Why Heatware is not a good choice and is HIGH risk

[jeffosoft]

Ok I made a deal with someone that had good heatware And I dont have a rating But I Have a Ebay rating of 51.

They said I should ship first so I did so Now Im out the Money for shipping and the items

Why?

Well I was told that the Ebay Rating system wasnt considered to be worth anything here on Anandtech Forums.
This is what Seems to be true. You can ask all your friends to post to heatware and give you good ratings because its free.

Ebay on the other hand has cost involved so people are more reluctant to just sell something to give there self a rating Heatware has not proving system.

I believe that Heatware should considered HIGH risk in dealing with people as the person I delt with WITH A GOOD HEATWARE RATING!!! is now gone and not able to be reached.

 

[jeffosoft]

Ment to post under brag and Moan Please move thanks

 

[kt]

This should go in FS/FT forum with a thread title that says something along the line "Troll Hunter needed!"

 

[gwlam12]

so did u really get ripped off? u could always check the heatware of people who left him heatware to see if their accounts are real. you could always contact them directly, too, to see how their deals went. how many positive ratings did he have? how long did u wait for ur product to come?

 

[kerokeroppi82]

he's right, I always check other peoples heatware to make sure they're legit

 

[Pilsnerpete]

how do you make sure they're legit?

 

[ReiAyanami]

well atleast u know his address, i'm sure there's gotta be an AT'er that lives near him and can pay him a visit.

 

[sbp]

"Heatware is not a good choice and is HIGH risk" Oh so what do you suggest then sir?

Scammers can pump up their positive ratings on ebay. Couldn't someone with a good ebay rating rip you off? So therefore ebay ratings are not a good choice and is HIGH risk also.

Heatware is a free online user evaluation database that is universally accepted at trading forums. Heatware is a way to see who the good traders are and who to avoid. However, it should not be solely depended on. In addition to the advice gwlam12 offered, check the bad trader list and verify an address is real.

The reality is wherever you trade at there is going to be risk, that is why commonsense steps are taken to minimize the chances of being ripped off. Otherwise, don't buy and sell.

 

[InfraggableKrunk]

um how is the ebay rating bad ??


if a person has a few negatives i always think twice

i think the ebay system is great because each auction is only allowed one feedback

 

[agent2099]

They both have their strengths and weaknesses.


Ebay is good because you know (practically) each transaction was real, and you can easily click on the auction links to verify it was an actual sale, and not just to pump up the feedback rating.

However, if someone with a good Ebay rating screws you, you have no reconciliation since you cant give them feedback for a non-Ebay transaction.


Heatware, however, you can give someone feedback by just having their email address. Of course, there is the chance that they could simply not care about getting a negative on their heatware, and they can take your money and split.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: InfraggableKrunk
um how is the ebay rating bad ??


if a person has a few negatives i always think twice

i think the ebay system is great because each auction is only allowed one feedback

people do NOT leave true feedback ratings on ebay, they are happy if they get their item and say Great deal!!!! A+++++!!! Thanks for finally getting me my stuff!!!! Are you out of your mind? I will NOT wait 2-4 weeks for shipping. You make a deal, you ship it out at the very minimum that same week. Plus someone with 95% positive rating is considered good, even if he has 20 negatives! Besides, you get a negative heatware here, and most likely your trading days are over, on ebay, it is no big deal if "the item never arrived" I'm sure he is still a good trader, I mean look he has 95% positives! GREAT system. Heatware is as good as you make it. If you don't want to take the time to evaluate each trade, I fail to see how that is anyone's fault but your own. Look at all of their refs, see if they were the buyer and seller, if they were the seller enough times, check some of their deals with people they have dealt with, are the people they have dealt with good traders? Or are they new traders? If he has bought more often then sold I would be hesitant, you always have the perrogative to say no to a deal, just because the deal seems good doesn't mean you should take it no matter their trading record. Think people think, a lot of you seem to be your own worst enemy. As for your statement about thinking twice if they have a few negatives, if they have a few negatives here, I nor anyone else really, will trade with them at all, it isn't about thinking twice, it is about being smart. We have had our share of trolls here, however Ebay has had thousands more, maybe even tens of thousands more. The only reason I post in this thread is with the foreknowledge that the mods will move it.

