Why is Anandtech 'hatin' on the XP3200+ so much?

[jeffrey]

The Althon XP3200+ was released on May 13th. It is now May 29th.

I always read the Anandtech review of new technologies, even if I read another site that posted a similar article early. Anandtech has not let 16 days pass from when a new chip is launched to when a review is posted for as long as I can remember.

The reason for this post is not that fact that a review was not done, but a review was not posted and the site has been 'hatin' on a chip they have not even covered.

Examples:

"So today, Barton would benefit less from a 400MHz FSB than the Thoroughbred core, which isn't much at this point either. Remember that the main benefit of the 333MHz FSB was latency reduction because of the fact that the FSB and memory bus were finally operating at the same clock speed once again, and not because of the increase in FSB bandwidth."

Anand - Feb. 10, 2003

With PC3200 ram going mainstream not raising the FSB to 400mhz could potentially lead to higher latency.


"Additionally, the 400MHz FSB announcement created a bit of a stir in the AMD community. Officially, the XP 3200+ is the only 400MHz AMD CPU available. We have not seen much convincing evidence to prove that there are going to be many other official 400MHZ FSB XP chips, so we may have to see if AMD even pursues this technology. Remember, the Athlon64 to be launched in September is supposed to completely replace the AMD XP line. Thus, the XP processors will assume the role of low end processing."

Kristopher Kubicki - May 26, 2003

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Edited for a math error.

 

[Kyteland]

Not to nitpick, but that's only 16 days, not 26.

 

[DaveSimmons]

maybe they're trying to be polite to AMD and not devote a front-page article to showing how (literally) overrated this CPU is against the P4 3.0C ?

 

[jeffrey]

I just don't understand.... I tried to find the news post from someone at Anandtech who said the review was coming, but I didn't see it. Did the staff entirely write off any 400mhz FSB Bartons? Would they even acknowledge a Athlon XP3400 if it was released?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Maybe they're waiting on the Hammer, or they're too busy playing those Doom 3 playtests on it to benchmark.

- M4H

 

[Ketchup]

You can't call Anand 'hatin' for being honest, and I saw nothing mean spirited in the exerpts you pointed out. AMD will be phasing out the XP line as a point of fact. Plus, I feel the 3200 barely deserves a 3000 rating, so if you are an AMD fan, you better be glad Anand didn't take an entire review to point out how slow their latest chip is.

 

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
Plus, I feel the 3200 barely deserves a 3000 rating, so if you are an AMD fan, you better be glad Anand didn't take an entire review to point out how slow their latest chip is.

That's the whole point, that is what I want.... the truth from an unbiased source. I don't care who comes out on top. I just take issue with releasing all the Canterwood/Springdale/800mhz FSB P4 articles and ignoring the competition. For all I care oc a P4 to 3.2ghz and shame the Athlon XP, but at least cover the part.

 

[SexyK]

I suspect they are waiting for the impending P4 3.2GHz release for a head to head comparison. Could be wrong though. I do remember a staffer posting something about the review coming out "tomorrow" on the day of the 3200+ release though. Weird.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I now get the feeling you're complaining on why they didn't make an article for it. I think something happened because somewhere on the forums one staff member mentioed seeing Anand working on the rough draft or something and Anand himself said he'll put it up later because he wanted to give people a chance to see the Doom 3 results without clogging up the servers.

All I can say is, these guys know what they're doing. Also, Toms Hardware talks about it performing between a 2.6C and 2.8C, or was it a 2.8C and 3.0C? Whatever it is, it looks like their PR is way overrated.

Maybe something happened, or maybe they're just busy, or maybe they saw something else with the processor noone else did and are looking into it a bit more

All I'm trying to say is, they aren't 'hatin' but they must have a reason. I mean, if you had the time and resources, and a rough draft done, with no legal stuff stopping you. Would you just hold back a review? No, you would get it out because thats what people want. There must be some factor causing a delay or maybe they decided not to even make an article for it because they didn't feel it needed one. Whatever it is, there must be some good reason.

