Why I'm better than you

[Synomenon]

I've switched some of the bulbs in my home to 6500k twister shaped bulbs. Are those CFLs? Anyway, after getting used to the white light they give off, walking into a room filled with yellow light feels strange.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Canai
Don't break any of them

If you break one, just hit the area with a hair dryer. The Hg evaporates and is gone. Oh, don't forget to open a window first.

You can't be serious. Your idea of safetly removing mercury is to stand over it with a hair dryer and suck in all the vapors. Mercury is safest in liquid form, and only becomes extremely hazardous in vapor form and in organic compounds.

Of course I find it hilarious that all the tree huggers think they're saving the planet by introducing mercury to the environment. Good job!!

 

[Rumpltzer]

Yeah, I've never liked yellow filament bulbs. I'd buy the soft white ones when I use to buy them.

The CFLs that I bought at Costco three years ago are still going strong and I'd buy them again. I made sure to buy the 100W equivalents. They are pretty dim when I first turn them on now, but they brighten up in a few minutes.

I don't mind them at all.

 

[SampSon]

I hate flourscent (sp) bulbs.

 

[Rumpltzer]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I hate flourscent (sp) bulbs.

fluorescent



Why do you hate them?

 

[OFFascist]

Congrats. I replaced most the ones at my family's house and when I moved into this new place I replaced the ones here too.

I've done my part to make America a little bit more self sufficient.

The primary motivator for me is that I like things that are more efficent, not changing the light bulb for 7 or so years and the fact that I save like $50 a month is just plain bad ass. Saving the environment and helping make American more self fsufficient is icing on the cake too.

IMO if you learn of the benefits of CFLs and just stay with incandescents just because of the color or something like that, well thats just kind of gay, also makes you an American hating communist too.

One of the other great things about CFLs are they produce a lot less waste heat, which is handing when you live in Texas, keeps the house cooler.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No kidding. I picked up a couple of those once but hated the light they give off.

No thanks...

Poor baby, did the light not make your drapes look pretty anymore?

Cmon its just light. All you really need it for is to read.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Rumpltzer

Originally posted by: SampSon
I hate flourscent (sp) bulbs.

fluorescent



Why do you hate them?

They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: SampSon
They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

You mean they dont give off that ugly yellow glow that incandescents do?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: SampSon
They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

You mean they dont give off that ugly yellow glow that incandescents do?

Whatever you want to call it, sure.
I don't like flourescent light, end of story.

 

[50cent1228]

i have them hahahha

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
I am better than you OP because I still have my $100.

I'll have $300 more than you at the end of the year though

 

[edro]

Wow, I had no idea CFLs had that much mercury in them. I have thrown away a few of them myself. You know people aren't going to dispose of them properly.

 

[oztrailrider]

I have installed CFLs in my place where I could. I would like to know what you are supposed to do with them when they die?, obviously just having them go into landfill is not a good idea.

 

[tfinch2]

All of the bulbs in my apartment are CFL, all 5 of them.

 

[Aharami]

got CFL thru most of my house. from my experience Sylvania makes the best ones. GE ones put out a yellowish light. Sylvania puts out near white. Love it. Much brighter than incandescent too

 

[djheater]

I have about 85% done in my home... LED's for night lights.



My dimmable ones are not instant on, they ramp up...

The garage floods drive me insane because they get so cold they take a minute to ramp up... havane't figured uot how to fix that yet.

CFL's use less energy, Using less energy is preferable in all cases. It's rational, nevermind the politics, which I'm really not interested in.

 

[Flyback]

I wanted to pick some up but was confused by all the different types, brands and wattages so I gave up.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
I've switched some of the bulbs in my home to 6500k twister shaped bulbs. Are those CFLs? Anyway, after getting used to the white light they give off, walking into a room filled with yellow light feels strange.

Yes, they are.