 

[bigcfromcinci]

What SBP said.

Can we move this to the right forum Mr Mod

Jeff,
If you were indeed ripped off.Shoot me a pm over..I'll try to help ya out.
See your from Florence?To bad the guy ripping you off is not from their..I'm only 20 minutes away in Cinci!!

 

[huesmann]

Well, on eBay I do leave positive feedback when things go smoothly. If it takes the seller 2 weeks to ship an item, then I leave neutral feedback.

 

[Oakenfold]

Ebay feedback has it's downs as well.
It's very easy to create a bogus account and give yourself feedback and bid on your own auction.
Also years ago Ebay did not REQUIRE feedback be linked to an auction, so you had people running around with mucho feedback that was bogus, ebay has never done anything about it so make sure you check the feedback carefully.

 

[Slammy1]

I think all on-line rating systems (including ResellerRatings) are somewhat misleading. The limitations are related to what's exactly being rated. They're all in the form "Fast shipping, nice packaging", and there's a lot more to a sale than just those features. I recently had a deal with a guy on EBay w/ a 1300 rating and 99.4% positive that I felt was awful, I'll never use EBay again. With ResellerRatings I find zero support for before the sale. At least from the highly rated stores that I had dealings with, it only makes sense they only reflect immediately after the sale's sentiments. On HeatWare, I've only used it once so I can't say how effective it is, but I just wish all transactions could go that smoothly and quickly as with the 50+ rated person I dealt with. Customer loyalty still plays a heavy role in purchase decisions, I just wish I could find a source I feel comfortable with for some major upgrades I have planned for my system. At least here you find out about long-term sentiments towards dealers, I think I'll stick with NewEgg for now.

 

[badluck]

You need to use common sense as well. If someone says that your 51 reviews under ebay are worthless, don't do business with them. It is obvious that both systems have their weeknesses. I tend to believe Heatware has more since there is no cost to pump your feedback file. Nonetheless, if someone told me my ebay ratings were worthless, I'd move on to the next deal.

 

[duhh]

Originally posted by: InfraggableKrunk
um how is the ebay rating bad ??


if a person has a few negatives i always think twice

i think the ebay system is great because each auction is only allowed one feedback

it is quite simple for people to create a fake auction, let their friend put in a bid on it, and then close the auction. As ebay does no handle the funds transfer, they have no idea. Then all the person does it fill out feedback form, and say "Great seller, A+++++++++, buy from this guy."

This is about as popular ar having ur friends put bids on your auction to get the price to jump higher...

Kinda sucks, but there really is no way to avoid it.

 

[SharkyTM]

Originally posted by: agent2099
They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Ebay is good because you know (practically) each transaction was real, and you can easily click on the auction links to verify it was an actual sale, and not just to pump up the feedback rating.

However, if someone with a good Ebay rating screws you, you have no reconciliation since you cant give them feedback for a non-Ebay transaction.

Heatware, however, you can give someone feedback by just having their email address. Of course, there is the chance that they could simply not care about getting a negative on their heatware, and they can take your money and split.

have you ever been to eGay?
you can only click on recent auctions... and you can pad your feedback by buying .99$ items with free shipping (they DO exist). Most power sellers have automated feedback scripts, so the fedback is bullsh@t.

Heatware is more accurate, because people can mention names, have unlimited space to write, and can really get specific about what happened.

Also, in regards to your comment about people being screwed on heatware by random people, umm... that rarely happens, and if it does, just message heat23, and the eval is removed. So, i dont get the big deal with eGay being so great, and heatware suckin. The only time when i see ebay being any good is when someone is a BIGtime seller, like 100's of evals... then i give them some credit.