 

[AndyHui]

Why would we hate it? I seriously do not understand the reasoning here.

We haven't done a review of the Intel Celeron since the 1.7, and now what speed are they up to? You cannot draw the conclusion from this that we hate it.

 

[Regs]

I'm a AMD fan and I totally agree with the article. The 3200 AMD is just like any other 333 FSB XP except its overclocked to a 400 FSB. That does not mean they hate it, just means AMD made a cpu that defaults at 400 FSB.

 

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Why would we hate it? I seriously do not understand the reasoning here.

We haven't done a review of the Intel Celeron since the 1.7, and now what speed are they up to? You cannot draw the conclusion from this that we hate it.

I did not say that Anandtech or any of its contributors hate it. I stated that I felt the site was 'hatin' on the Athlon XP3200+... kinda like 'dissin' it

By the way, when was the last time that Intel's flagship processor was looked over, especially a new flagship processor with an increased FSB frequency.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: jeffrey

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Why would we hate it? I seriously do not understand the reasoning here.

We haven't done a review of the Intel Celeron since the 1.7, and now what speed are they up to? You cannot draw the conclusion from this that we hate it.

I did not say that Anandtech or any of its contributors hate it. I stated that I felt the site was 'hatin' on the Athlon XP3200+... kinda like 'dissin' it

By the way, when was the last time that Intel's flagship processor was looked over, especially a new flagship processor with an increased FSB frequency.

Just recently. Actually, 8 days ago from the time of this post. They include Hyper Threading and an 800mhz FSB. Yeah, and as for replacing a NEW flagship cpu, they didn't need to immediatly because they already had the lead in performance.

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: jeffrey

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Why would we hate it? I seriously do not understand the reasoning here.

We haven't done a review of the Intel Celeron since the 1.7, and now what speed are they up to? You cannot draw the conclusion from this that we hate it.

I did not say that Anandtech or any of its contributors hate it. I stated that I felt the site was 'hatin' on the Athlon XP3200+... kinda like 'dissin' it

By the way, when was the last time that Intel's flagship processor was looked over, especially a new flagship processor with an increased FSB frequency.

If you don't want Anandtech to think you hate it, then don't use a word (actually more slang than anything) that starts with hate. Anyway, you have you answer.

 

[Chobits]

They shouldn't have made a 3200+...they should've made 3500/3600+s and maybe up to 3800+

 

[AndyHui]

Originally posted by: jeffrey
I did not say that Anandtech or any of its contributors hate it. I stated that I felt the site was 'hatin' on the Athlon XP3200+... kinda like 'dissin' it

By the way, when was the last time that Intel's flagship processor was looked over, especially a new flagship processor with an increased FSB frequency.

I see. So you are saying we hurt the XP3200+ 's feelings because we left it out. Since the XP3200+ is such a big guy, it just won't be the same if we leave him out of the party.

I shall write an apology card to the XP3200+ immediately.

 

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by: AndyHui

Originally posted by: jeffrey
I did not say that Anandtech or any of its contributors hate it. I stated that I felt the site was 'hatin' on the Athlon XP3200+... kinda like 'dissin' it

By the way, when was the last time that Intel's flagship processor was looked over, especially a new flagship processor with an increased FSB frequency.

I see. So you are saying we hurt the XP3200+ 's feelings because we left it out. Since the XP3200+ is such a big guy, it just won't be the same if we leave him out of the party.

I shall write an apology card to the XP3200+ immediately.

I'm sorry that you responded to this thread in that manner. Espcially since in your post you chose the term we. I hope your sarcasm and taunting are not representative of the Anandtech staff. This site has been several hundred feet above that kind of attitude and I hope that your use of we was not endorsed by Anand.

Your post, alarmingly as a member of staff, dismissing the Athlon XP3200+ provides further support (and the most blatant thus far) to my original claim.

Anandtech's position in the online community did NOT arise from arrogance, but from objectivity.

