Why has Warner Bros failed w/DC Comics where as Disney has succeeded with Marvel?

[Ns1]

I'm torn on which to hate more from a personal perspective.

...at least Ghost Rider didn't loose money for Marvel.

a more accurate statement would be "at least GR didn't lose as much money as GL"

 

[preslove]

Disney only recently bought Marvel. It was "Marvel Studios," the movie arm of Marvel, that had the successful run.

Marvel Studios succeeded for a number of reasons. First off, you can't ignore Fox and Sony's successes with X-Men and Spiderman making comic book movies popular. Second, since they were a comic book company first, and a movie studio second, they knew how to do fan service. Third Marvel focused on making good movies by hiring up and coming directors who were also big comic book fans and, in some cases, comic book writers, so they could actually make movies the broader public would want to see. Fourth, they had a coherent vision for the universe from the start.

WB's problem is that they are a big movie studio that happens to own DC comics. They don't know how to thread the needle between fan service and broad public appeal.

We'll see if Disney can continue the success without mucking up the formula. Given how they forced Edgar Wright (who had been hired Marvel Studios before the disney buy out) of Ant Man, however, things aren't looking promising at the moment

 

[JEDI]

what's up w/the Ed Norton Hulk hate?
I liked it better than it's predessor

 

[zinfamous]

because DC sucks ass, that's why.

 

[zinfamous]

The late 70's Superman movie with Christopher Reeve was great because it was inspiring and heroic. That music just fitted perfectly to what I think Superman is supposed to represent - good values and the triumph over evil.

The latest movie was depressing, dark and filled with action scenes that were too long and actually out of place. Scenes with Jor El and Kent Sr were good, but otherwise it was bad.

Well, Frank Miller created the dark and edgy version of Batman long before Tim Burton and then, much later, Nolan showed up.

I actually quite liked the newest Superman flick. Superman was always a worthless, stupid, to me--completely invulnerable, never truly threatened by any foe, but always forced into some implausible dire peril for the sake of drama.

With the new one, they focus on his outsider status--completely alone on this planet. With great power but forced to remain hidden due to the consequences of his power being known. Then, when he finally achieves what he has always wanted--knowledge of who he is and where he comes from, and meets those like him, he is forced into a decision to either destroy what remains of his people and any possible future, or protect his adopted people--those that he had been taught to mistrust.

Pretty awesome. Way better than that Singer shit with Kevin Spacey.

General Zod was also perfectly cast, imo. I couldn't help but think of the nutso zealot that he portrays in Boardwalk Empire, and how perfectly those two characters gelled.

 

[sourceninja]

Not every Marvel IP has been gold either. Watch any of the punisher movies?

 

[KeithTalent]

Not every Marvel IP has been gold either. Watch any of the punisher movies?

Punisher: War Zone is freaking awesome.

KT

 

[KeithTalent]

General Zod was also perfectly cast, imo. I couldn't help but think of the nutso zealot that he portrays in Boardwalk Empire, and how perfectly those two characters gelled.

Michael Shannon rules!

KT

 

[02ranger]

Punisher: War Zone is freaking awesome.

KT

Seriously?

 

[KeithTalent]

Seriously?

For serious. It's batshit crazy in an awesome way. Super fun movie. I mean it's a bad movie, but she knew it was bad and just had the most fun she could with it.

KT

 

[02ranger]

For serious. It's batshit crazy in an awesome way. Super fun movie. I mean it's a bad movie, but she knew it was bad and just had the most fun she could with it.

KT

Ah, gotcha. lol

 

[Skel]

The 'Marvel Knights' stuff that Punisher and Ghost Rider fall under was Marvel trying to figure out how to make a movie. They both sucked but lead to the newer stuff like Avengers and the like, so they at least had some value. On the comics front I had a friend post this last week and found it interesting about DC's need to follow the Marvel blueprint.

http://www.businessinsider.com/dc-copies-marvel-2014-6

 

[Aikouka]

Not every Marvel IP has been gold either. Watch any of the punisher movies?