Were they expensive? Seems unusual to make such a high color temperature bulb for household use, but I guess.. Are you sure they aren't for plants or aquariums? lol

It would still be better than an incandescent in any case, though.. typically around 2700ºK.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Canai
Don't break any of them

If you break one, just hit the area with a hair dryer. The Hg evaporates and is gone. Oh, don't forget to open a window first.

You can't be serious. Your idea of safetly removing mercury is to stand over it with a hair dryer and suck in all the vapors. Mercury is safest in liquid form, and only becomes extremely hazardous in vapor form and in organic compounds.

Of course I find it hilarious that all the tree huggers think they're saving the planet by introducing mercury to the environment. Good job!!

I was going to go off on him about this too, but then started to think of all the variables, and decided if anybody is stupid enough to try it, they deserve whatever is coming to them.

The only way it would work is if the room was heavily ventilated directly outdoors and you were wearing a respirator. Instead of the mercury contaminating the room slowly, you would get rid of it quickly.

The only problem is that I have no idea how mercury actually acts. If you blasted it with a hairdryer and it vaporized, only to condense all over everything in the room, I don't think you would be doing yourself any favors.

The best way would be to find the bead of mercury. Probably pretty much impossible on carpet. Vacuum, and throw the bag away. I don't know.

I'd be willing to bet most of the 2,000$ cleanup bill is labor and skill related...

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: SampSon
They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

You mean they dont give off that ugly yellow glow that incandescents do?

Whatever you want to call it, sure.
I don't like flourescent light, end of story.

It's funny that someone would consider the horrible CRI(Color Rendering Index) that a regular incandescent bulb has.. to be normal.

2700ºK = ~60CRI

5500ºK = ~90CRI

Sunlight @ Noon = 100CRI.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Canai
Don't break any of them

If you break one, just hit the area with a hair dryer. The Hg evaporates and is gone. Oh, don't forget to open a window first.

You can't be serious. Your idea of safetly removing mercury is to stand over it with a hair dryer and suck in all the vapors. Mercury is safest in liquid form, and only becomes extremely hazardous in vapor form and in organic compounds.

Of course I find it hilarious that all the tree huggers think they're saving the planet by introducing mercury to the environment. Good job!!

I was going to go off on him about this too, but then started to think of all the variables, and decided if anybody is stupid enough to try it, they deserve whatever is coming to them.

The only way it would work is if the room was heavily ventilated directly outdoors and you were wearing a respirator. Instead of the mercury contaminating the room slowly, you would get rid of it quickly.

The only problem is that I have no idea how mercury actually acts. If you blasted it with a hairdryer and it vaporized, only to condense all over everything in the room, I don't think you would be doing yourself any favors.

The best way would be to find the bead of mercury. Probably pretty much impossible on carpet. Vacuum, and throw the bag away. I don't know.

I'd be willing to bet most of the 2,000$ cleanup bill is labor and skill related...

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: SampSon
They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

You mean they dont give off that ugly yellow glow that incandescents do?

Whatever you want to call it, sure.
I don't like flourescent light, end of story.

It's funny that someone would consider the horrible CRI(Color Rendering Index) that a regular incandescent bulb has.. to be normal.

2700ºK = ~60CRI

5500ºK = ~90CRI

Sunlight @ Noon = 100CRI.

When you build you time machine, light it with sunlight color fluorescent bulbs, so when you meet our caveman ancestors you can ridicule their poor color reproduction from firelight.

I would argue that at NIGHT, incandescent is more "natural" for humans.

 

[Steve]

Canadian Football League bulbs?


Are your bulbs bigger than ours?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Canai
Don't break any of them

If you break one, just hit the area with a hair dryer. The Hg evaporates and is gone. Oh, don't forget to open a window first.

You can't be serious. Your idea of safetly removing mercury is to stand over it with a hair dryer and suck in all the vapors. Mercury is safest in liquid form, and only becomes extremely hazardous in vapor form and in organic compounds.

Of course I find it hilarious that all the tree huggers think they're saving the planet by introducing mercury to the environment. Good job!!

