Why is ATOT so conservative?

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

Very true. And it's mostly to do with the age/having no responsibilities expecting others to do for you instead of doing for yourself.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

Very true. And it's mostly to do with the age/having no responsibilities expecting others to do for you instead of doing for yourself.

If I had a dime for every time I saw this exact same self-congratulatory conservative circle jerk...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Martin
I had poll in ATOT a while ago about evolution, and the results were pretty conclusive: one out of every five people there is certifiably retarded.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2001646&enterthread=y

The good news that this number is half of the general US population... and the bad news is that the US population is twice as retarded as ATOT :


Anyway, to answer your question: ATOT gives you a somewhat decent cross section of society, since being into computers doesn't really mean you're smarter, more progressive, more liberal etc.

There is a difference between ignorance (which these people in your poll are), and stupidity (which you are for claiming they are retarded).

so you are both claiming that belief in evolution is an indicator of ignorance or certifiable mental deficiency? Do you realize what that sounds like? (I'm referring to the whistling noise as the air escapes from your ear canals....)

EDIT: I'm retarded, and suck at math. my apologies

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

Very true. And it's mostly to do with the age/having no responsibilities expecting others to do for you instead of doing for yourself.

If I had a dime for every time I saw this exact same self-congratulatory conservative circle jerk...

No ******...this kind of BS propagates the further bastardization of the true mening of "liberal" It's sad that the constitution, the document which conservatives hold next to the bible as gospel, smacks of true liberalism. If a liberal has a moral agenda, aimed at consitutional law, then consider me guilty. Just b/c a few of the moonbats out there can't distinguish true, economic environmental awareness from the farce that is greenpeace, doesn't mean that people like me blame the other side for anne coulter...wait, nvm. she is your fault

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Martin
I had poll in ATOT a while ago about evolution, and the results were pretty conclusive: one out of every five people there is certifiably retarded.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2001646&enterthread=y

The good news that this number is half of the general US population... and the bad news is that the US population is twice as retarded as ATOT :


Anyway, to answer your question: ATOT gives you a somewhat decent cross section of society, since being into computers doesn't really mean you're smarter, more progressive, more liberal etc.

There is a difference between ignorance (which these people in your poll are), and stupidity (which you are for claiming they are retarded).

so you are both claiming that belief in evolution is an indicator of ignorance or certifiable mental deficiency? Do you realize what that sounds like? (I'm referring to the whistling noise as the air escapes from your ear canals....)

No, I'm claiming that if a person past a certain age (say, 25) thinks the earth is less than 10000 years old and humans were suddenly created, then its a pretty good indicator that there's something really wrong with them. I use 'retarded' loosely, and it encompasses a lot of things - stupidity, ignorance, lack of curiosity, arrogance, egomania etc.

 

[dahunan]

Selfishness.. that is what it has to do with.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

Very true. And it's mostly to do with the age/having no responsibilities expecting others to do for you instead of doing for yourself.

If I had a dime for every time I saw this exact same self-congratulatory conservative circle jerk...

You'd have a dime?

Now... If I had a dime for every self congratulatory liberal circle jerk on these forums... I'd have three times as many dimes as you.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spidey07
A lot of them are go-getters and motivated people. They've "grown up" and understand and made the shift to conservative.

It's still very young though so still very liberal. Go to another board where the majority are adults and you'll see it split right down the middle, possible leaning more towards conservative.

Heh... reminded me of the saying: "If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."

As for this forum being conservative... every poll that indicates a leaning to one side or the other seems to split 2:1 toward the left, so I'm not exactly sure what the OP is looking at.

Very true. And it's mostly to do with the age/having no responsibilities expecting others to do for you instead of doing for yourself.

If I had a dime for every time I saw this exact same self-congratulatory conservative circle jerk...

You'd have a dime?

Now... If I had a dime for every self congratulatory liberal circle jerk on these forums... I'd have three times as many dimes as you.

I'd watch your step man. The floor is getting more slippery in here as we speak. :beer:

 

[Vic]

ATOT is not conservative. It is fully mixed but decidedly moderate, with just a hint left of the libertarianism that used to prevail here prior to 9/11.

