Why is it aways Muslims/Muslim sects behind recent acts of terrorism globally?

[Acanthus]

ever heard of the IRA?

edit: didnt read the thread, already mentoined.

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't really think it's a comment on the religion, as much as it is coincidence that the poorest areas of the world are heavily Islamic at this time. If by chance the poles of the world were flipped - North America was predominantly Muslim and the Middle East mostly Christian - I think we'd be saying the same about Christianity.

<-- Owns and has actually read the Koran (in English).

I personally don't think it's a poverty issue. Bin Laden, for example, is a rich man, or minimum was when he started this. There are plenty of poverty stricken areas in South America with Christians , poor Hindus etc. I agree violence, govt instability, etc seem to mirror economic issues but terrorism towards the US may not be a class war.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity. Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

 

[Torched]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

I did a unit on the Middle East a few years ago, and it was quite an eye opener, the Islamic attitude to women is nothing short of totally unnacceptable, and shar'iah law is barbaric and backwards by any standard today (look at afghanistan under the taliban)...how you reconcile this 'pure system' of islam with modern beliefs and practices is beyond me...

meh, for them, salvation comes when Satan and his armies have been destroyed, but the Koran doesn't say whether Allah needs a hand, hence the concept of jihad, and we all know where that has led to.

Ummmm....
How about Northern Ireland, with the Catholics and Protestants.
&
Serbia with the ethnic cleansing.

:roll:

yeah, read my bolded bit again more closely maybe

and i can't see how your second point is even slightly related to the matter, thats 'ethnic cleansing'/'genocide', as i understand it...

Most of the time, Muslims are lashing out because they are being opressed.

So go give them a hug.

Yeah opressed when the us helped them defeat the russians in afghanistan. And opressed by us giving then tons of money for thier oil. Opressed as in they nearly control the UN. Opresssed as in them given the right to practice religion in USA. Opressed as in the TSA screeners in airports strip searching 90 old ladies instead of them. You want to talk about opressed look into Christianity in china. Christianity in indonesia. Christianity in India. Christianity in :insert muslin nation here: Don't talp about opression. The founders of USA were opressed and they rose up in the face of opression to form their own country. Muslims have their own countrys already. Lets take a look at how they run them shall we. Iran, prewar Iraq, prewar afghanistan, Indonesia, etc. Looks to me like there is more opression comming from within their own countries then from the west and the USA whom they continue to attack.

So give them a hug. They were probably just beaten as children anyways right...Maybe their mommies didn't love them enough.

 

[imported_Goo]

Originally posted by: BriGy86

religion itself has caused more conflicts (and not always war and death) than anything else on earth

Word.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

Ummmm, have you ever read the whole Bible? It is called taking things in context of the message. Any theologian or philosopher will tell you that. Don't take things our of the context of the passage in any book and your logic will be taken with more than a grain of salt.

Rather than saying stuff that people say all the time without doing research, read a little, like I have about the subject and maybe you will come to teerms with it. :thumbsup: Don't just read the Bible (read the Koran, the BoM, the Bhagavagita, the Torah, Septuagint...), search everything and weigh what you believe. Try to understand all religions, but come to a conclusion instead of pointing things out clearly out of context and not knowing for sure.

I am not trying to be condescending here, try to take my words with a grain of salt, but take them in context as well.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Goo

Originally posted by: BriGy86

religion itself has caused more conflicts (and not always war and death) than anything else on earth

Word.

I double that word

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

Ummmm, have you ever read the whole Bible? It is called taking things in context of the message. Any theologian or philosopher will tell you that. Don't take things our of the context of the passage in any book and your logic will be taken with more than a grain of salt.

Rather than saying stuff that people say all the time without doing research, read a little, like I have about the subject and maybe you will come to teerms with it. :thumbsup: Don't just read the Bible (read the Koran, the BoM, the Bhagavagita, the Torah, Septuagint...), search everything and weigh what you believe. Try to understand all religions, but come to a conclusion instead of pointing things out clearly out of context and not knowing for sure.

I am not trying to be condescending here, try to take my words with a grain of salt, but take them in context as well.

as i said above (and i'm certain of this )

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity. Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN allow themselves to 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

edit: the above is pretty cynical of me. historically there have been 1000s of schools of islam, there was great diversity in the interpretation of islamic holy writings & sayings of mahammed, and there are definitely schools of islam that have encouraged questioning and critical readings and critical interpetations of islamic writings. these schools of islam are totally out of vogue now. the growth in islam occurring the world over is a growth in a very fundamentist style of islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct? My understanding is that in the more fundamentalist strains of islam, heavy importance is placed on expert scholarly interpetations of islamic holy writings or sayings of mohammed. i.e., people turn to scholars (most of whom have been dead for centuries) rather than seek to critically assess the writings themselves.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Goo

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Division and intolerance has caused more conflicts (and not always war and death) than anything else on earth

Word.

