Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Iran's constution says so:Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
How do you know that?Originally posted by: Lemon law
...Achmadinejad does not have much political power in Iran...
Article 57 [Separation of Powers]
The powers of government in the Islamic Republic are vested in the legislature, the judiciary, and the executive powers, functioning under the supervision of the absolute religious Leader and the Leadership of the Ummah, in accordance with the forthcoming articles of this Constitution. These powers are independent of each other.
Put simply; Ali Khamenei is Supreme Leader, and those the Guardian Counsel are the big guns, while as president Ahmadinejad is way down the totem poll.
Irony.Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I doubt you have any positive proof to back up your diatribe....
That did not answer the question.......nice try.....
Originally posted by: OCguy
I look forward to the day that oil is not the blood of the world so that assholes like this go back to being irrelevant goat herders.
Originally posted by: Citrix
seriously, wtf is wrong with this guy? denying that the holocaust happened then being proud of such ignorance? i just dont get it.
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Iran's Ahmadinejad proud of Holocaust denial
AP
TEHRAN, Iran ? Iran's president said Monday he is proud to stoke international outrage with his latest remarks denying the Holocaust as he heads for the United Nations this week ? showing he is as defiant as ever while his country comes under greater pressure to curtail its nuclear program.
Originally posted by: Grunt03
As if he hasn't done enough already, isn't he going to give a speech to the UN this week. Hopefully they will only show him the door.........
Originally posted by: Sinsear
And to think that the iranians voted for him, overwhelmingly. Iran is the enemy of the free world.
this last election seems to show how much power imadinerjacket is taking. he may not formally have much power under the constitution, but he's very well connected amongst the militia and other conservative groups. those groups may now be controlling the apparatus of state moreso than khameneiOriginally posted by: Lemon law
But make no mistake, Achmadinejad does not have much political power in Iran, and if the dumb ass current Iranian Ayatollah is dumb enough to support him and his current fraud reelection, I can take a certain amount of comfort that Achmadinejad and the Iranian Mullahs have opted to go the way of the Shah. It will take some time, but their days are numbered.
LOL at bald faced denial of reality. :laugh: It's well known that the prez of iran does not have a lot of power. They say as much on every news station regularly.Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
That did not answer the question.......nice try.....
Can you quote Ahmadinejad disputing any specific historical facts? From all I've seen of him, he simply takes issue with how such historical understanding has been guarded and exploited to manipulate perceptions, but has never denied that the fact that the genocide took place. Not too long ago, I stumbled across Scott Adams of Dilbert fame doing an excellent job of sarcastically summing up the same understanding I have of this matter:Originally posted by: jonks
I applaud his tenacity and dedication to uncovering truth, no matter how well documented and established and verified and proven 1000 times over such historical events seem to be.
So, is there any more substance to the charge against Ahmadinejad here than what is addressed above?A Feeling I'm Being Had
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Ahmadinejad also called the holocaust a "myth." Fuck him! A myth is
something a society uses to frame their understanding of their world, and
act accordingly. It's not as if the world created a whole new country
because of holocaust guilt and gives it a free pass no matter what it
does. That's Iranian crazy talk. Ahmadinejad can blow me.
Most insulting is the fact that "myth" implies the holocaust didn't
happen. Fuck him for saying that! He also says he won't dispute the
historical claims of European scientists. That is obviously the opposite of
saying the holocaust didn't happen, which I assume is his way of
confusing me. God-damned fucker.
Furthermore, why does an Iranian guy give a speech in his own language
except for using the English word "myth"? Aren't there any Iranian
words for saying a set of historical facts has achieved an unhealthy level
of influence on a specific set of decisions in the present? He's just
being an asshole.
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Originally posted by: kylebisme
Can you quote Ahmadinejad disputing any specific historical facts?
During a speech Friday, he questioned whether the Holocaust was "a real event" and called it a pretext used by Jews to trick the West into backing the creation of Israel. He said the Jewish state was created out of "a lie and a mythical claim."
"If the Holocaust was a real event, why don't they allow research on it to clear up facts," said Ahmadinejad."
?Our call over the past four years has been if the Holocaust claimed by the Zionist regime and its allies is true, why they (Zionists and westerners) do not allow any research on it??
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Of course if I felt that some asshole was sitting on my brother's head for 60 years I might also become a inclined to minimize my sympathy for him.
No. He claims the Holocaust is a "myth." However, when asked to clarify what he means he goes on with a bunch of smoke, mirrors, and handwaving about him being an academician along with a bunch of meaningless crap about scientific studies before he redirects the question into a rant about Palestinians.Originally posted by: kylebisme
I had asked you to quote him disputing any specific historical facts. I didn't need you to quote people piecemeal quoting him to make an argument, as there is so much of that to it would be hard to miss. Anyway, doing a bit of digging for the relevant context of the snippets you presented, I found the "a real event" comment is simply the introduction of an argument, as can be found here:
"If the Holocaust was a real event, why don't they allow research on it to clear up facts," said Ahmadinejad."
