x;bind shift 4x;bind v 1xu; bind b zoom2x"
alias 4x "weapon;sensitivity 2;echo zooming in to 4x;bind shift 6x;bind v 6xu; bind b zoom4x"
alias 6x "weapon;sensitivity 1;echo zooming in to 6x;bind shift 1x;bind v 4xu; bind b zoom6x"
alias 1x "weapon;sensitivity 12;echo zooming in to 1x;bind shift sniper;bind v sniperu; bind b zoom1x"
bind shift sniper

//sniper rifle zoom out
alias sniperu "weapon;weapon;weapon;sensitivity 1;echo zooming out to 6x;bind v 4xu;bind shift 1x; bind b zoom6x"
alias 4xu "weapon;weapon;weapon;sensitivity 2;echo zooming out to 4x;bind v 6xu;bind shift 6x; bind b zoom4x"
alias 6xu "weapon;weapon;weapon;sensitivity 6;echo zooming out to 2x;bind v 1xu;bind shift 4x; bind b zoom2x"
alias 1xu "weapon;weapon;weapon;sensitivity 12;echo zooming out to 1x;bind v sniperu;bind shift sniper; bind b zoom1x"
bind v sniperu

//Zoom out to 1x fast
alias zoom6x "weapon; echo fast zooming to 1x zoom; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; sensitivity 12"
alias zoom4x "weapon;weapon; echo fast zooming to 1x zoom; bind shift sniper;bind v sniperu; sensitivity 12"
alias zoom2x "weapon;weapon;weapon; echo fast zooming to 1x zoom;bind shift sniper;bind v sniperu; sensitivity 12"
alias zoom1x "echo already at 1x zoom;bind v sniperu;sensitivity 12; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; sensitivity 12"
bind b zoom1x

//emergency sensetivity reset key

bind z "sensitivity 12; bind shift sniper; bind v sniperu; bind b zoom1x;echo sniper and sensitivity reset"

 

[LiQiCE]

I just got my X-Box yesterday too, and while Halo is a great game, it would be even better with a keyboard/mouse combo. The developers did do a good job so it isn't terribly hard to aim and run around in Halo... It is one of the best done console FPSs that you need to use a controller with. Personally I use the opposite controls of the default ... I use the left thumbstick to freelook and the right thumbstick to move/strafe. Reasoning behind it is that I'm used to playing the N64/Dreamcast style where the analog pad on the left is used for freelook and the 4 buttons are used for movement. Too bad Microsoft didn't want a keyboard/mouse combo for X-Box ... they should have created a "pad" that just had a number pad like scheme so you could do WASD and then allow an adapter to use Microsoft optical mice! Oh well, maybe some 3rd party company will make one.

BTW- Quake 3 for Playstation 2 was controller ONLY ... No keyboard/mouse like Dreamcast had for Q3A and Unreal Tournament ... And they didn't do a good job of using the controller... That sucked big time.