Why is it aways Muslims/Muslim sects behind recent acts of terrorism globally?

[DaWhim]

muslims invented terrorism.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
muslims invented terrorism.

accordinding to the wiki it were the jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#History

In the 1st century, Zealots conducted a fierce and unrelenting terror campaign against the Roman occupiers of the eastern Mediterranean. The Zealots enlisted sicarii to strike down rich Jewish collaborators and others who were friendly to the Romans.

or the irish

In 1867 the Irish Republican Brotherhood, a revolutionary nationalist group with support from Irish-Americans, carried out attacks in England. These were the first acts of "republican terrorism", which became a recurrent feature of British history, and these Fenians were the precursor of the Irish Republican Army. The ideology of the group was Irish nationalism.

depending how you define terrorism

 

[bleeb]

Moron, the US has done more stuff to other nations... you just don't hear about it.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: bleeb
Moron, the US has done more stuff to other nations... you just don't hear about it.

yeah, moron :|




...wait you talking to me?

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: bleeb
Moron, the US has done more stuff to other nations... you just don't hear about it.

yeah, moron :|




...wait you talking to me?

don't worry dug i still think your a cool guy

you're just stating observations

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

I did a unit on the Middle East a few years ago, and it was quite an eye opener, the Islamic attitude to women is nothing short of totally unnacceptable, and shar'iah law is barbaric and backwards by any standard today (look at afghanistan under the taliban)...how you reconcile this 'pure system' of islam with modern beliefs and practices is beyond me...

meh, for them, salvation comes when Satan and his armies have been destroyed, but the Koran doesn't say whether Allah needs a hand, hence the concept of jihad, and we all know where that has led to.

Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll: So Northern Ireland is laying down arms due to political pressure now, but there are cases of Christian religious abuse. They just don't get on the news.

Although I agree that Christianity stresses turning the other cheek, and without bad religious leaders trying to gain political power, like in the Crusades, Christianity is a nonviolent religion.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

I did a unit on the Middle East a few years ago, and it was quite an eye opener, the Islamic attitude to women is nothing short of totally unnacceptable, and shar'iah law is barbaric and backwards by any standard today (look at afghanistan under the taliban)...how you reconcile this 'pure system' of islam with modern beliefs and practices is beyond me...

meh, for them, salvation comes when Satan and his armies have been destroyed, but the Koran doesn't say whether Allah needs a hand, hence the concept of jihad, and we all know where that has led to.

Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll:

yeah, read my bolded bit again more closely maybe

and i can't see how your second point is even slightly related to the matter, thats 'ethnic cleansing'/'genocide', as i understand it...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
No different to the terrors of the Spanish Inquisition.

<enter men in red with funny hats>

no one expcts the spainish Inquisition

 

[Malak]

The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so. The muslims feel the same way about terrorists.

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

I did a unit on the Middle East a few years ago, and it was quite an eye opener, the Islamic attitude to women is nothing short of totally unnacceptable, and shar'iah law is barbaric and backwards by any standard today (look at afghanistan under the taliban)...how you reconcile this 'pure system' of islam with modern beliefs and practices is beyond me...

meh, for them, salvation comes when Satan and his armies have been destroyed, but the Koran doesn't say whether Allah needs a hand, hence the concept of jihad, and we all know where that has led to.

Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll:

yeah, read my bolded bit again more closely maybe

and i can't see how your second point is even slightly related to the matter, thats 'ethnic cleansing'/'genocide', as i understand it...

Most of the time, Muslims are lashing out because they are being opressed.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Malak
The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so.

and just because you say they aren't xians doesn't mean they aren't xians.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I think I can link some things together as why it's many Muslims, but I know it will offend many on here.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

I did a unit on the Middle East a few years ago, and it was quite an eye opener, the Islamic attitude to women is nothing short of totally unnacceptable, and shar'iah law is barbaric and backwards by any standard today (look at afghanistan under the taliban)...how you reconcile this 'pure system' of islam with modern beliefs and practices is beyond me...

meh, for them, salvation comes when Satan and his armies have been destroyed, but the Koran doesn't say whether Allah needs a hand, hence the concept of jihad, and we all know where that has led to.

Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll:

yeah, read my bolded bit again more closely maybe

and i can't see how your second point is even slightly related to the matter, thats 'ethnic cleansing'/'genocide', as i understand it...

Yeah, the Christian Serbian ethnic cleansing was much worse, just not reported. It was genocide. Not as bad now, but still going on, just not reported. People in America don't want to see Christians doing stupid stuff like this. It isn't the Christian belief system that makes it bad, but rather the tension that the people put on being different from each other in that country (a lot of bad blood between the two passed down the generations, they will even poison neighbors dogs if they are from the other "race/religion"). They neglect the inherent belief of sacrifice and nonviolence in the Bible and go with focusing on the differences.

Serbians (Christian) vs. Bosnian (Muslim). That is the only difference in culture. It is like Pakistanian, Indian, and Sri Lankan (please don't Flame me if you are Indian or Pakistani). The major difference is religion.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Malak
The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so.

and just because you say they aren't xians doesn't mean they aren't xians.

Yes, actually, it does.

 

[Proletariat]

Is this related to those attacks in India?

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: DaShen
Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll: So Northern Ireland is laying down arms due to political pressure now, but there are cases of Christian religious abuse. They just don't get on the news.

Although I agree that Christianity stresses turning the other cheek, and without bad religious leaders trying to gain political power, like in the Crusades, Christianity is a nonviolent religion.

I'm not sure on this point, but weren't at least some of the groups involved in the slovakian ethnic cleansing islamic?

