Why I don't like Windows 10

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Berryracer

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I agree. For the most part if flows and looks crisp. The privacy issues are fixed with settings and I've been monitoring my network and I'm happy with what I'm seeing.
and how do you deal with the forced driver updates?

Even though I hid a Bluetooth Adapter Driver update using the Microsoft Hide Updates tool, it kept nagging to be installed and all other updates were not being installed pending the Bluetooth Driver install.
 

Sabrewings

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and how do you deal with the forced driver updates?

Even though I hid a Bluetooth Adapter Driver update using the Microsoft Hide Updates tool, it kept nagging to be installed and all other updates were not being installed pending the Bluetooth Driver install.

I have turned off the "deliver driver updates via windows update" setting and Windows 10 hasn't updated a single driver since (several days). I installed the drivers I want and they're still there.
 

Berryracer

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I have turned off the "deliver driver updates via windows update" setting and Windows 10 hasn't updated a single driver since (several days). I installed the drivers I want and they're still there.
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing but the way I did it is I went to Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Installation Settings, and set it to never receive driver updates from Windows updates but this setting does nothing as confirmed by me and others I know on other forums Windows just ignores it and the moment you enable Windows updates it will install all the updates + Driver updates in one shot ignoring the fact that I have the latest drivers installed already from the device manufacturers.

So next I formatted and the moment I went online I used the Microsoft tool to hide/show updates, I ran it and let it search for updates, then I was able to successfully hide the driver updates it found.....2 days later, it showed me a Bluetooth Adapter driver update so I used the tool to hide the update but it refuses to go away despite me restarting my computer. What's worse, now the other updates like there was a Microsoft Silverlight update isn't being installed because I kept seeing that Bluetooth Adapter driver update the first thing when I opened windows update as if all updates were pending until I forcefully installed this.

Can you tell me your way of disabling the driver updates please?
 

cmdrdredd

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I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing but the way I did it is I went to Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Installation Settings, and set it to never receive driver updates from Windows updates but this setting does nothing as confirmed by me and others I know on other forums Windows just ignores it and the moment you enable Windows updates it will install all the updates + Driver updates in one shot ignoring the fact that I have the latest drivers installed already from the device manufacturers.

So next I formatted and the moment I went online I used the Microsoft tool to hide/show updates, I ran it and let it search for updates, then I was able to successfully hide the driver updates it found.....2 days later, it showed me a Bluetooth Adapter driver update so I used the tool to hide the update but it refuses to go away despite me restarting my computer. What's worse, now the other updates like there was a Microsoft Silverlight update isn't being installed because I kept seeing that Bluetooth Adapter driver update the first thing when I opened windows update as if all updates were pending until I forcefully installed this.

Can you tell me your way of disabling the driver updates please?

This is incorrect. I set the same setting and I never get driver updates. WHen I enable it again I see Intel ethernet drivers via windows update.

With it off no updates, with it on it wants to install ethernet drivers.

I know people like to parrot the same rehashed complaint that it's broken, but because it's working for me I can't accept that.
 
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Omar F1

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Long live Windows 7, the last of the Samurais.

It really sucks to be disappointed by both software & hardware long-waited products at the same time.
 

Sabrewings

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I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing but the way I did it is I went to Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Installation Settings, and set it to never receive driver updates from Windows updates but this setting does nothing as confirmed by me and others I know on other forums Windows just ignores it and the moment you enable Windows updates it will install all the updates + Driver updates in one shot ignoring the fact that I have the latest drivers installed already from the device manufacturers.

Can you tell me your way of disabling the driver updates please?

I use that setting and still have Windows Update enabled and it has not installed any driver updates since then, on any of my machines. Not sure what to tell you on it. It works as advertised for me.

For example, I'm using a 2014 VIA USB 3.0 controller driver when Windows Update had installed a 2015 driver during Windows 10 installation (2015 driver was causing it to not stay shut down). It has not tried to replace it yet. Another example is display adapter drivers, chipset drivers, etc. All are using ones I installed and have not been overridden. I also haven't received any new driver updates since I set that setting.
 
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artemicion

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I use that setting and still have Windows Update enabled and it has not installed any driver updates since then, on any of my machines. Not sure what to tell you on it. It works as advertised for me.

For example, I'm using a 2014 VIA USB 3.0 controller driver when Windows Update had installed a 2015 driver during Windows 10 installation (2015 driver was causing it to not stay shut down). It has not tried to replace it yet. Another example is display adapter drivers, chipset drivers, etc. All are using ones I installed and have not been overridden. I also haven't received any new driver updates since I set that setting.

