Why has Nvidia not replied or given any statement about Mantle?

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SiliconWars

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I assume he means bigger in work force. Not finacial standing.

Even in financial standing AMD has always made more in revenue if not in profits. It's a bit like saying Qualcomm is bigger than Intel because Qualcomm has higher profits (they will this quarter) and market cap. They aren't bigger than Intel, nowhere near it.

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krumme

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If mantle is 20% faster then Nvidia just has to increase performance by 20%. They are the bigger company and should be more than able to beat AMD. Nvidia pushes the tech then the next year amd takes advantage. Sticll rinse and repeat year after year what faster. That is UNLESS mantle is 30-50% faster. Then Nvidia is hosed

Well they can not increase performance. But they dont have to. They can just lower prices - its far more effective. There is plenty of headroom for that, while still making a profit. 770 series is really cost effective vs. 280. I wouldnt be surprised if NV could lower 770 to near pitcarns levels and still make a business - its a small die on a 256bit bus - and its old.

Besides, the NV brand sells cards no matter the performance. Add they are in all retail shops. A month ago i went to buy a desktop gfx with a pall for one of his kids. Something for minecraft and tf2. We just took the cheapest card in the shop. I think a nv 630 gtx for 130usd. LOL, as fast as the 3-4 years old ATI 4670 that cost less back then. The power of beeing the big guy on the gpu side. Dont underestimate it.

Now mantle might possible be the biggest thing for gaming in 15 years, or at least as long as i can remember. But trust me, NV have plenty to leverage wether its 20 or 50%.

There is ofcourse the positiblity of NV embrasing Mantle. I dont think that will happen. JHH would rather kill himself. But NV is not standing still and have never done. It sure is interesting.
 
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You don't need to use your ''buying dollars'' to get Nvidia graphics cards,don't you??
He's declared his paid allegiance in his sig and he's no longer a mod here so think of him as the good cop!

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AMD is and always has been a bigger company than Nvidia. Normally it's AMD "pushing the tech" with Nvidia following. Every single time.

What about hardware t&l or unified shaders or crossbar memory controllers? that's just in the infancy of gpus.
 

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DX sucks; I'd like to see Microsoft's patent-trolling ass die.

Open source without minimum specs FTW.

What about hardware t&l or unified shaders or crossbar memory controllers? that's just in the infancy of gpus.
I thought ATi invented unified shaders for the Xbox 360 and that Microsoft required DX10 hardware to have unified shaders, but correct me if I am mistaken.

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imaheadcase

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Even in financial standing AMD has always made more in revenue if not in profits. It's a bit like saying Qualcomm is bigger than Intel because Qualcomm has higher profits (they will this quarter) and market cap. They aren't bigger than Intel, nowhere near it.

Are you reading from a AMD brochure?
Do you not see the <4 share AMD has vs $15+ Nvidia has?
Do you not see AMD market cap is 4.3billion vs Nvidia 9+billion?
Do you not see AMD gross profit 1.24B vs 2.23B?

Don't get me started on cash flow. They have been performing terribly.

Not only that, AMD has been around a LOT longer, yet employees are hemorrhaging from what they used to be.
 

bystander36

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DX sucks; I'd like to see Microsoft's patent-trolling ass die.

Open source without minimum specs FTW.

I thought ATi invented unified shaders for the Xbox 360 and that Microsoft required DX10 hardware to have unified shaders, but correct me if I am mistaken.
I'm not ready for DirectX to die. I would be afraid of it. Back when OpenGl was the leader, games were a LOT more buggy. Games which are OpenGl now, are a LOT buggier.

DirectX is a good thing for spanning the vast PC configurations and making it easy on the developer.

Could it be improved? Sure it can, but its replacement needs to be something that can deal with all the PC configurations at least.
 

Stuka87

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If mantle is 20% faster then Nvidia just has to increase performance by 20%. They are the bigger company and should be more than able to beat AMD. Nvidia pushes the tech then the next year amd takes advantage. Sticll rinse and repeat year after year what faster. That is UNLESS mantle is 30-50% faster. Then Nvidia is hosed

nVidia has never been larger than AMD. They were larger than ATI, but not AMD. nVidia does have more profit, mostly because AMD's CPU side of things is being a syphon. AMD does not break out their GPU vs CPU finances as i recall.

nVidia:
Revenue: $3.99 billion (2012)
Work Force: 8,100 (2013)

AMD:
Revenue: $5,422 million (2012)
Employees 10,340 (2012)
 

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Nvidia responding would make the situation seem like it's a threat. Why would Nvidia issue a statement exactly? What would they even say?

If as an investor, I see them issue a statement worrying about Mantle or saying "don't worry", then I'm wondering "What is Nvidia worried about?!?!?!" Right now though Nvidia is playing it smart. There is no numbers, only 1 game isusing it, just let the media hype die. Responding with something would only keep people further talking about Mantle.
 