That said, i don't think many Christians will deny the violent history that Christianity has had, however they will also point out that was, for the most part, an old version of Christianity that has been deemed to be wrong by most Christians.

(of course nutjobs still exist)

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Malak
The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so. The muslims feel the same way about terrorists.

You are misinformed buddy. The divide started with racial and political tension. Many of the supporters are Catholics. The fundamental group though is controlled by hate filled war-mongers, but they get their support and power from the supporters.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Malak
The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so.

and just because you say they aren't xians doesn't mean they aren't xians.

Yes, actually, it does.

Oh,... that is so logical Malak. :roll: I hope you are being facetious.

 

[Shyatic]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really think it's a comment on the religion, as much as it is coincidence that the poorest areas of the world are heavily Islamic at this time. If by chance the poles of the world were flipped - North America was predominantly Muslim and the Middle East mostly Christian - I think we'd be saying the same about Christianity.

<-- Owns and has actually read the Koran (in English).

FTW

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Malak
The IRA and people who like to bomb abortion clinics are not Christians. Just because someone says they are doesn't make them so.

and just because you say they aren't xians doesn't mean they aren't xians.

Yes, actually, it does.

No, actually, it doesn't.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: DaShen
Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll: So Northern Ireland is laying down arms due to political pressure now, but there are cases of Christian religious abuse. They just don't get on the news.

Although I agree that Christianity stresses turning the other cheek, and without bad religious leaders trying to gain political power, like in the Crusades, Christianity is a nonviolent religion.

I'm not sure on this point, but weren't at least some of the groups involved in the slovakian ethnic cleansing islamic?

That said, i don't think many Christians will deny the violent history that Christianity has had, however they will also point out that was, for the most part, an old version of Christianity that has been deemed to be wrong by most Christians.

(of course nutjobs still exist)

Actually, it was back and forth. This all began slowly from the Crusades and ended up till now. Christian and Muslims occupied the area. Christians came in and settled there and killed Muslim. Muslims, then did the same. Then the Christians, then the Muslims, until it became so ingrained that they were totally different, that it didn't occur to them that they are pretty much the same people, because of cultural exchange and inter-marriages. Hate passed down through generations until people don't know why they hate each other, other than the person is different (religion, race, ...), they just do. Pretty stupid, but happens.

Christianity's roots were not violent. Actually, quite the opposite. It occured when Constantine gained power and decided to unite his nation under Christianity (he assimilated many Sun-god worship and heathen worship into Christianity to help it better be assimilated). After that, it was only a matter of time till power hungry people decided to cheat, steal, and kill there way to power under the name of religion. Medici family comes to mind, but there were others. With the Bible only being translated to Latin and only scholars being able to "teach" it, leadership was obeyed blindly. It wasn't at its core a Christianity problem, but rather people trying to gain power through the religion, and therefore twisting Christianity to benfit themselves. The Great Schism actually slowly changed that, and the King James Bible, and the, I think, Geneve (I am not sure if this is the correct spelling) Bible (it was more popular at the time) further allowed people to really understand Christianity instead of just blindly following.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, mainstream islam is fundamentalist or literalist islam. the only kind of progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

It depends on which part of the Bible you read. The Old Testament contains pretty much all the revenge and what not while the New Testament contains the nicer get along with your fellow man stuff. Christians are supposed to live by the New Testament.

As for the progressive Islam in Western Europe....
Muslim Youths riot for the Sixth Straight Night in France

Violence has erupted for a sixth night in the troubled suburbs north-east of Paris with police firing rubber bullets and tear gas as they face down gangs of youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois, according to witnesses.

A store was set afire in the nearby suburb of Bondy, France-Info radio reported.

No trouble was immediately reported in Clichy-sous-Bois, where rioting began last Thursday following the accidental deaths of two teenagers. The latest violence broke out as Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy met in Paris with youths and officials from Clichy-sous-Bois.

An Associated Press Television news team reported confrontations between about 20 police and 40 youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois with police firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

France-Info said that about 100 fires burned in numerous suburbs of the Seine-Saint-Denis region, an area of soaring unemployment, delinquency and other urban ills.

A carpet store in the town of Bondy was set afire, and cars were burning in Bondy and Sevran, France-Info reported.

Tension had mounted after angry young men torched cars, garbage bins and even a primary school in several days of rioting that highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor satellites where disenchantment thrives.

Link

Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life.

Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.

There was also the murder of Theo Van Gogh in the Netherlands at the hand of some progressive European Muslims. Let's not forget the train bombings in England and Spain by progressive European Muslims.

 

[DaShen]

Christianity's roots were not violent. Actually, quite the opposite. It occured when Constantine gained power and decided to unite his nation under Christianity (he assimilated many Sun-god worship and heathen worship into Christianity to help it better be assimilated). After that, it was only a matter of time till power hungry people decided to cheat, steal, and kill there way to power under the name of religion. Medici family comes to mind, but there were others. With the Bible only being translated to Latin and only scholars being able to "teach" it, leadership was obeyed blindly. It wasn't at its core a Christianity problem, but rather people trying to gain power through the religion, and therefore twisting Christianity to benfit themselves. The Great Schism actually slowly changed that, and the King James Bible, and the, I think, Geneve (I am not sure if this is the correct spelling) Bible (it was more popular at the time) further allowed people to really understand Christianity instead of just blindly following.

 

[TheSlamma]

Cause Christian's send other people's kids to kill instead by use of the United States Military. If you don't see it then those suburbanite churches have done their job at blinding you.

Don't forget to fill the plates with money for that missionary work.