It's all a matter of perspective I guess. ATPN bends strongly to the communist left (yaknow, the ones who call themselves liberals but are actually anything but). So yeah, if you're one of those deluded kind, then it's no surprise you'd think ATOT is conservative. Commies think that everyone who disagrees with them is their enemy.

 

[daniel49]

don't hang around P and N much do you?:roll:

 

[dahunan]

Do conservatives even know what they stand for anymore? Their President surely doesn't follow what they believe in

 

[First]

^ Agreed, there's no such thing as conservative in this administration so it's hard to be one these days. They're going the way of the dinosaur, along with serfdom.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do conservatives even know what they stand for anymore? Their President surely doesn't follow what they believe in

Are you referring to Dubbya as a conservative? :laugh:

Bwaahahahahahahahaha... Republican, sure. That's what the little R after his name means. But conservative? Please...

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else---these forums are about debate---and are very different from normal political speech---because posts here are subject to dissection. Very few posts are immune from challenge from those holding different views---and regardless what kinds of political bias one has---the reader will be treated to some well thought out and also some idiotic counter views----the slickly packed political spin line fares less well on forums---and does far better in the real world.

I would even dare to say these forums may be a cross section of the USA---and on P&N somewhat a cross section of the more politically motivated---which may be a weakness because of a general lack of other nationalities posting---its one thing to theorize what a man or woman on the street in Iran, Iraq, or elsewhere should be thinking---its quite another to have an actual cross section of other populations posting what they think. After all, we are now talking the world wide web.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: jack bauer
i have been on this board for about a year now, and noticed a slant toward right wing thinking. i didn't know racists, "religious" christians, and haters in general were so into computers.


Edit: yes, not all conservatives are hateful. but the underlining philosophy tends to lean toward seeing others as less of your equal.

Stereotyping for the win.

FWIW, some of the worst racists I ever read about were not conservatives. Hell, there are some might fine racists in office under the big (D)

Got to love the grouping you make, so let me guess where you stand. Shouldn't be hard.



As for there being a lot of conservatives, those who earn their income tend to see how the government wastes it and suddenly realize the care free days are over. Its one thing to talk about a nicer government and giving people tons of benefits compared to seeing how much of that your obligated for.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Heinrich Himmler
ATPN bends strongly to the communist left (yaknow, the ones who call themselves liberals but are actually anything but). So yeah, if you're one of those deluded kind, then it's no surprise you'd think ATOT is conservative. Commies think that everyone who disagrees with them is their enemy.

:roll: Delusional like McGowen yes but a Commie?? I don't believe so

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Hugo Chavez

Originally posted by: Robert Heinlein
ATPN bends strongly to the communist left (yaknow, the ones who call themselves liberals but are actually anything but). So yeah, if you're one of those deluded kind, then it's no surprise you'd think ATOT is conservative. Commies think that everyone who disagrees with them is their enemy.

:roll: Delusional like McGowen yes but a Commie?? I don't believe so

Well, steeplepuke seems to have left so the commie BS has been diminishing. Still, Craig234 did praise at length the virtues of Huey Long the fascist not long ago, because he mistakenly thought he was another Chavez or Castro. So yeah, the deluded commie left influence is still here.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jack bauer
I have been on this board for about a year now, and noticed a slant toward right wing thinking. I didn't know racists, "religious" christians, and haters in general were so into computers.

If you are speaking about "Off Topic" as opposed to P&N then what you might be seeing is people being outrageous to be outrageous.
In other words, the people on OT don't take politics as serious and therefore can make wild crazy and offensive comments and laugh while they do so, meanwhile MOST of us on P&N take this some what serious and are above outrageous type comments just to get a rise out of people.

BTW P&N ranges between slight to very liberal, depending on the topic.
Might say it is 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 middle of the road people who dislike Bush. Which is why most of us on the right see it as a very liberal board.

Quick note though. Considering Bush's approval ratings are 33% according to the latest USA Today poll... that would seem to be pretty representative of America wouldn't it? Liberal my ass.

Quick note...he said the same thing.

No, he sure didn't.

 

[ayabe]

There are quite a few quality posters on both sides, I take that more into consideration than their left or right slant. If someone is a extreme winger on either direction, depending on who it is, I will be more willing to at least consider their ideas and opinions if they make a unemotional, well thought out argument.

Discourse is what matters and if you limit the flames and strawmen most people here will at least consider what you have to say.

