Why has Bill Nye the Science Guy become an "expert"?

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Hacp

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A PhD, or at a pinch a Masters, should be the minimum you need to call yourself an expert in anything, let alone something as general as science.

Credentials aren't needed to be an expert. You just need a deep and thorough understanding of the subject. That is not something you can achieve in a one day review session.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Credentials aren't needed to be an expert. You just need a deep and thorough understanding of the subject. That is not something you can achieve in a one day review session.
Hence why I said a qualification should be required. Unless...you guys don't give out PhDs for "one day review session", do you?
 

CZroe

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OP FAIL. Nye's accomplishments are well documented and the reason for selecting him over a typical techno-babble shut-in is obvious.
 

SLCentral

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Bill Nye is the man. I go to his alma mater, and he's often on campus. He gave a speech to our dorm (only ~50 people) last semester about some of the new things hes been working on in regards to TV programming. Nothing too exciting, but still cool.
 

rockyct

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Michio Kaku has completely become the new talking head for science. He is genius, but he is also able to take the complex theories of other people, throw his futurism thoughts at that, and spit out a denatured, less volatile, far more approachable product for the masses to consume on some random night.

Dr. K is so awesome. Any topic he has covered, he has done a fairly damn good job making it extremely easy to understand without a scientific degree.

Granted, some of the theories are constantly challenged by others, and sometimes those people can explain it to laymen quite easily too. "Better" theories, but explained in a less showy way.
I really liked when Michio Kaku would go on the Screen Savers. It's nice to see he's still doing public appearances. Neil Degrasse Tyson is also popular and he's pretty interesting too.
 

Fritzo

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He's replaced Miko Kaku lately. I think he was blowing people's minds too much so they banned him from network TV.
 

manowar821

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I read a whole ton of butt-hurt, OP, but nothing really substantial.

Bill Nye earned the respect, it's not just a character he plays on TV.
 

JEDIYoda

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I don't know either. Yes, he may have an engineering degree but that doesn't make him an "expert" on any particular subject.

You would be better off keeping quiet than opening your mouth and proving what a fool you are!!
 

JEDIYoda

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Credentials aren't needed to be an expert. You just need a deep and thorough understanding of the subject. That is not something you can achieve in a one day review session.

keep opening that mouth and inserting foot...
 

Nerva

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Love Bill Nye the Science Guy, used to watch him in junior high school science class. Total coincidence to find out that he went to Cornell. Engineering degree from Cornell is tough so OP should really do more research before he speaks.
 

Bignate603

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It's not like he's wrong.

If you look at any of the resident 'experts' that the news channels keep you'll find that they all have some background in the area they represent but none of them are an 'expert' on most of the topics they report on. The person reporting on health news may be a doctor but that doesn't mean he's familiar with every single new procedure out there. The person that covers international politics may have a background in that field but they won't be up to speed on every single thing going on around the globe.

News stations pick their resident 'experts' on different subjects because they a single face to represent those kind of stories on TV. They'll have enough knowledge in the area to study the issue, discuss things with the real experts, and create a story that conveys the main points in a few minutes.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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If you look at any of the resident 'experts' that the news channels keep you'll find that they all have some background in the area they represent but none of them are an 'expert' on most of the topics they report on. The person reporting on health news may be a doctor but that doesn't mean he's familiar with every single new procedure out there. The person that covers international politics may have a background in that field but they won't be up to speed on every single thing going on around the globe.


Just because he's better than all the other pseudoscientific idiots out there, doesn't mean he automatically qualifies as an expert. I understand the idea that standards need to be lowered to start with to encourage more people like him onto networks and stuff, but calling him an expert is disrespectful and shameful to all the other, proper experts in their respective fields who have studied their particular discipline for 20+ years.
 

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Just because he's better than all the other pseudoscientific idiots out there, doesn't mean he automatically qualifies as an expert. I understand the idea that standards need to be lowered to start with to encourage more people like him onto networks and stuff, but calling him an expert is disrespectful and shameful to all the other, proper experts in their respective fields who have studied their particular discipline for 20+ years.

