Why is America such a selfish country?

[infoiltrator]

Yes Americans want to live there own lives and promote their own culture. Why is this reprehensible in Americans, who live well by it, and imperialistic because they expect to continue to have access to resources they have often paid to developer and exploit.
Meanwhile cultures who routinely demean their own people and are determined to spread that misery in all way are deemed worthy?

The traditional means of dealing with terrorism is genocide. If you won't control your own people die with them.
America has tried to avoid this, mostly, at least lately.

 

[boomerang]

Not really propaganda as much as it was an example of how republican interrogators suck at interrogation.

The information that Iraq had WMDs came after a person was tortured interrogated with a bit of force. Historically, torture was used to get false confessions, and that's exactly what happened. Guy is being roughed up a little, he wants it to stop, so he'll throw out whatever the interrogator wants to hear. In this case, he said Iraq was working on weapons of mass destruction. That information goes up the chain of command and suddenly honorable people like Colin Powell are putting their reputation on the line to say this information is legit. I feel bad for Powell. He got royally fucked over.


What's weird is that it has been known for a very very long time that torture doesn't work. The captive will throw out random information and you have no way of knowing what's real and what's not real. They'll say whatever they think you want to hear. The most effective interrogation technique is to befriend the person in captivity. Nazi Germany's best interrogator was very friendly. He would take prisoners to his own home to have dinner with his family.

In more recent times, you can get information by giving someone sugar free cookies.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1901491,00.html


So yeah. Invading countries and that stuff is all caused by putting 5 year old kids in charge of interrogations.

Let it go....
Let it go....

 

[Ausm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAgv6HaOHzM

Oh boy my favorite batshit crazy Neocon!

 

[OutHouse]

new rule of mine. when asshats like the OP start a thread and do not participate in said threads i am not responding.

doing thread drivebys or making trolling threads like this should be cause to lock them up.

 

[CPA]

If you were a Rich Republican wouldn't you want in on the action?

Liberal motto = "Vote for your self-interest" Is that not selfish?

 

[CPA]

It wasn't for oil but to effect change on a region that needs to change but refuses to do so. In 30 years, we'll see if our very modest effort worked. You'll be around on AT then right (assuming AT is still around)?

Proof that it wasn't for oil? What oil infrastructure that we captured and took over are we controlling right now? You'll be searching for a long time on that one...

Chuck

shhhhh..., don't let facts confuse them. Don't you know that $4 gasoline would be $8 if we didn't take all that Iraqi oil and their facilities???

 

[Toasthead]

im sorry...where is all this oil we've taken? I certainly am not seeing it.

 

[1prophet]

I'm surprised to see someone still spouting this nonsense.

With hindsight, and now that we've left Iraq, it's abundantly obvious we took no oil even though we could have had we wanted.

Fern

If there was no oil there would we have invaded twice?

 

[ShawnD1]

If there was no oil there would we have invaded twice?

The first time yes. Iraq invaded Kuwait, so a UN coalition fought back. The current Afghanistan project has or had international support as well.

 

[chucky2]

shhhhh..., don't let facts confuse them. Don't you know that $4 gasoline would be $8 if we didn't take all that Iraqi oil and their facilities???

Oh, absolutely. And that we killed 1M Iraqi's. The 'White Guilt' like delusions some people have are so amazing it's truly scary. Even worse, these people vote.

Chuck

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I love trolls!

 

[chucky2]

Doesn't help when Bush officials pretty much admit it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAgv6HaOHzM




It's almost like Bush thought he could just waltz into Iraq, setup a stable government, and setup infrastructure/deals to get Iraq's oil, but it didn't go quite like it planned.

It's almost like the public turned against our presence in Iraq

It's almost like there isn't currently a shithead republican as president right now.

I had to wait to get done working tonight to take a look at this amazing link, the smoking gun. Talk about underwhelming...a meaningless comment hyped by a BDS'r. This may come as a shock to you, but, er, of course we're going to act - in that entire region - not only for our interests but for World interests. 404 This has nothing to do with Iraq found.

 

[OCGuy]

What oil did we take over? Please elaborate.