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AMD is and always has been a bigger company than Nvidia. Normally it's AMD "pushing the tech" with Nvidia following. Every single time.

Question...mark. Look, I like AMD GPUs a lot but this statement just has me completely puzzled. What are you doing, exactly? I mean, no offense, do you really believe this stuff?
 
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Even in financial standing AMD has always made more in revenue if not in profits. It's a bit like saying Qualcomm is bigger than Intel because Qualcomm has higher profits (they will this quarter) and market cap. They aren't bigger than Intel, nowhere near it.

You are seriously delusional.

Go read up on yearly and quarterly results the last 2-3 years. Then come back and try again.

Hint: AMDs GPU department have barely made profit. AMDs CPU department have been bleeding pretty badly.
Nvidia have been posting profit after profit and the GPU revenue have been growing.

Go educate yourself instead of making those stupid posts

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SiliconWars

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Are you reading from a AMD brochure?
Do you not see the <4 share AMD has vs $15+ Nvidia has?
Do you not see AMD market cap is 4.3billion vs Nvidia 9+billion?
Do you not see AMD gross profit 1.24B vs 2.23B?

Don't get me started on cash flow. They have been performing terribly.

Not only that, AMD has been around a LOT longer, yet employees are hemorrhaging from what they used to be.

Who is bigger, Intel or Qualcomm?

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blackened23

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Nvidia responding would make the situation seem like it's a threat. Why would Nvidia issue a statement exactly? What would they even say?

If as an investor, I see them issue a statement worrying about Mantle or saying "don't worry", then I'm wondering "What is Nvidia worried about?!?!?!" Right now though Nvidia is playing it smart. There is no numbers, only 1 game isusing it, just let the media hype die. Responding with something would only keep people further talking about Mantle.

Yeah, this. Nvidia doesn't have to reply. I think Mantle is a great value add on AMD's part and I applaud them for doing it - but Mantle is a long term proposition, it won't set the gaming scene ablaze overnight. It's going to take time and work on AMDs part to make Mantle shine.

Conversely, nvidia already has their share of value added features (such as Physx, TXAA, among others) and they are working overtime this year to release as many games as possible with their features. In fact, nvidia has more 2013 titles using physx + TXAA than 2012 + 2011 combined. Nvidia isn't sitting still. They've ramped up their developer relations just as AMD has.

I see this as a win-win. Nvidia and AMD are fighting for developers, and they're working hard to put value added features in their hardware. Value added features sell. Hopefully AMD puts Mantle to the full potential, we'll see what happens I guess. But, the main point is.....NV doesn't have to do anything right now. Mantle is unproven, NV still makes great hardware and they will continue to do so.
 

SiliconWars

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You are seriously delusional.

Go read up on yearly and quarterly results the last 2-3 years. Then come back and try again.

Hint: AMDs GPU department have barely made profit. AMDs CPU department have been bleeding pretty badly.
Nvidia have been posting profit after profit and the GPU revenue have been growing.

Go educate yourself instead of making those stupid posts

Why not make it 5 years? Oh that's right, then Nvidia would have been lucky to break even wouldn't they.

Fact: AMD is a bigger company than Nvidia. Always has been, always will be.

Fact: ATI/AMD is the technology leader whether it's being first to a new node or the biggest advances in the graphics field. ATI is an older company and they were making firsts before Nvidia even existed. Most of Nvidia's "innovations" came from buying out 3dfx and Ageia. Go educate yourself instead of making stupid posts.

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Rvenger

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AMD is and always has been a bigger company than Nvidia. Normally it's AMD "pushing the tech" with Nvidia following. Every single time.



Well, at least you got that part right.


Actually in the past it was AMD who pushed the CPU tech along. 64 bit, dual core etc. AMD has/had some very bright engineers even though they have a very small R&D budget. Not so convinced they are the same anymore though.
 

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Why not make it 5 years? Oh that's right, then Nvidia would have been lucky to break even wouldn't they.

Fact: AMD is a bigger company than Nvidia. Always has been, always will be.

Fact: ATI/AMD is the technology leader whether it's being first to a new node or the biggest advances in the graphics field. ATI is an older company and they were making firsts before Nvidia even existed. Most of Nvidia's "innovations" came from buying out 3dfx and Ageia. Go educate yourself instead of making stupid posts.

Where did you get this information? Please back it up with facts. Just so you know, I regularly switch between AMD and Nvidia, depending on my build, so no fanboy crap please.
 

Rvenger

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You are seriously delusional.

Go read up on yearly and quarterly results the last 2-3 years. Then come back and try again.

Hint: AMDs GPU department have barely made profit. AMDs CPU department have been bleeding pretty badly.
Nvidia have been posting profit after profit and the GPU revenue have been growing.

Go educate yourself instead of making those stupid posts



How about quit insulting.
 
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