 

[jacktesterson]

Id go steal Hitlers car than kill myself before using an intel

entire life has been filled with nothing but problems from Intel, AMD ive never had one

maybe my luck, but Intel is overpriced peices of monkey poop

 

[jacktesterson]

Intel fans can be intel fans.

What can we do. Its all opinion. you guys at Anandtech are too woried about stats on paper...**whooo my game went from 234 FPS to 244!!! thats incredible*** kinda deal. If I cant see an difference with the human eye, theres no point upgrading in my opinion.


like I said everyone has there own rights, and I persoanlly beleive Jeff thinks your dissing AMD. Thats his opion and hes entitled to it.

remember theres always fans of the other product so on professional sites like these you have to be equal minded.

 

[Syborg1211]

I'm sorry that you responded to this thread in that manner. Espcially since in your post you chose the term we. I hope your sarcasm and taunting are not representative of the Anandtech staff. This site has been several hundred feet above that kind of attitude and I hope that your use of we was not endorsed by Anand.

I can't help asking but... are you that ignorant? Anandtech may not have the time nor the resources to be reviewing EVERY processor that comes out. A speed bump for a processor happens so frequently that it's tough to cover every stinkin one. Maybe they're busy covering a motherboard or something else right now? Maybe they're trying not to waste a whole LOT of time, because it takes a LOT of time to do all the benches, on a processor that will not show a significant enough boost in performance to warrant the use of their time to review. Doing a review will only show one thing, that the processor does not deserve the PR rating that it has. Everyone seems to know that, so why bother? You're acting like it's easy to do reviews, but you go and try swapping out your processor a few times and see how easy that is on top of taking benches and trying to maintain absolute uniformity between them all.

Originally posted by: AMDHardcoreFan
Id go steal Hitlers car than kill myself before using an intel

entire life has been filled with nothing but problems from Intel, AMD ive never had one

maybe my luck, but Intel is overpriced peices of monkey poop

That was completely unnecesary and highly biased. Highly off topic as well. Where in the crap did Intel vs. AMD ever come into this thread???

 

[butch84]

*watches while thread disintegrates into a flame war and laughs . . . . mwhahahaa

 

[Double Trouble]

I personally don't give a lick about Intel vs AMD vs whoever else, I don't care about the companies. I care about objective information on the performance and features of hardware. AT has always delivered that.

I'm a little surprised to, that the Athlon 3200+ has not been covered, other than some blurbs in articles on other processors/chipsets etc. I would think that the flagship processor from AMD or Intel, especially one that uses a higher FSB than before would be covered - for better or worse. If the thing gets spanked by other processors, then so be it!

 

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by: tagej
I personally don't give a lick about Intel vs AMD vs whoever else, I don't care about the companies. I care about objective information on the performance and features of hardware. AT has always delivered that.

I'm a little surprised to, that the Athlon 3200+ has not been covered, other than some blurbs in articles on other processors/chipsets etc. I would think that the flagship processor from AMD or Intel, especially one that uses a higher FSB than before would be covered - for better or worse. If the thing gets spanked by other processors, then so be it!

Thank you for that post. Finally, someone who has similar feelings :beer:

 

[OddTSi]

If ever there was an AMD v. Intel thread in disguise....

Does anyone think that perhaps Anand might be busy? Afterall it is end-of-school-year time, he probably has finals to worry about.

Also, I haven't seen a review of the 2.4c, 2.6c, and 2.8c P4s either. I guess Anand is "hatin" on both AMD and Intel. He probably just signed a full endorsement dial for Via and he's going to promote their newest processor in an attempt for them to gain market share. That bastard.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Why would we hate it? I seriously do not understand the reasoning here.

We haven't done a review of the Intel Celeron since the 1.7, and now what speed are they up to? You cannot draw the conclusion from this that we hate it.

OMG Anand hates the Celeron too ... it must be CPU discrimination <grin> just kiddin

Thorin