Shark

 

[Garet Jax]

I have been trading online for years. I used newgroups back in the early 90s before any official mechanism existed.

I have never shipped goods before I received the money. I will never ship goods before I receive money. It seems like everyone here expects that someone with no heatware should ship items first. Since I refuse to do so and since I have no money for trinkets (buying a house ), my heatware remains at 0.

My ebay feedback is at 70.

I don't believe either is better since they both can be cooked. I would like to think that having both is better, but since they both can be cooked, neither really mean anything. Heatware nazis and Ebay nazis both need to realize that their feedback systems can easily be artificially inflated.

In all the years I have been trading, I have never been tricked by anyone. It is bound to happen at some point, but common sense is the most important tool when buying online.

 

[HESDog]

I think that Heat and ebae feedbacks are all basically useless. As with any type of evaluation systems there will always be folks who will cheat the system.

 

[ai42]

Ok I don't see ebay as the "perfect" feedback system but it is good. I mean I got 1 negitave there and I've been trading for years and I'm sure I'm about at least as good as a trader than anyone else and probbably better than most. I have a ship time of usually 1 day (sometimes 2, and rarely 3). The guy who gave me the negative was just a jerk off who won my auction and then refused to pay. When I left him a negitive feedback (which was rightly so, as I did give him an extra 2 weeks beyond what the auction said, for time of payment) he left me one too. FYI he got his account supsended for too many non-paying auctions, and he screamed and yelled to ebay and got it reinstated. Ebay feedbacks cannot be removed at all, even if they are unjust. Whereas for heatware you can contact heat23, and if someone leaves a unjust heatware you can get it removed. And I beleive it is true that a negitive heat will pretty much end your trading days as a negative heat will not stand if it is unjust.

 

[hollowman]

Originally posted by: InfraggableKrunk
um how is the ebay rating bad ??


if a person has a few negatives i always think twice

i think the ebay system is great because each auction is only allowed one feedback

Egay's rating system is such a bullsh!t man. I have 2 negative feedbacks that I do not deserve and Egay won't do anything about it. They will ONLY remove the undeserved feedbacks if and only if I pay TimeSquare $20.

Plus, the online trading always involve HIGH risk whether you buy from Anandtech FS/FT, Ebay or even online vendors.

If you do not want the risk, then I guess you can always go to a retail store and pay more.

 

[Kevin]

This is a debate that comes up ever 2-3 weeks. Its your responcibility as a buyer to research as much as you can about the seller. Don't be afraid to ask questions or for personal information. If they refuse, cease contact. Its that simple. Don't let your greed get you burned. The system works only if you use it correctly. I can't stress the "Ask Questions" enough...

 

[dethman]

checking out someone's refs and their validity is your own responsibility. selling on the internet is inherently high risk and no heatware or ebay rating system will change that. there are plenty of people with high ratings on both systems that have just bailed. sorry for your loss but you can't blame heat.

 

[Pothead]

Originally posted by: ai42
Ok I don't see ebay as the "perfect" feedback system but it is good. I mean I got 1 negitave there and I've been trading for years and I'm sure I'm about at least as good as a trader than anyone else and probbably better than most. I have a ship time of usually 1 day (sometimes 2, and rarely 3). The guy who gave me the negative was just a jerk off who won my auction and then refused to pay. When I left him a negitive feedback (which was rightly so, as I did give him an extra 2 weeks beyond what the auction said, for time of payment) he left me one too. FYI he got his account supsended for too many non-paying auctions, and he screamed and yelled to ebay and got it reinstated. Ebay feedbacks cannot be removed at all, even if they are unjust. Whereas for heatware you can contact heat23, and if someone leaves a unjust heatware you can get it removed. And I beleive it is true that a negitive heat will pretty much end your trading days as a negative heat will not stand if it is unjust.

ebay feedbacks CAN be removed, depends on your patience and if you have money to throw around