Why has Nvidia not replied or given any statement about Mantle?

[desprado]

Seriously why Nvidia never had any statement against Mantle.Nvidia never tried to satisfy there user against Mantle.Why Nvidia?I now u to much busy on mobiles and u have forgot about GPUS costumer.It show u dont care about mantle or ur customers.

Nvidia Wake up for god sake.First time i seen Nvidia with no response or counter.Even Mantle provide 20% performance gain through mantle than 7970 will pretty much equal to Nvidia ultra end GTX 780 which be total waste to buy.
My request as fan that plz Nvidia get back ur main focus on GPUS again and make it ur main priority or else AMD will continue take advantage of the situation

 

[SiliconWars]

Any suggestions on what they do? This is so big that they don't have any hardware or software answer coming for at least 2 years.

 

[desprado]

Any suggestions on what they do? This is so big that they don't have any hardware or software answer coming for at least 2 years.

it think pack up there [redacted] is good suggestion if dont have and reply or answer to mantle

Warning issued for profanity.
-- stahlhart

 

[imaheadcase]

Because its not a big deal, before mantle has a foot in anything nvidia will have newer GPU out already.

Keep in mind we have no idea what mantle can do, at all.

 

[Haserath]

I think the Origin PC activity counts as a response. They can't answer with much else if they weren't expecting this.

 

[Keysplayr]

I told you young grasshopper. Dont fall for the forum hype spew fest. Good luck to you.
First, wait and see what Mantle is actually capable of. Not what these forum guys "say it can do".
Seeing is believing.

 

[Sohaltang]

I am all hoping mantle is a game changer. That said who knows what it can do really. Not sure how many games will use it nor what kind of real gains we will see. At this point we dont even know what the 290x is even capable of. If I were Nvidia I would not have a response until the PC world understand if Mantle is anything to even discuss

 

[Keysplayr]

Very wise ^

 

[96Firebird]

If I were Nvidia I would not have a response until the PC world understand if Mantle is anything to even discuss

Exactly. Why waste time on a huge unknown?

 

[Rvenger]

Nvidia has their own optimizations NVAPI being one of them... and they have PhysX too which for many is essential for gaming. If AMD were to have optimizations like Nvidia, is it suddenly a crime?


IMO it pushes for better development of drivers and drives them to make better hardware as well. Its a win-win I think.

 

[Grooveriding]

If it works out for AMD, what can nvidia do ? They are not in the consoles, they have no way to get developers to use a to-the-metal API for their hardware on anywhere near the scale AMD will be able to because their architecture is in the dominant gaming platforms that are focused on optimizations; consoles. If developers on console are using Mantle already the work will be done, you're not going to be able to convince them to do additional work at additional expense just to benefit nvidia in PC games.

I could see them trying it themselves but it being relegated to the highly nvidia associated franchises, which would only be a few games, Batman, some Ubi and 4A games titles.

We'll have to wait to see the DX11 vs Mantle Battlefield 4 benches in December. If AMD can manage something respectable, say a 20% performance boost, then they'll have something that will be fairly powerful against nvidia in benchmarks. Anderrson at DICE is saying it is a significant performance advantage using Mantle in BF4, but we'll just have to wait and see the benchmarks. Hopefully some reviewers get a Mantle enabled copy of BF4 earlier than the Mantle patch release so we can get an idea sooner.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nvidia has their own optimizations NVAPI being one of them... and they have PhysX too which for many is essential for gaming. If AMD were to have optimizations like Nvidia, is it suddenly a crime?


IMO it pushes for better development of drivers and drives them to make better hardware as well. Its a win-win I think.

A crime? If I search this forum for people having an issue with Nvidias PhysX being proprietary, this forums search engine would crash the database. Are you yourself among those who had a problem with PhysX an Nvidia only option? Remember, I don't want to crash the search engine

I hope AMD hits a home run with Mantle.

 

[Sohaltang]

Exactly. Why waste time on a huge unknown?

