Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

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ch33zw1z

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I doubt that it is $1400/mo but since I've never considered going w/o health insurance I don't care what the fine is

So, you have a choice, that's what American's want right?

ACA is not your only choice. Other companies will sell you healthcare.
 

Humpy

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Tons of idiots (more than usual) legit believe that the ACA has already been repealed (lol) and are fraudulently filing their tax returns so they don't have to pay the penalty.

I imagine this will not end well.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Tons of idiots (more than usual) legit believe that the ACA has already been repealed (lol) and are fraudulently filing their tax returns so they don't have to pay the penalty.

I imagine this will not end well.

Alt-fact generator says: "It ended well"
 

Jhhnn

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just idea's they're throwing out to measure the public's response. they don't really have one, and after all they're shit talking....you'd think they'd take this a bit more seriously.

They're looking for a way to screw the little guy & make it seem otherwise.
 
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agent00f

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If you want to have a discussion, come up with something better than Google it. That shows you have no point to make

The point is you lack the most basic knowledge to say anything meaningful, and this dumbshit conservative bluster isn't helping your case.
 

Sea Ray

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Rands plan relied upon the fallacy that buying insurance across state lines will greatly lower cost. I agree it will lower them but not greatly. Most insurers and states don't want to navigate this minefield.
Rands plan also is cheaper for healthy people because it allows big increases in deductibles and copayments.
I'll give Rand credit its a plan but this is something he banged out in a weekend with some interns its definitely not a well thought out masterpiece that he's been working on for 6 years.

I haven't heard that it increases deductibles. Obamacare has awfully huge deductibles as it is.

Aside from selling across state limes, Dr Paul's plan allows for cheaper plans that he calls catastrophic plans. These are plans that basically only cover the major stuff. You cover the office visits, x-rays etc and the insurance kicks in if you need a surgery or something. Obamacare demands insurance cover the cheap stuff.
 

Sea Ray

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The point is you lack the most basic knowledge to say anything meaningful, and this dumbshit conservative bluster isn't helping your case.

That post is just as worthless as the Google it one. If you want to have a meaningful conversation, come on back. If not then shut the hell up and don't waste our time
 

agent00f

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That post is just as worthless as the Google it one. If you want to have a meaningful conversation, come on back. If not then shut the hell up and don't waste our time

You literally still can't figure out what single payer implies yet continue to mouth off. It's likely that's just how you are and no amount of elaboration will help.
 

JSt0rm

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I haven't heard that it increases deductibles. Obamacare has awfully huge deductibles as it is.

Aside from selling across state limes, Dr Paul's plan allows for cheaper plans that he calls catastrophic plans. These are plans that basically only cover the major stuff. You cover the office visits, x-rays etc and the insurance kicks in if you need a surgery or something. Obamacare demands insurance cover the cheap stuff.

then you remove healthy people from the insurance pool and the prices will rise for all.
 
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agent00f

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It bears repeating in every healthcare thread that costs inevitably rise uncontrollably, which is why every first world country with substantially lower costs (and that's literally every one) implement some form of price control.
 
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I haven't heard that it increases deductibles. Obamacare has awfully huge deductibles as it is.

Aside from selling across state limes, Dr Paul's plan allows for cheaper plans that he calls catastrophic plans. These are plans that basically only cover the major stuff. You cover the office visits, x-rays etc and the insurance kicks in if you need a surgery or something. Obamacare demands insurance cover the cheap stuff.

I'm relying on a summary I heard Rand give on Morning Joe but it was from Rand. He said higher deductible plans for the young.
 

ch33zw1z

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I haven't heard that it increases deductibles. Obamacare has awfully huge deductibles as it is.

Aside from selling across state limes, Dr Paul's plan allows for cheaper plans that he calls catastrophic plans. These are plans that basically only cover the major stuff. You cover the office visits, x-rays etc and the insurance kicks in if you need a surgery or something. Obamacare demands insurance cover the cheap stuff.