Punisher: War Zone worked well because I don't think it tried to take itself seriously. It was kind of like a worse version of Shoot 'Em Up.

Although, the thing is... while I enjoy comic book movies quite a bit, I think I tend to be rather hard on them. Honestly, I haven't enjoyed most of the latest Marvel movies that I've seen. I thought that Iron Man 3 was somewhat mediocre. Thor 2 was barely alright -- it doesn't help that I'm not a Loki fanboy. Captain America 2 has been the only post-Avengers movie that I thought was worth seeing. The biggest problem with these movies are that the villains are boring and the movies fail to create decent tension. Iron Man 2 is about in tandem with The Incredible Hulk as the worst Marvel-made movie. Although, I think I may give Iron Man 2 the nod, because they chose to gloss over on the much lauded Demon in a Bottle storyline.

I really didn't care much for what they did with The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. My biggest problem with it wasn't the change itself, but rather that it left a huge villainous void in the movie, which Killian just could not fill. Also, Pepper Potts falling to her presumed death near the end should've brought out some emotional response. However, unless you weren't paying attention throughout the movie, you knew that she was injected with Extremis, and with that, the fall couldn't kill her.

Thor 2 seemed to waste its villain and focus on Loki yet again. I've never found Loki to be that appealing in any of the movies.

 

[K1052]

a more accurate statement would be "at least GR didn't lose as much money as GL"

Just glancing at the grosses I'd be inclined to think they broke about even after all the downstream stuff (dvd, ppv, cable, etc). Not good but not a Lone Ranger or John Carter style abortion.

 

[KeithTalent]

Punisher: War Zone worked well because I don't think it tried to take itself seriously. It was kind of like a worse version of Shoot 'Em Up.

Although, the thing is... while I enjoy comic book movies quite a bit, I think I tend to be rather hard on them. Honestly, I haven't enjoyed most of the latest Marvel movies that I've seen. I thought that Iron Man 3 was somewhat mediocre. Thor 2 was barely alright -- it doesn't help that I'm not a Loki fanboy. Captain America 2 has been the only post-Avengers movie that I thought was worth seeing. The biggest problem with these movies are that the villains are boring and the movies fail to create decent tension. Iron Man 2 is about in tandem with The Incredible Hulk as the worst Marvel-made movie. Although, I think I may give Iron Man 2 the nod, because they chose to gloss over on the much lauded Demon in a Bottle storyline.

I really didn't care much for what they did with The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. My biggest problem with it wasn't the change itself, but rather that it left a huge villainous void in the movie, which Killian just could not fill. Also, Pepper Potts falling to her presumed death near the end should've brought out some emotional response. However, unless you weren't paying attention throughout the movie, you knew that she was injected with Extremis, and with that, the fall couldn't kill her.

Thor 2 seemed to waste its villain and focus on Loki yet again. I've never found Loki to be that appealing in any of the movies.

People LOVE Hiddleston's Loki though, so that is not going to change anytime soon, unless they completely spin him off into his own series.

KT

 

[zinfamous]

Yep, I'm with you. I still really enjoy TDK and found TDKR to be a slog. I used to think BB was the best of the series, but on a recent re-watch I found the latter half of that film to be pretty boring and ridiculous. So for me it's TDK>>BB>>>>>TDKR.

KT

I only like TDK because of Ledger. So I've adopted this progression:

Ledger> BB > TDK > TDKR

I actually like TDKR--had no issues with it, tbh--if only it being a bit long. Though I felt none of it was tedious. Hardy was awesome, I actually like whatserface as Catwoman, and I support anything with Marion Cotillard. amazing action sequences, too. The opening scene was balls. (balls is good, right? I always get that english slang wrong)

 

[zinfamous]

Oh, and any list of shitty Marvel movies is incomplete without the 2 Fantastic Four shitstains. Remember those?

Also, I'm not sure which is worse--the latest Spider-man 2, or those Fantastic Four movies. They were all equally terrible (OK, Spiderman 3 with Maguire was also very very bad).

 

[Skel]

Oh, and any list of shitty Marvel movies is incomplete without the 2 Fantastic Four shitstains. Remember those?