I was going to go off on him about this too, but then started to think of all the variables, and decided if anybody is stupid enough to try it, they deserve whatever is coming to them.

The only way it would work is if the room was heavily ventilated directly outdoors and you were wearing a respirator. Instead of the mercury contaminating the room slowly, you would get rid of it quickly.

The only problem is that I have no idea how mercury actually acts. If you blasted it with a hairdryer and it vaporized, only to condense all over everything in the room, I don't think you would be doing yourself any favors.

The best way would be to find the bead of mercury. Probably pretty much impossible on carpet. Vacuum, and throw the bag away. I don't know.

I'd be willing to bet most of the 2,000$ cleanup bill is labor and skill related...

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: SampSon
They give off a very harsh light and make everything tint improperly.

You mean they dont give off that ugly yellow glow that incandescents do?

Whatever you want to call it, sure.
I don't like flourescent light, end of story.

It's funny that someone would consider the horrible CRI(Color Rendering Index) that a regular incandescent bulb has.. to be normal.

2700ºK = ~60CRI

5500ºK = ~90CRI

Sunlight @ Noon = 100CRI.

It was a joke. Liquid mercury doesn't bind up with much on contact except gold so I guess one could sprinkle gold dust around the room to amalgamate the mercury.

The problem with CFLs isn't the color temperature, it is that they have very narrow color (frequency) bands relative to incandescents. That is the source of the sickly, depressing glow. As I said above, the newer ones are getting better in this respect.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
When you build you time machine, light it with sunlight color fluorescent bulbs, so when you meet our caveman ancestors you can ridicule their poor color reproduction from firelight.

I would argue that at NIGHT, incandescent is more "natural" for humans.

Hey, that's actually a good point.. I never even thought about that.

Originally posted by: ironwing

It was a joke. Liquid mercury doesn't bind up with much on contact except gold so I guess one could sprinkle gold dust around the room to amalgamate the mercury.

The problem with CFLs isn't the color temperature, it is that they have very narrow color (frequency) bands relative to incandescents. That is the source of the sickly, depressing glow. As I said above, the newer ones are getting better in this respect.

Ah.

I was just basing that on temperature. If hitting the mercury with a hairdryer really causes it to vaporize, it would make sense that it would condense on contact with a cooler surface. I think having a layer of mercury all over everything in the room, even a molecule thick, would be a bad thing. That's probably what would happen over time if you just left it alone anyway, though.

That is very true. Nearly all fluorescents frequency curve is very spiky. Unfortunately most manufacturers don't include it on their retail packaging. I guess it doesn't bother me very much?

It was a little odd at first, but I quickly got used to it and now trying to work with small parts and things under yellow light sucks.

 

[Rubycon]

A few things:

CRI ? Color temperature. There is a relationship but to say it's even close to parallel is incorrect.

All fluorescent lamps will have an arc that produces shortwave ultraviolet radiation. The phosphor coating on the inside of the tube is important to "convert" this output into useful light for humans to live with. Phosphors producing more natural "full" spectrum output will also reduce efficacy of the lamp so it's always a game of balance. Generally the fluorescent colors such as light white with moderately poor CRI will have the highest efficacies and the cooler "chroma" types will have lower efficacies - but still greater than tungsten halogen bulbs.

I posted some spectral plots of lamps in the car HID thread a few days ago.

Incandescent bulbs actually have very HIGH CRI - the 3000°K tungsten halogen lamps can easily be considered 98 with these lamps. Tungsten bulbs running on lower voltage or dimmers will still have GOOD CRI, however blues won't look as good. A 230V lamp running at 120V will still have better CRI than a HPS and uncoated mercury vapor lamp.

CFL's are definitely getting better with managing color rendition, color temperature, and efficacy. Reliability is not as good as it SHOULD be, however with most "home improvement" center brands.

Nipping on the heals of the improved CFL is the LED. They have a very bright future - pun not intended.