ACA varies from state to state. In MA, the deductibles are less than what my employer provided plans were.
 

SMOGZINN

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Aside from selling across state limes, Dr Paul's plan allows for cheaper plans that he calls catastrophic plans. These are plans that basically only cover the major stuff. You cover the office visits, x-rays etc and the insurance kicks in if you need a surgery or something. Obamacare demands insurance cover the cheap stuff.

This is the same argument that eating cheap junk food is good because it costs less. In the long run preventative medial care saves money. 'Catastrophic plans' that cover nothing but major medical encourages people to not do preventative medial care.
 
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Sea Ray

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This is the same argument that eating cheap junk food is good because it costs less. In the long run preventative medial care saves money. 'Catastrophic plans' that cover nothing but major medical encourages people to not do preventative medial care.

This is where we disagree. We'll soon find out who's right. If my premiums don't go down after Obamacare is overhauled I'll be here to bitch about it. If they do, I'll laud Trump and the Republicans while telling you "I told you so."
 

Sea Ray

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ACA varies from state to state. In MA, the deductibles are less than what my employer provided plans were.

It's my impression that Mass doesn't really have ACA. You have Romneycare. From what I hear folks in Ma are quite pleased with it and want no part of ACA. Can't blame them
 

Sea Ray

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You literally still can't figure out what single payer implies yet continue to mouth off. It's likely that's just how you are and no amount of elaboration will help.

Are all this guy's posts this worthless or is he just having a bad week?
 

Bitek

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The reason Obamacare didn't even so much as have the public option was due to Dems, not Republicans. Obama couldn't get all the Dems on board

Lieberman.

Joe fucking Lieberman.

Wonder where he is now? Sorta lost track of him after that stint as McCain's possible VP....


Oh, there he is! Introducing DeVos at her confirmation. He's a lawyer for Trump now? Hmm. Fitting.
 
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MongGrel

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I never said or implied that. You people are dense.

You're repetitive and do not seem to know how to multi quote to begin with.

Apparently Sea Ray does not know how to either.

*shrug*

Trump had a health plan that was secret in the works the same way he had a plan to defeat Daesh when he took office, it was secret.

Con Man.
 
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Bitek

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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a right. If you call your doctor with a problem and he refuses to make a house call, I wouldn't say that he violated your rights. If you need shoulder surgery but no one will do it for free does that mean your rights are violated? I don't think so. Doctors/hospitals are a profession offering a service. They deserve to be paid for that service

Yet you then complained about costs and how nurses are ripping you off for shots and how $300/mo ins is horrible for an 80yo.

O_0

Even if you are not asking for freebies, none of what the GOP is offering will provide what you are wanting.

Ins for young/heathly ppl may get cheaper, but only by being able to cut the sick out of the pool or at least shift more costs back to them.
That means grannies insurance is going way up.

No magic wand of "insurance competition" is going to make HC cheap for everyone. We're just taking about changing the winners and losers.
 
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Sea Ray

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Yet you then complained about costs and how nurses are ripping you off for shots and how $300/mo ins is horrible for an 80yo.

O_0

Even if you are not asking for freebies, none of what the GOP is offering will provide what you are wanting.

Ins for young/heathly ppl may get cheaper, but only by being able to cut the sick out of the pool or at least shift more costs back to them.
That means grannies insurance is going way up.

No magic wand of "insurance competition" is going to make HC cheap for everyone. We're just taking about changing the winners and losers.

You obviously missed my points. My point in talking about Medicare isn't to say that it's horrible. My parents' generation are getting more out of Medicare and Social Security than any generation ever has and ever will. It's a great deal for them. I was pointing out that Medicare does not pay everything. Thus Medicare for all does not mean healthcare free of out of pocket expenses. There's actually a great deal of out of pocket expenses with it.

I disagree with you on the consequences of competition but regardless, as an American I want choices. Obamacare has taken those away from me
 
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