Also, I'm not sure which is worse--the latest Spider-man 2, or those Fantastic Four movies. They were all equally terrible (OK, Spiderman 3 with Maguire was also very very bad).

All done by Fox without Marvel. Those really prove the point I believe that studios allow directors/producers/actors to put their mark upon it. If anything Mark Millar is twisting things just to twist them these days at Fox

 

[smackababy]

I really didn't care much for what they did with The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. My biggest problem with it wasn't the change itself, but rather that it left a huge villainous void in the movie, which Killian just could not fill. Also, Pepper Potts falling to her presumed death near the end should've brought out some emotional response. However, unless you weren't paying attention throughout the movie, you knew that she was injected with Extremis, and with that, the fall couldn't kill her.

Thor 2 seemed to waste its villain and focus on Loki yet again. I've never found Loki to be that appealing in any of the movies.

I loved what they did with the Mandarin, and in the Thor one shot that came on the DVD, it is revealed the Mandarin is a real villain.


And people saying the Punisher was bad? Wtf? Thomas Jane will come to your house and murder you for such blasphemy!

 

[MarkXIX]

I love the Punisher movie with Thomas Jane. It was a bit campy, sure, but the scene where the bad guys kill off his entire family still gets me good and pissed off. His path to revenge is campy, but satisfying as well. Just wish they would have carried through with the cast and improved upon it.

Oh, and The Punisher: Dirty Laundry was good too.

 

[KeithTalent]

I only like TDK because of Ledger. So I've adopted this progression:

Ledger> BB > TDK > TDKR

I actually like TDKR--had no issues with it, tbh--if only it being a bit long. Though I felt none of it was tedious. Hardy was awesome, I actually like whatserface as Catwoman, and I support anything with Marion Cotillard. amazing action sequences, too. The opening scene was balls. (balls is good, right? I always get that english slang wrong)

It's pants or mustard. That opening scene was mustard.

I agree with you on the characters, I liked all of them, I just found the film to be a bit too long and boring in parts. I should give it another shot at some point though.

KT

 

[Aikouka]

People LOVE Hiddleston's Loki though, so that is not going to change anytime soon, unless they completely spin him off into his own series.

KT

Yeah, they do. :\ Honestly, I'm not sure why. His character doesn't really come across as this conflicted individual... he just comes across as a petulant, whiny child that is prone to tantrums.

Oh, and any list of shitty Marvel movies is incomplete without the 2 Fantastic Four shitstains. Remember those?

Also, I'm not sure which is worse--the latest Spider-man 2, or those Fantastic Four movies. They were all equally terrible (OK, Spiderman 3 with Maguire was also very very bad).

Thinking about it... don't the worst Marvel movies usually involve some silly, contrived dance scene? Spider-Man 3 had the silly emo Peter dance scene. Fantastic Four 2 had the silly Mr. Fantastic club dance scene. Iron Man 2 had the silly birthday party dance scene (more like watermelon skeet shooting, but close enough! ).

EDIT:

I loved what they did with the Mandarin, and in the Thor one shot that came on the DVD, it is revealed the Mandarin is a real villain.

What exactly do you mean. Are you saying that you like the fact that they turned Killian -- who wasn't much more than a woman scorned -- into a villain, or that they were willing to change The Mandarin. ...and I haven't seen the one shot, because I won't pay anything more than $5 for the Iron Man 3 Blu-ray... maybe $8 if I'm feeling really good. Although, I do own Iron Man 2, so I can't say much. :\

 

[smackababy]

People love Loki because it is Tom Hiddleston, and he is lovable. He is like a straight Johnny Weir. He voices Loki amazing and, despite how one dimensional the character is written in Thor and Avengers, he does a decent job with it.

 

[Anubis]

Not every Marvel IP has been gold either. Watch any of the punisher movies?

or any of the spiderman movies

 

[smackababy]

or any of the spiderman movies

Because, clearly the Spiderman movies didn't print fucking gold for Sony...

Hell, even Punisher made money ($55m vs a $35m budget).