I used that setting and Windows Update has installed driver updates. It's maddening. Installed Windows 10 clean on a laptop with no Internet connection. Installed drivers direct from Dell for Windows 10. Told Windows not to update them via Windows Update. Connected to the Internet. Windows Update promptly updates the Intel Graphics Drivers and something else (Wireless adapter, IIRC, or maybe it was nVidia drivers).

Don't know what else to say. Doesn't make sense.
 

Raduque

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This entire thread, but especially this post:
i understand that .. his skill level .. fluctuates wildly.

however, as a gamer, he has proven himself. so even if he gets right the stuff that he does by feel, at least he is reliable on that. in other words, if he shows up and says "overclock your WMO to 500hz with this patch and run it at 400dpi", then you do that and you can be assured that you will do well.

now, i'm sure i could point out a few things i don't like about W7. but i am cohabiting with it quite well; it very rarely pisses me off, and it generally complies with my demands.
i can also game on it reasonably well and this is a big deal.

random services firing up for a few milliseconds here and there and hogging my cpu cycles is really a no-no for twitch-aim games. what is unnoticeable to most users can be horrible for people who refuse to have .. pre-rendered frames on their GPU .. whose monitor has so little brightness and gamma it looks like a piece of rock (its better for detecting movement) .. who have to "enhance pointer precision" in order to NOT "enhance pointer precision".

not to mention the various network configurations, some of which work, some of which break everything.
it's not easy getting a responsive system, but it's a joy when you do. and i do dream of microsoft one day releasing a gamer OS .. let me rephrase that .. a paranoid hardcore gamer OS, i know it's not gonna happen.

but, if they only did release a modular os - one that i can BUILD as i need, instead of one that i need to DEMOLISH as i need.
Gave me such a migraine that I'm quite sure I lost at least 20 IQ points from reading it.

I've found W10 to be an improvement in some areas to w8.1, and less so in others. I miss the Charms bar and big clock/battery, as well as the quick swap using a left inward swipe.

On the other hand, Dragon Age Inquisition runs in full screen mode now, and after a day or so switching songs in Winamp no longer causes a system-wide stutter.

I know this is a bit long, but do me a favor guys and read it till the end, this is exactly how I feel about the new Start Menu and the new search feature that searches all over the web..... I never read long articles but this one is an exception......very well written.....

The Start Menu Should Be Sacred (But It’s Still a Disaster in Windows 10)

I hate the Start menu. I have tried to avoid using that turd since Vista (which I jumped to as soon as possible. I was Beta'ing it way back in 2006 too), and I was glad to see it die with 8/8.1. Very sad to see Microsoft caving to a bunch of whiny little shits and bringing it back in 10.

I use and love Windows Media Center, which is why I will not upgrade to Windows 10.

My HTPC will stay on 7 forever for the same reason. Though I might switch to Kodi on linux soon, I don't do TV through it anymore.
 
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ninaholic37

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I hate the Start menu. I have tried to avoid using that turd since Vista (which I jumped to as soon as possible. I was Beta'ing it way back in 2006 too), and I was glad to see it die with 8/8.1. Very sad to see Microsoft caving to a bunch of whiny little shits and bringing it back in 10.
Are you saying that you liked the Start Menu more in XP? Or that you'd rather click on icons on the desktop? Or ones pinned to a sidebar? Or that you rather use keyboard shortcuts? Or use Search every time you want to look for something? Or have a menu of items appear out of thin air when you say "Menu"? You mention how much you hate the Start Menu, but you don't mention why or what you'd rather use instead beginning with Vista.
 

Mem

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I almost forgot how awesome the Start Menu from Windows 95 was (with the nice one narrow column). This is one of the many reasons why I've been using Puppy Linux distros for the last few years. Default is very similar to the 95 start menu except even more convenient because all the programs are only one-level deep:


I knew some users would still be moaning even when Microsoft brought back a Start Menu, end of the day it's not an issue because you have all those third party alternatives like Classic Shell etc that lets you use it like Win7 and most are free.

I could throw in paid ones like Start10 for a small fee which when you consider Win10 is free and only couple of bucks for Start10 is still great value for money.
As to Linux well you'll get no argument from me about the many superior Start Menus it has that runs rings around Win7 or and other Windows OS, however this thread is about Win10 and the Start menu moan is not really valid in my books.

I still stand by my statement Win10 is pretty polished for its initial release.

Btw better off moaning at US government, (Read this below over at OcUK forums).

Microsoft fight tooth and nail to prevent the US government accessing their offshore datacentres.

Why? Because a large amount of their customer's data (and customer's of customer's data) has been specifically stored on datacentres outside of the US to help protect their data from US government law. This includes all computer systems based on Microsoft Azure which is a major cash cow for them. Without fighting, their customers may move away from Azure back to locally hosted computer systems.