And to clarify that comment, I'll quote a different translation from his website:
?Our call over the past four years has been if the Holocaust claimed by the Zionist regime and its allies is true, why they (Zionists and westerners) do not allow any research on it??
So, he we have him doing nothing more than presenting the same argument he has for years; taking issue with how the collective understanding called "The Holocaust" has been guarded and exploited to manipulate perceptions, and not denying that the fact that the Nazi genocide of Jews took place. Can you acknowledge the difference between the two?
Right, I quoted Scott Adams adressing that above.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
He claims the Holocaust is a "myth."
Rather, he explains his position, notably:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
However, when asked to clarify what he means he goes on with a bunch of smoke, mirrors, and handwaving...
There you go, he clearly isn't denying the facts, as he just acknowledged the Nazi genocide of Jews. Granted, he did so along with that of Slavs, Poles, Romani, and everyone else Hitler also deemed "untermensch", and the deaths of the millions more who otherwise did not live though the war. While his statement obviously contradicts the commonly accepted belief that a select group of those killed should be exalted above all others, that is an expression of a difference in opinion rather than any denial of fact; and all that the smoke, mirrors, and handwaving you are sensing is coming from those who have mislead you into believing otherwise.In the second World War, over 60 million people lost their lives. They were all human beings. Why is it that only a select group of those who were killed have become so prominent and important?
Of course you sound like a falser trying to claim the impact damage of rubble and office fires could have made WTC7 collapse with a period of free fall covering around 8 stories worth of structure, which reminds me of an excellent video addressing this phenomena that I stumbled upon just the other day.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
He sounds like a truther trying to rebut the facts about 9/11 and failing miserably in the process by providing nothing of substance.
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Of course you sound like a falser trying to claim the impact damage of rubble and office fires could have made WTC7 collapse with a period of free fall covering around 8 stories
Yeah, the guy that writes the Dilbert comic. Very insightful.Originally posted by: kylebisme
Right, I quoted Scott Adams adressing that above.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
He claims the Holocaust is a "myth."
No he doesn't refute his denial. Claiming a select group was killed does not acknowledge that he agrees it was genocide or homicide. You are playing very fast and loose with his statements. And trying to pretend it was genocide for all and that the Nazis didn't specially and particularly target the Jews shows how you yourself are full of shit on the issue. Congrats on your own apologism for the Holocaust.Rather, he explains his position, notably:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
However, when asked to clarify what he means he goes on with a bunch of smoke, mirrors, and handwaving...
There you go, he clearly isn't denying the facts, as he just acknowledged the Nazi genocide of Jews. Granted, he did so along with that of Slavs, Poles, Romani, and everyone else Hitler also deemed "untermensch", and the deaths of the millions more who otherwise did not live though the war. While his statement obviously contradicts the commonly accepted belief that a select group of those killed should be exalted above all others, that is an expression of a difference in opinion rather than any denial of fact; and all that the smoke, mirrors, and handwaving you are sensing is coming from those who have mislead you into believing otherwise.In the second World War, over 60 million people lost their lives. They were all human beings. Why is it that only a select group of those who were killed have become so prominent and important?
[/quote]Of course you sound like a falser trying to claim the impact damage of rubble and office fires could have made WTC7 collapse with a period of free fall covering around 8 stories worth of structure, which reminds me of an excellent video addressing this phenomena that I stumbled upon just the other day.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
He sounds like a truther trying to rebut the facts about 9/11 and failing miserably in the process by providing nothing of substance.
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
At least he isn't in Germany/Austria, where Holocaust denial costs you 6 months in jail. So much for the West's vaunted freedom of speech?
Yes, really. Did you watch the video I posted?Originally posted by: ElFenix
ORLY?
Am I to take that to mean you don't possess the intelectual honesty to respect the difference between refering to a historcal event as "something a society uses to frame their understanding of their world, and act accordingly" and denying it?Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah, the guy that writes the Dilbert comic. Very insightful.
Because he didn't deny any facts.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
No he doesn't refute his denial.
Rather, I know for a fact it was an attempted genocide of many groups of people which Hitler branded as sub-human, as I noted above. For example sake, in regard to Poles:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Claiming a select group was killed does not acknowledge that he agrees it was genocide or homicide. You are playing very fast and loose with his statements. And trying to pretend it was genocide for all and that the Nazis didn't specially and particularly target the Jews shows how you yourself are full of shit on the issue.
Am I to take it you are a denier of the Nazi's attempts at genocide against any group aside from Jews?On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need".
I have never made any apologies for any such horrors, you delusional twit.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Congrats on your own apologism for the Holocaust.
You are one who brought 9/11 into this, and you are the one deflecting now, as you apparently have some inkling of the fact that your arguments here stand on nothing but a giant pile of bullshit.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Nice attempt at deflection.
Ahmadinejad has his share of problems, his "in Iran we don't have homosexuals" being an obvious example. However, at least from all I've seen of him, he isn't one to speculate on others genitalia. Paging Dr. Freud...Originally posted by: sportage
Wow... Ahmadinejad is pretty short. Probably has an equally matched weewee.
And there could be the source of his... ... ... problem.