I double that word

FIXED. Don't add to the intolerance, guys. Accept people for who they are and treat them with respect. Only then can you gain trust and show them what you believe. If you are atheist and you think everyone should be atheist and will make the world a better place. Dividing the lines isn't going to solve anything, now will it.

**EDIT**
But in actuallity, Famine and Plague has probably killed more people than anything else. But that is just conjecture.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

i'm going on the handouts/notes from my middle east economies class last year

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

because you are actually reading/hearing the Holy Quran as it was given to Prophet Mohammed. If it kept changing, there wouldn't be a point to reading the Quran

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

because you are actually reading/hearing the Holy Quran as it was given to Prophet Mohammed. If it kept changing, there wouldn't be a point to reading the Quran

So arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time? color me skeptical.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

because you are actually reading/hearing the Holy Quran as it was given to Prophet Mohammed. If it kept changing, there wouldn't be a point to reading the Quran

So arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time? color me skeptical.

you're welcome to be, but that's the situation as i understand it to be, it has remained essentially unchanged since then

 

[ITPaladin]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I'd just like to use the new word Nutjobbery again, as it made me laugh the first time.

Bob Lablaw

 

[ITPaladin]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
its things like these that make me hate how religion factions off people into diff groups

i believe in a higher being and how you should treate others how you want to be treated, but i wouldn't say im part of any one religion

think about it

religion itself has caused more conflicts (and not always war and death) than anything else on earth

how can this be a good thing if it causes so much chaos and destruction

It is human nature to put the blame on the wrong thing / person. Why blame the the religion and not the people?

People fracture. Religions don't make them do so.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: dug777
I mean we haven't seen Christian sects blowing the hell out of Jakarta, or Jews bombing nightclubs, or Buddhists hijacking multiple commercial airliners to attack civilian targets...sure you might find the odd example but nothing close to the scale of Muslim terrorism...

Look back in history farther. IRA blew the hell out of cafes and other places.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

Ummmm, have you ever read the whole Bible? It is called taking things in context of the message.

Yes, and YOUR "taking in context" may well be the next person's dilution and corruption of Dog's message.

Originally posted by: DaShen
Any theologian or philosopher will tell you that. Don't take things our of the context of the passage in any book and your logic will be taken with more than a grain of salt.

And who is to say what is "out of context"? You? Lol.

My point is that intepretation can always be argued with a piece of literary fiction such as the koran or xian bible.

And the "correct" (i.e., "in context") interpretation is ALWAYS going to be the interpretation of the guy with the guns, money, and power.

Originally posted by: DaShen
Rather than saying stuff that people say all the time without doing research, read a little, like I have about the subject and maybe you will come to teerms with it. :thumbsup: Don't just read the Bible (read the Koran, the BoM, the Bhagavagita, the Torah, Septuagint...), search everything and weigh what you believe. Try to understand all religions, but come to a conclusion instead of pointing things out clearly out of context and not knowing for sure.

Ah yes, take a lil bit from here, a lil bit from there. Lol.

Originally posted by: DaShen
I am not trying to be condescending here, try to take my words with a grain of salt, but take them in context as well.

I'm not too interested in that kind of wishy-washy, feeble-brained religious eclecticism.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

because you are actually reading/hearing the Holy Quran as it was given to Prophet Mohammed. If it kept changing, there wouldn't be a point to reading the Quran

So arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time? color me skeptical.

you're welcome to be, but that's the situation as i understand it to be, it has remained essentially unchanged since then

That statement appears to be incorrect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
It's their fundamental interpretation of the Qu'ran and view of the world telling them to strike.

I think the Bible encourages you to turn the other cheek, not get an eye for an eye.

other parts of the xian bible encourage you to seek revenge, pillage, rape, kill, not to mention murder babies. but contemporary christians cherry pick the xian bible, i.e., take the bits that appeal to them and ignore the rest (or pretend it doesn't exist). within islam, their is not yet a strong liberal or progressive vision of islam. rather, fundamentalist or literalist islam is the mainstream islam. (compare to xianity, where fundamentalist or literalist xianity is practiced by those we marginalise as 'nut jobs'). the only vaguely progressive islam you get at the moment is occuring in places like the usa, western europe.

the problem is that they CANNOT 'cherry pick' the Koran, since it is literally the word of allah, as spoken by allah, and as such is perfect in it's entirity.

Yeah, that's the fundamentalism or literalism in action. They just need to get to the point where they CAN 'cherry pick' the Koran (using whatever bogus justification that allows them to sleep at night.) Then you will see the birth of a progressive or 'liberal' islam.

Originally posted by: dug777
Similarly this is why arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time, it's allahs language, and thus is perfect and cannot be improved upon. A modern day arabic speaker could converse easily with, and understand, mohammed for example.