You will get out of P&N what you put in. :beer:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: jack bauer
i have been on this board for about a year now, and noticed a slant toward right wing thinking. i didn't know racists, "religious" christians, and haters in general were so into computers.


Edit: yes, not all conservatives are hateful. but the underlining philosophy tends to lean toward seeing others as less of your equal.

Stereotyping for the win.

FWIW, some of the worst racists I ever read about were not conservatives. Hell, there are some might fine racists in office under the big (D)

Got to love the grouping you make, so let me guess where you stand. Shouldn't be hard.



As for there being a lot of conservatives, those who earn their income tend to see how the government wastes it and suddenly realize the care free days are over. Its one thing to talk about a nicer government and giving people tons of benefits compared to seeing how much of that your obligated for.

More wrong, ideology-based comments from Shvetya.

He complains about stereotyping - by failing to read the post correctly; the OP listed several types of posters he's seen here. Shivetya misread his comment as saying that all conservatives have all those characteristics - poor readind which led him to an erroneous response. But what makes Shivetya's comments an embarrassment is how the OP explicitly said he was not generalizing about conservatives, and Shivetya just ignored that. I won't even get into his complaining about stereotyping.

Racists and democrats - wrong again. There is a high correlation between racism and the right wing. Most right-wingers are against the worst sorts of racism, but the left is much more committed to fighting racism and other bigotry. It's the democrats who led the way in the vey hard battle, from earlier social breakthroughs such as black court appointments by Truman as recess appointments to get around the Senate, and his integration of the military, to LBJ and congressional democrats choosing to greatly ruin the democrats' chances in presidential elections for decades to come by pushing through the civil rights bill, with strong support in both parties outside the south, but which led to the loss of the south which was so important to democrats (a non-southern democrats has not been elected president in the 40 years since it passing, following predecessors including JFK, Truman and FDR).

The right cannot make its attack it wants to badly that 'the democrats are bad too!' Most often, they cite Robert Byrd using inaccurrate arguments, with the two main points being his activities in a very different society as a West Virginia young man which he has long since renounced, and his choice of words in a speech about 'white ******' which, while controversial, clearly had no criticism of African-Americans and was not at all any proof of his being 'racist'.

No, the right is the home to the racists today to a far greater extent than the left, over a 95:5 ratio I'd easily estimate.

It's not that the republicans have slavery in their platform, but they tolerate the milder racists a lot more, they are almost always trying to less on race issues.

Then comes his ideological parroting about how the divide involves people who 'realize' their money is going to social programs - a gross oversimplification which denies everything from the many other issues, such as the corrupt right-wing governing that takes money for things other than social programs and ruins the democracy's power to have programs the public wants by bankrupting the government, to the fact that many of the social programs have great returns for society.

Ask some of the wealthiest men in the country, such as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, how they feel about the social issues. They're not all Waltons, thank goodness.

Those social programs are nothing less than the very essence of democracy's commitment for government to promote the 'general welfare', to balance power, to create broad opportunities for Americans when they otherwise would effectively have few opportunities in a society with great concentration of wealth. It's ironic how he posts a very wrong stereotype after complaining about stereotypes in the same post.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Craig234


The right cannot make its attack it wants to badly that 'the democrats are bad too!' Most often, they cite Robert Byrd using inaccurrate arguments, with the two main points being his activities in a very different society as a West Virginia young man which he has long since renounced, and his choice of words in a speech about 'white ******' which, while controversial, clearly had no criticism of African-Americans and was not at all any proof of his being 'racist'.

LOLOLOL

You have taken being an apologist to a whole new level. It would be truly funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[oldman420]

I will do a ATOT poll and actually ask people are they conservative etc.
be back with a linky thing

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: oldman420
I will do a ATOT poll and actually ask people are they conservative etc.
be back with a linky thing

Its pointless, most of those on the left think that they are in the middle. Goodluck getting most liberals to admit that they are liberals. On the other hand, most conservatives are proud of being conservative and they will admit it. Your poll will probably show a middle to conservative leaning, seems like thats how most of them turn out here if I remember correctly.

Disclaimer - I am not saying that some of you will not admit that you are a liberal and I am not saying that being a liberal is a bad thing.

 

[oldman420]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2016963&enterthread=y