 

[chucky2]

The OP/BDS'rs can't. They can only resort to posting meaningless links and try and hamstring in some kind of OMG weez went 2 capture they oilz!!!!!!shift1!!!! Then they'll devolve into saying US/West servicepeople killed 1M Iraqi's. Or, Bush did it himself, barehanded. I've been involved at different levels with a couple of bipolar people, BDS'rs remind me of them when they're on the manic crest.

 

[cybrsage]

Do we all agree that the US is the most giving country? With Ireland in the number two spot and Australia in the number three spot? You know, what the facts actually show?

To be honest, I did not expect Ireland to be number two...they are a relatively small country with a lot of problems of their own.

 

[ky54]

To be honest, I did not expect Ireland to be number two...they are a relatively small country with a lot of problems of their own.

Which shows how cheap the other industrialized countries are that love to say how cheap we are.

 

[marincounty]

Actually the U.S. is very selfish when it comes to foreign aid. We give the most because we have the largest economy. On a percentage basis we are one of the least giving.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304375@N07/2430030144/lightbox/

The median amount found in one poll indicate people believe 10 percent should be spent on foreign aid. That is more than 100 times the amount the united States spends and almost 10 times the entire Federal International Affairs Budget.

 

[ShawnD1]

The median amount found in one poll indicate people believe 10 percent should be spent on foreign aid. That is more than 100 times the amount the united States spends and almost 10 times the entire Federal International Affairs Budget.

Yeah but that's based on polls where people think money is magical. Ask them if they would be willing to raise their taxes by 10% then give it directly to foreign aid. I bet ~0% would say yes.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I cannot use the video you linked. I don't have audio on my PC.

What have seen said by Bush admin officials is an admittance that Iraq's oil gave it strategic interest to us. I would think that's obvious. However, that isn't anything like the OP the stated.

Bush had many years to get Iraq to make favorable oil deals with us and, to my knowledge, never made any effort at it. I recall the Iraq govt dealing directly with oil companies some year ago, it's just none of our companies bid successfully.

However, even that whole premise is BS. We all know that oil is a fungible commodity on the world market. In terms of the price of gas it doesn't matter who gets the contract, all that matters is that it gets to market.

The only benefit I see in US corps getting the contracts is some income tax revenue for the US govt. How much revenue that might be depends upon a number of factors, including but not limited to Iraq's corporate tax structure. Since it w/b Iraq source income they have to first right to taxation meaning we have to give a credit for it. There's also the question of royalties. Many other countries charge a large royalty (some up to 90% IIRC). This is one of my grips with the US govt. We charge far too small amount of a royalty IMO. Heck, the Clinton admin managed to give out contracts with zero royalties. (They claimed it was an error.)

Fern

There has been little or no Iraqi' oil shipped in the last ten years. Many are mistaken in thinking Bush invaded Iraq to get their oil. It was to stop Sadam's Black Market Oil Sales, a favor to the House of Saudi, ridding them of their competition's glutting of the World oil market, undercutting Saudi profits..

 

[WHAMPOM]

Do we all agree that the US is the most giving country? With Ireland in the number two spot and Australia in the number three spot? You know, what the facts actually show?

To be honest, I did not expect Ireland to be number two...they are a relatively small country with a lot of problems of their own.

How do you not understand guilt, a special attribute of Catholic Ireland?

 

[davmat787]

Actually the U.S. is very selfish when it comes to foreign aid. We give the most because we have the largest economy. On a percentage basis we are one of the least giving.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304375@N07/2430030144/lightbox/

The median amount found in one poll indicate people believe 10 percent should be spent on foreign aid. That is more than 100 times the amount the united States spends and almost 10 times the entire Federal International Affairs Budget.

Does that poll include private contributions that make their way overseas? Also, don't forget about aid that comes via the peace corp, doctors without borders, etc.

 

[cybrsage]

How do you not understand guilt, a special attribute of Catholic Ireland?

I am not an Irish Catholic...nor do I know any. No idea about if they have guilt or not. I do know that a bit of them want the Brits off the Irish Island completely, but no idea about their guilt feelings. Are they a very guilt ridden people? Serious question.

 

[blackangst1]

nvm

 

[shortylickens]

Why is America such a selfish country? Why is it that we deliberately fabricated war propaganda for the sole purpose of infiltrating certain middle east territories for their oil?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vscG3k91s58#t=10s