Is that correct?

because you are actually reading/hearing the Holy Quran as it was given to Prophet Mohammed. If it kept changing, there wouldn't be a point to reading the Quran

So arabic has remained unchanged since mohammed's time? color me skeptical.

you're welcome to be, but that's the situation as i understand it to be, it has remained essentially unchanged since then

That statement appears to be incorrect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic

how so?

dialects have changed, but 'Arabs consider literary Arabic as the standard language and tend to view everything else as mere dialects.', 'In the case of Arabic, educated Arabs of whatever nationality can be assumed to speak both their local dialect and their school-taught literary Arabic (to an equal or lesser degree)' ' Literary Arabic, al-lugatu-l-?arabiyatu-l-fus?h?a (Literally: the most eloquent Arabic language?????? ??????? ??????) refers both to the language of present-day media across North Africa and the Middle East and to the more archaic language of the Qur'an. (The expression media here includes most television and radio, and all written matter, including all books, newspapers, magazines, documents of every kind, and reading primers for small children.)'

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: DaShen
Any theologian or philosopher will tell you that. Don't take things our of the context of the passage in any book and your logic will be taken with more than a grain of salt.

And who is to say what is "out of context"? You? Lol.

My point is that intepretation can always be argued with a piece of literary fiction such as the koran or xian bible.

And the "correct" (i.e., "in context") interpretation is ALWAYS going to be the interpretation of the guy with the guns, money, and power.

Originally posted by: DaShen
Rather than saying stuff that people say all the time without doing research, read a little, like I have about the subject and maybe you will come to teerms with it. :thumbsup: Don't just read the Bible (read the Koran, the BoM, the Bhagavagita, the Torah, Septuagint...), search everything and weigh what you believe. Try to understand all religions, but come to a conclusion instead of pointing things out clearly out of context and not knowing for sure.

Ah yes, take a lil bit from here, a lil bit from there. Lol.

Originally posted by: DaShen
I am not trying to be condescending here, try to take my words with a grain of salt, but take them in context as well.

I'm not too interested in that kind of wishy-washy, feeble-brained religious eclecticism.

ummmm. okay?

I will have to agree to the most part with the statement in bold if you added to the general ignorant masses to that.

Also to your second thing, I am not saying to borrow from different religions, but rather look at everything and make a choice at which thing you think is right. In other words, be informed before you make outlandish statements about other peoples beliefs. It only causes division.

The last part, .... whatever.

 

[ahurtt]

Because rather than be introspective and examine their own mentalities and consequences of their own actions, they choose to blame the rest of the world for their problems. They have fallen into the "I'm a victim" mentality and so they are lashing out rather than trying to focus on how they can get along with the rest of the world. They aren't interested in getting along. They are interested in revenge.

 

[loic2003]

Interesting.... interesting....

I see that the main differences these days are that christians (in general) regard their religion as important, but they try to live their lives with the religion as part of it, whereas muslims live by their faith.

Christians are far more likely to let something go in order to keep everyone happy, whereas the muslims with be wholly unhappy until everything is perfectly set up for their religious lifestlyes, and even then their happyness is not guaranteed (eg sunni, Shi'ite)

"But Loic, what do you mean? could you give me an example?"

Why sure, little jonny. Only today have I heard in the news that some stores in the UK will no longer sell christmas cards with any kind of religious(christian) symbolism on them. Instead, they will sell only 'seasonal' cards with robins, and maybe snowmen (ooh how sexist of me... snowpeople) on the cover. Similarly, towns are dropping the christmas lights and calling them 'festive' lights.
They are removing the 'christ' from Christmas.

Would it be acceptable to call Ramadam 'Fasting season'? Of course not. That's racist!

The muslims are also very much into the pride of their family, and they see it as shameful to integrate with 'christians'/westerners. I watched a program made by a muslim broadcast in the UK "young, muslim and angry" I believe it was called. It addressed why so meny muslims go into extremism. It annoyed me, as the reasons provided were very poor. They felt that they were treated like outcasts all the time. The presenter then interviewed one of the generation who first migrated to the UK from cashmere, he had been resident in the UK for 35 years. This guy came on, and to my shock, didn't speak a single word of english! WTF!! You go to someone else's country, have two generations, and yet you refuse to speak the language! Then he's giving a sob story about how the westerners are meanies to them.

An interesting example of a people who have integrated well are the jews. Look how well they do in society. They still practice their religions which are quite different to christianity, but in general they work very hard, and are hugely successful. Why can't the muslims follow in the same footsteps?

Of course, I'm only speaking of a bad minority here, and most muslims are great people who are only too happy to work hard towards improving our shared economy for a brighter future. Yay! Rainbows, flowers and hugs!

 

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Woah. From an Australian...

 

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OP: Read up on the differences between the Islamic peoples, and the Militant Islam sects. For the militant Islam, it is part of their holy book for all non-believers, and their supporters, to die. No peace talks, no nothing. They must die. It's unfortunate that the confusion between the two people exists.