Microsoft has an entire website dedicated to their protection of their customer's data and are vocal of their criticism with the current US laws here - http://digitalconstitution.com/

Here is a recent blog post about how they have been fighting against a US warrant to release emails from their Irish server - http://digitalconstitution.com/2015/...earch-warrant/

These are not the actions of a company who are going to hand over your personal data easily.
 
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WelshBloke

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I still stand by my statement Win10 is pretty polished for its initial release.

I wouldn't describe it as polished. It still suffers from the same schizophrenic UI that it's had for the last 3 versions of Windows.

Btw better off moaning at US government, (Read this below over at OcUK forums).

Of just keep your data as much to yourself as possible?

If Microsoft don't have it they can't hand it over.
 
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This is incorrect. I set the same setting and I never get driver updates. WHen I enable it again I see Intel ethernet drivers via windows update.

With it off no updates, with it on it wants to install ethernet drivers.

I know people like to parrot the same rehashed complaint that it's broken, but because it's working for me I can't accept that.

I'm glad that option is working for someone correctly, but my experience is the same as berryracer's, and we're not the only ones.
 

Mem

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I wouldn't describe it as polished. It still suffers from the same schizophrenic UI that it's had for the last 3 versions of Windows.



Of just keep your data as much to yourself as possible?

If Microsoft don't have it they can't hand it over.

UI is always a preference thing,when I said polished I meant it's been very stable for me ie no crashes, no driver issues, and all my software works fine on both my Win10 upgrades.

My brother also has no real issues on his 7 to 10 upgrade, having said all that I'm not naive to think Win10 or any Windows OS is bug free or other people don't have issues, but they will be fixed in due time.
 

Puffnstuff

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I am always reminded of the truenuff.tv ads when the linux guys show up in a thread because they are so stereotypical.
 

quikah

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Are you saying that you liked the Start Menu more in XP? Or that you'd rather click on icons on the desktop? Or ones pinned to a sidebar? Or that you rather use keyboard shortcuts? Or use Search every time you want to look for something? Or have a menu of items appear out of thin air when you say "Menu"? You mention how much you hate the Start Menu, but you don't mention why or what you'd rather use instead beginning with Vista.



It is a matter of personal preference, but to me the default 7 start menu is pretty ugly and a big waste of space. The entire right hand side is borderline useless. I don't even know why they put a default programs link in there, never click it. All the various document shortcuts are easier to use through explorer.
 

WelshBloke

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UI is always a preference thing,when I said polished I meant it's been very stable for me ie no crashes, no driver issues, and all my software works fine on both my Win10 upgrades..

I wasn't commenting on the style of the UI, that would be a preference, more the fact that there seems to be three visual styles and you never know which one you're going to get dumped into. They have had plenty of time to settle on one by now.
 

TheGardener

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MS is just copying Google on updates. I tried deleting and shutting off Google Play Services and Hangout, but they keep coming back and you can't turn off.
 

Maximilian

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It is a matter of personal preference, but to me the default 7 start menu is pretty ugly and a big waste of space. The entire right hand side is borderline useless. I don't even know why they put a default programs link in there, never click it. All the various document shortcuts are easier to use through explorer.

Yeah maybe if you're still on 640x480 or something
 

Raduque

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Are you saying that you liked the Start Menu more in XP? Or that you'd rather click on icons on the desktop? Or ones pinned to a sidebar? Or that you rather use keyboard shortcuts? Or use Search every time you want to look for something? Or have a menu of items appear out of thin air when you say "Menu"? You mention how much you hate the Start Menu, but you don't mention why or what you'd rather use instead beginning with Vista.

I use universal search and Winkey+typing. I don't like menus in general, and i hated drilling down through nested menus even more. I also like and use taskbar pinned icons.


Of course, I was one of those people who actually got used to and didn't mind using, the 8 start screen, AND I like Windows Vista.
 

WelshBloke

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It is a matter of personal preference, but to me the default 7 start menu is pretty ugly and a big waste of space. The entire right hand side is borderline useless. I don't even know why they put a default programs link in there, never click it. All the various document shortcuts are easier to use through explorer.

You could just get rid of it.
 

HeXen

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I think OP wants Linux.

Frankly some of the things that the OP disables looks quite appealing and convenient to me. I played with Cortana on my wife's laptop and thought it was pretty awesome. I can tell I'll use it a lot and it's very convenient to just speak my question rather than type it out.

Start menu and apps does at least look consistent with the desktop now. I use start as a launcher like normal people so the design layout doesn't bother me.
I don't like 3 finger swipe, it's just not as efficient as it is in OSX and there is no smooth zooming in the browser. Can't import bookmarks in edge is rather odd.
Other than that though, seems pretty nice.
 
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