Indeed. You can get anything you want if you have enough money. I was mostly upset because regular cheap cars like the Camry and Accord do not offer such options. A quick google search says the top 5 cars in the US for June were:
Toyota Camry
Honda Civic
Honda Accord
Toyota Corolla
Chevy Malibu
For the above options, the Camry does not come with a manual. The Civic only has balls if you get the Si model which burns as much gas as a V6 but has less power and requires premium fuel and has super expensive insurance because a lot of douches drive them. The Accord only has the V6/manual if you get the couple. The Corolla only has balls if you get the XRS model, which burns more gas than a Camry even though it has less power, and fewer gears, and the insurance is more, and it's smaller. Chevy I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot poll since my parents owned GM vehicles and they would chew through alternators and starters as often as most cars go through oil.
I'm just picky. Things like the Speed 3 and Civic Si do everything I want, but certain aspects of the price seem unreasonable. For example, insurance on a Civic Si is waaaay more than that on a Civic EX. Also, why does the Si burn as much gas as a 270HP V6 in the Accord even though it has 70HP less? Why does it take premium gas? That means the Si actually costs more to drive even though it has less power and is slower. How did Honda fuck this up so bad. I just don't understand.
I know I bend forks all the time
a) camry actually does come with a manual, but it's very rare
b)the Si turns a very high gear on the highway, thus the poor gas mileage. Most honda manuals seem to do this for some reason. It's most likely done because they don't make torque until quite high in the power band, but still they could turn lower and be just as good. The si for example doesn't make peak torque until like 6k, and hp is basically at the rev limit. The car wasn't designed for fuel economy, and while it would be slower in a quarter mile it would devastate an accord on a track because it handles quite well.
The perfect car is the one that gives you cheezy grin like a kindergartner getting school pictures 3 years later when you walk to the parking lot.
Not in Canada they don'ta) camry actually does come with a manual, but it's very rare
See, that's exactly my point. That's horrible for a car of that size with that little power. Environment Canada rates the Civic Si Sedan at 34.7 miles per US gallon (41.4 per imperial gallon). That same government agency rates the 271HP Honda Accord V6 at 35.3 miles per US gallon (42.0 per imperial gallon). The 268HP Toyota Camry V6 gets 33.6 miles per US gallon, the 270HP Nissan Altima gets slightly less than the Camry.fwiw i easily get ~34mpg on the highway in my Si sedan. and I'm not babying it either.
The perfect car is the one that gives you cheezy grin like a kindergartner getting school pictures 3 years later when you walk to the parking lot.
EDIT: Add the Saab 9-3 to your list. 2009 models can either be had a with a V6T with 285HP or a 2.0T with 210HP.
can't get the perfect car with that budget
You want some real answers?
Regular drivers are stupid as fuck. They want good gas mileage, but they don't want great gas mileage. They'll buy a 4 cylinder with no balls, but it damn well better not have one of those manual transmissions. That would be too efficient. I don't want to look gay in front of my friends and look like I care about the environment or my gas budget. Also, I hate my family and want them to die; that's why I prefer my cars to have severely crippled 0-60 times so we get rear ended when I underestimate how long it takes to get up to speed when the car has 4 passengers.
consumer reports: manual transmissions consistently get 10% better gas mileage while accelerating 10% faster.
Worst difference of 0-60 times on that list is the Honda Civic EX. 0-60 in 8.6s with a manual vs 10.1 with an automatic. The automatic is a whopping 17% slower in that particular car.
People who want sporty cars are stupid as fuck. Car companies keep making shitty cars with 2 doors because stupid people keep buying them. When will these cars finally die? If I'm driving and my girlfriend is riding shotgun, she needs to get out of the car and potentially stand in the snow or the rain just so her bimbo friend can get in the back seat? Whoever designed the coupe should be killed with a dull knife.
The biggest conflict I see all the time are 3 things: engine, transmission, number of doors. You want a V6 sedan? Those only come with automatic transmissions. You want a manual? You can only get the manual with either the V6 coupe or the I4 sedan. wtf? Both of those suck dick. Just give me a car that doesn't suck ass. I want 6 cylinders, 4 doors, a manual transmission. That's it. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT!!?!?
Toyota: All V6 only come with automatics
Honda: Only the Civic Si almost fits what I want. Power, manual, 4 doors.
Subaru: Impreza WRX :thumbsup:
others..... etc
Audi isn't really known for reliability :'(So you want an Audi. Right?
I hear ya. I remember bitching about my Corolla automatically unlocking the doors in unsafe areas, beeping constantly until the passenger wears a seatbelt, making a beeping noise if I open the door while it's in neutral.I HATE everything automated in my vehicle except the transmission, and even then I like it to have manual overrides. I hate the doors auto-locking. I hate the annoying bing that keeps ringing when I dont have my seatbelt on. I hate so many things its not even funny. And the sad part is that there will be more and more restrictive controls on motor vehicles as time goes on. And where the government doesnt dictate flat out requirements, the car companies will choose to do annoying things because the idiot asshole soccer moms need to have so many protections and "features", while the rest of us with working brains need to suffer for their stupidity.
As for recommendations with the Mazdaspeed 3. Just FYI I had an 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 for about a month in 2010.
It was a terrible snow storm in the northeast and the car had to be towed several times because it couldn't get any traction. It left a bad taste in my mouth after all that so I sold it. I found out it was the "Summer" tires that came with the car stock that's causing all that problems.
Though I like the car, I don't know about owning it in when you're living in the northeast with all the snow storms
You had the perfect car for you needs, not sure about your tires were perfect though.
I mean, come on, you really think the 225/40-18 aggressive summer performance tires is ok in snow? Get a set of spare wheels and snow tires!
Let's not get off topic now and go to personal attacks.
So pretty much my choices are the Mazdaspeed3 (which i own before) or the WRX hatchback.
What I'm looking for in a car is Fun & Practical:
Fun
- Manual Transmission
- Quick & Fun to drive
- Turbocharged is a plus (Due to how easy it is to get more power) but not a deal breaker.
Practical
- Have a trunk that is big enough to haul 2 full size luggage (I like to go on vacations)
I like owning a new car because:
- I don't have to worry about the previous owner's hidden problems.
- New car warranty
- Nothing to worry about for the next several years in term of major maintenance/break down.
So far I've found several cars and it's tough to narrow it down....Feel free to add a vehicle to the list & reasons why.
~$23k
2011 Civic Si Coupe
2011 Chevy Cruze Turbo
2011 Nissan Juke Turbo
2011 Accord LX-S Coupe
2011 Mazdaspeed 3 Turbo
2011 Ford Mustang V6
2011 Hyundai Genesis 2.0 Turbo
2011 Volkswagon GTI
2011 Chevy Camaro V6
Damn I can't wait....
Bought this yesterday 10/25
2011 Civic Si. Taffeta White
The car is awesome. Not fast at all as a matter of fact, it feel slower than my Base RSX but the handling sure make up for it. Got the exact color that I wanted too.
the biggest conflict i see all the time are 3 things: Engine, transmission, number of doors. You want a v6 sedan? Those only come with automatic transmissions. You want a manual? You can only get the manual with either the v6 coupe or the i4 sedan. Wtf? Both of those suck dick. Just give me a car that doesn't suck ass. I want 6 cylinders, 4 doors, a manual transmission. That's it. Why is this so difficult!!?!?
Toyota: All v6 only come with automatics
honda: Only the civic si almost fits what i want. Power, manual, 4 doors.
Subaru: Impreza wrx :thumbsup:
Others..... Etc