Free advertizement for AMD? I can see the press conference now.
"We have gathered you here today to discuss our response to an unproven new tech that may or may not be relevant at all. We are currently working 24/7 on topping this new tech that may or may not kick us where it hurts. If it does I can assure you that Nvidia wont stand for this."

 

[pcslookout]

It is no big deal either way. I just want to know what the AMD 790x is capable of.

 

[SiliconWars]

If I were Nvidia I would not have a response until the PC world understand if Mantle is anything to even discuss

You can't go around waiting on results before responding to threats. All of these companies immediately enter combat mode as soon as they get wind of anything that can be a real game changer. Nvidia probably knew about Mantle a few months ago, or at least weeks ago. They had to respond then - what if it is so much faster? They'd just have wasted months or weeks waiting on results and time could be essential.

 

[Teizo]

Maybe they don't have to?

 

[SiliconWars]

Maybe they don't have to?

How quickly do you think Nvidia started writing their NV Surround drivers after catching wind of Eyefinity? Do you think they waited on results or got to it asap?

 

[Teizo]

How quickly do you think Nvidia started writing their NV Surround drivers after catching wind of Eyefinity? Do you think they waited on results or got to it asap?

Working behind the scenes and making public announcement are different things entirely.

The quickest way to give credibility to the forum hype of Mantle is for Nvidia to make a public response.

When a little dog is barking behind the fence at a big dog, the big dog 99% of the time minds his own business and goes on his merry way as if...

(Just an analogy...so people don't get butt hurt over it, ok?)

Like others have mentioned, it would be good for AMD if Mantle does pan out, but there is no reason whatsoever for Nvidia to make a public response and show their hands.

 

[SiliconWars]

Back when AMD first let us know about Eyefinity, Nvidia made the claim that they had been sitting on the idea for a while and were working on it. 9 months later it arrived.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2918/7

I have no doubt we'll eventually get a similar claim from them in 12-18 months time, a few months before they are ready with their own "to the metal" API. I've thought long and hard about it, they really can't afford to just ignore Mantle and their response will be a mix of stalling and black ops until their own API is ready, probably sometime in 2015.

 

[Haserath]

Exactly. Why waste time on a huge unknown?

Is it an unknown to them? They have software engineers that optimize for a living.

They should be the best third party to know what Mantle is capable of. If Mantle had no benefit, AMD wouldn't be pushing it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Any suggestions on what they do? This is so big that they don't have any hardware or software answer coming for at least 2 years.

Yet you cant show a single benchmark or performance estimate

You are deep in the hyperhole.

 

[96Firebird]

Is it an unknown to them? They have software engineers that optimize for a living.

They should be the best third party to know what Mantle is capable of. If Mantle had no benefit, AMD wouldn't be pushing it.

We'll see, in due time. Don't hold your breath though...

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Mantle isn't a proven technology, we have no idea what the real world benefits will be like, how wide spread it's adoption will be or how long it will continue to be of benefit, no matter what the trade offs might be long term.

Until we know specifics Nvidia doesn't have anything of any value to say, they're certainly not going to react with their own entire API or announce adoption of GCN within weeks of AMDs announcement, these things are seriously long term development strategies.

 

[NIGELG]

I hope AMD hits a home run with Mantle.

No you do NOT hope AMD hits a home run with Mantle...I do ,however.I am more believable in this case.

If Mantle had no benefit, AMD wouldn't be pushing it.

AMD was pushing Bulldozer too...

 

[Rvenger]

A crime? If I search this forum for people having an issue with Nvidias PhysX being proprietary, this forums search engine would crash the database. Are you yourself among those who had a problem with PhysX an Nvidia only option? Remember, I don't want to crash the search engine

I hope AMD hits a home run with Mantle.

I have no issues with PhysX but I don't use it or prefer it. I did like it in Batman Arkham City though and I hope they do some nice effects in origins as well. I always like new tech to be a success, its just that AMD doesn't have that recent track record of following through.