Who would be good enough for you?
 

Hacp

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Just because he's better than all the other pseudoscientific idiots out there, doesn't mean he automatically qualifies as an expert. I understand the idea that standards need to be lowered to start with to encourage more people like him onto networks and stuff, but calling him an expert is disrespectful and shameful to all the other, proper experts in their respective fields who have studied their particular discipline for 20+ years.

Exactly! Someone who has looked at every intricate detail about a problem is an expert. People who have a general understanding of the subject are just knowledgeable people, not experts.
 

Bignate603

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Just because he's better than all the other pseudoscientific idiots out there, doesn't mean he automatically qualifies as an expert. I understand the idea that standards need to be lowered to start with to encourage more people like him onto networks and stuff, but calling him an expert is disrespectful and shameful to all the other, proper experts in their respective fields who have studied their particular discipline for 20+ years.

So your definition of expert is some crusty old phd that probably is as interesting as watching paint dry and as understandable as a japanese game show.

They never claim that he is the absolute authority on everything. You seem to take this as some blatant insult to people doing research and I doubt that the vast majority of people you would consider experts see it that way.

I have two family members that were present at a commencement speech Bill Nye gave at RPI, a well respected engineering school in upstate NY. One has two bachelor's degrees from MIT and a graduate degree from their business school. The other recieved his doctorate in nuclear chemistry from UC Berkley, his thesis advisor was Nobel Laureate Glen Seaborg, the namesake for the element Seaborgium. Both my family members thought it was great that RPI chose to give him an honorary phd for his contributions to science education. Neither of them saw the honorary phd as an insult to all the work they did to get their advanced degrees. They both think he had been doing a great job getting information about science out to the public and I think they would feel the same way about him doing it on the news.

He may not be an expert in every single field he reports on but he is an expert in explaining things in a way that the lay person can understand them. He never claims that he knows everything about every kind of science out there.
 
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Mr. Pedantic

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So your definition of expert is some crusty old phd that probably is as interesting as watching paint dry and as understandable as a japanese game show.
You don't have to be understandable to be an expert. And you'll find that usually resorting to technical language is an attempt to convey the concept quickly and accurately. Sure, you can discuss an advanced concept in layman's terms quickly, but it usually comes at the expense of accuracy; you need to use analogies, simplifications, and omissions to make it accessible, all of which takes it further and further from the actual concept.

I have two family members that were present at a commencement speech Bill Nye gave at RPI, a well respected engineering school in upstate NY. One has two bachelor's degrees from MIT and a graduate degree from their business school. The other recieved his doctorate in nuclear chemistry from UC Berkley, his thesis advisor was Nobel Laureate Glen Seaborg, the namesake for the element Seaborgium. Both my family members thought it was great that RPI chose to give him an honorary phd for his contributions to science education. Neither of them saw the honorary phd as an insult to all the work they did to get their advanced degrees. They both think he had been doing a great job getting information about science out to the public and I think they would feel the same way about him doing it on the news.
Don't get me wrong, I think having a science correspondent who actually has such a degree a good thing, it's just that I'm uneasy with calling him an expert. Just like I know a little bit about a lot of sciences, enough to understand generally what people are talking about, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.
 

Bignate603

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You don't have to be understandable to be an expert. And you'll find that usually resorting to technical language is an attempt to convey the concept quickly and accurately. Sure, you can discuss an advanced concept in layman's terms quickly, but it usually comes at the expense of accuracy; you need to use analogies, simplifications, and omissions to make it accessible, all of which takes it further and further from the actual concept.

And using language that the lay person doesn't understand makes them inappropriate to use on television that's targeted at the general population.

Don't get me wrong, I think having a science correspondent who actually has such a degree a good thing, it's just that I'm uneasy with calling him an expert. Just like I know a little bit about a lot of sciences, enough to understand generally what people are talking about, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.

I've never seen him called an expert on any of the news clips I've seen. I don't believe he ever makes a claim that he's an expert on everything out there, though he did work in oil spill cleanup for some time which gives him more credibility in that particular area.
 
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