Why I'm Supporting Hillary Clinton For President 2008

[Thump553]

I've been lukewarm supporting Hillary since the beginning, primarily because of the bonus of having Bill around and the fact that her election would (hopefully) give Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, etc. heart attacks. In the last few weeks however I've been switching over to Obama. I'm still not sold on the fuzzy "change" speeches (I bet 3/4 of Presidential candidates claim to be for change) but rather because he's smart, he thinks and I think he is the best hope to get this government out of the terrible destructive and/or nonfunctioning entity it has become.

I think experience is over-sold, I'd rather have a President that (a) thinks and (b) surrounds him/herself with quality staff.

If Obama becomes President then perhaps this country can regain the moral high ground and leadership that it should have.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Thump553
I've been lukewarm supporting Hillary since the beginning, primarily because of the bonus of having Bill around and the fact that her election would (hopefully) give Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, etc. heart attacks. In the last few weeks however I've been switching over to Obama. I'm still not sold on the fuzzy "change" speeches (I bet 3/4 of Presidential candidates claim to be for change) but rather because he's smart, he thinks and I think he is the best hope to get this government out of the terrible destructive and/or nonfunctioning entity it has become.

I think experience is over-sold, I'd rather have a President that (a) thinks and (b) surrounds him/herself with quality staff.

If Obama becomes President then perhaps this country can regain the moral high ground and leadership that it should have.

I was seriously thinking of supporting Obama, but so many of his supporters act so much like the Ron Paul zealots that I'm backing off on him, enough to even seriously consider voting for McCain should Obama get the dem nomination.

 

[BoberFett]

Wow. I knew you were a tool 1EZduzit, but this clinches it. You let others choose your vote for you?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Wow. I knew you were a tool 1EZduzit, but this clinches it. You let others choose your vote for you?

Frankly in could care less what you think. I see a disturbing pattern in the Obama supporters that I don't care for. I've decide to vote for Hillary in the general elction if given the chance, but if not, then screw it. McCains a tool, but he's a known commodity that I think I can live with with. Romney would work for me on the R side too.

Politics is a dirty business but I've never been a dirty player.... until now.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
If you think Hillary can bring back the late 90's economy you really need to take an economics class.

No, you are the one who need to take some economics class to see how fiscal policies from the White house can affect the economy. While you are at it, read Greenspan's Age of Turbulence and see how Clinton is the one that worked most closely with him to get the economy going.

What the fuck are you talking about?

The 90s economy was about the huge bubble in growth stocks, specifically tech/internet stocks.

It was artificial. It was yet another period in the 20th century where some idiots thought that technology somehow changed the fundamental theories of economics and allowed obscene prices on stocks for almost non-existent earnings or prospects of actual earnings.

It was a feel good era where people talked at parties about how they became rich by investing in these stocks. Many people put their savings into these stocks and lost 80+% of it. To put it in perspective, it takes 500% gains to make up for an 80% lost...

Alan Greenspan lost it in his last years and thought he could control the market better than it could control itself. He added fuel to the Housing bubble with the ridiculous interest rate reductions in 2000-3 in an effort to repair the damage of the tech stock bubble.

Really, when you think about it, the current bear market is a lingering result of the fucking tech stock crash of the artificial 90s.

There were 22 million new jobs created during Clinton's 8 years in office. For those 22 million, you would be hard pressed to convince them that growth was artificial. Median household incomes showed drastic growth. The economic growth of Bush's tenure is more similar to what you are trying to describe. Job growth has been relatively flat, and median household income has fallen. The growth we have seen in the last seven years has been limited to stocks and real estate.

 

[SSSnail]

Obama supporters reminds me of the 2004 election "Anybody but Hillary"... WTF is that? And don't tell me that this is not true.

I've read about Obama, listen to his speeches, debates etc... Frankly, he's not half the man that most of his supporters painted him to be.

As I've said before, if you put of hate aside and actually listen to what Hillary is saying, you might be surprised. I don't think I've ever said I hated any candidates, therefore I think I've listened to all of them subjectively and drew my conclusion from listening to the candidates, not sound bites or opinionated posting on a freaking forum.