Why is it such a crime to believe in an intelligent creator?

[Arkitech]

I know belief in God is majorly unpopular on this forum but even still I can't help but to ask the question why is it so hard to believe that it's possible that God could have created life?

No one ever questions that someone invented computers, the internet, the wheel, power tools, automobiles, etc.. All of those things pale in comparison to the complexity of even the most basic cellular life form. Scientists have known for years that the Earth and the universe are governed by the laws of physics. That suggests planning and deliberate intention. The law of gravity, the water cycle, procreation and the DNA strand are all examples of regulated structure. It's hard to believe that examples such as these could have *all* happened by pure circumstance. If that were the case we would be witnessing such miracles as these on a constant basis, we would see new and radical forms of life evolving around us at an unprecedented rate.

 

[Arkitech]

grabs a beer

pulls up a lawn chair

gets a bowl of popcorn

you're a troll



ok, now that's out of the way. Let's make room for intelligent discussion.

 

[JSt0rm]

because being stupid should be a crime.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Did your Creator just happen by pure circumstance?

Why is that any easier to accept than all that you reject?

 

[El Guaraguao]

/loading Cerpin Taxt

 

[Fear No Evil]

Don't worry all these atheists will be be praying to god on their deathbed.

 

[SparkyJJO]

ok, now that's out of the way. Let's make room for intelligent discussion.

Like you're gonna get that out of ATOT? Surely you jest.

 

[Powermoloch]

/cooks burger

 

[JSt0rm]

Don't worry all these atheists will be be praying to god on their deathbed.

Because fear of your god? Thats why you pray huh? Fear. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I know belief in God is majorly unpopular on this forum but even still I can't help but to ask the question why is it so hard to believe that it's possible that God could have created life?

Insofar as creationism does not necessarily involve logical contradiction, it is therefore possible. It just doesn't seem to be borne out by reality.

No one ever questions that someone invented computers, the internet, the wheel, power tools, automobiles, etc..

We have clear evidence of the existence of those inventors and an understanding of their methods.

All of those things pale in comparison to the complexity of even the most basic cellular life form.

If you cannot produce a method by which these things were allegedly intelligently designed, the proposition is scientifically meaningless. Science doesn't care who did something. It wants to know how. "Magic" is not a suitable answer.

Scientists have known for years that the Earth and the universe are governed by the laws of physics. That suggests planning and deliberate intention.

I disagree. The persistent regularities of the universe actually suggest a stark absence of intermeddling magic beings that might disrupt the patterns in our observations.

The law of gravity, the water cycle, procreation and the DNA strand are all examples of regulated structure.

Regulated by what? Please do not confuse our abstracted patterns for actual limitations on the behaviors of reality.

It's hard to believe that examples such as these could have *all* happened by pure circumstance.

I think it is reasonable to believe that these things were inevitable, in fact. On an infinite timeline, every non-zero probability approaches 1.

If that were the case we would be witnessing such miracles as these on a constant basis, we would see new and radical forms of life evolving around us at an unprecedented rate.

This is a misunderstanding of evolutionary mechanics.

 

[lxskllr]

It isn't a crime. It only becomes a crime when you try to pass your beliefs on others through legislation, or corrupt the beliefs of foreign cultures under the guise of "help". Keep the shit to yourself, and I don't care what you believe in.

 

[Arkitech]

Did your Creator just happen by pure circumstance?

Why is that any easier to accept than all that you reject?

Honestly that's a fair question. It all boils down to something had to exist in the very beginning (at least the beginning as we understand it). Was it a variety of different forms of matter and elements that combined to create life or always existing deity who created life? The chicken or the egg.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Because fear of your god? Thats why you pray huh? Fear. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I don't really pray, but I am also not so simple minded to think that there may not be something greater than myself.

 

[Arkitech]

/cooks burger

aww dude, it's supposed to be beer and popcorn. Now that you've introduced burgers into the equation the universe will implode in approximately 1.6 years. I hope you're happy.

 

[JDawg1536]

I don't really pray, but I am also not so simple minded to think that there may not be something greater than myself.

So you're agnostic?

 

[Arkitech]

It isn't a crime. It only becomes a crime when you try to pass your beliefs on others through legislation, or corrupt the beliefs of foreign cultures under the guise of "help". Keep the shit to yourself, and I don't care what you believe in.

Correct.

 

[Arkitech]

Insofar as creationism does not necessarily involve logical contradiction, it is therefore possible. It just doesn't seem to be borne out by reality.


We have clear evidence of the existence of those inventors and an understanding of their methods.


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Lack of evidence of the existence of creator does not mean that the creator does not exist. The inventor of the wheel is unknown, yet we clearly must accept that the wheel did not come into existence by itself.

 

[Wingznut]

It's hard to believe that examples such as these could have *all* happened by pure circumstance. If that were the case we would be witnessing such miracles as these on a constant basis, we would see new and radical forms of life evolving around us at an unprecedented rate.

Perhaps they do happen on a consistent basis, at unprecedented rates... It's just that within the span of infinite time, and expansive distance, the "consistency" and those "rates" are exponentially greater than humans existence. Thus, you would never witness those miracles.

 

[Arkitech]

If you cannot produce a method by which these things were allegedly intelligently designed, the proposition is scientifically meaningless. Science doesn't care who did something. It wants to know how. "Magic" is not a suitable answer.

What is the method for producing wind without mechanical or other artificial means? Is wind magical?

 

[zinfamous]

I know belief in God is majorly unpopular on this forum but even still I can't help but to ask the question why is it so hard to believe that it's possible that God could have created life?

No one ever questions that someone invented computers, the internet, the wheel, power tools, automobiles, etc.. All of those things pale in comparison to the complexity of even the most basic cellular life form. Scientists have known for years that the Earth and the universe are governed by the laws of physics. That suggests planning and deliberate intention. The law of gravity, the water cycle, procreation and the DNA strand are all examples of regulated structure. It's hard to believe that examples such as these could have *all* happened by pure circumstance. If that were the case we would be witnessing such miracles as these on a constant basis, we would see new and radical forms of life evolving around us at an unprecedented rate.

I do hope you realize how stupid your comparison is here, no?

all hope of intelligent discussion...dies with your post.

 

[Angry Irishman]

The trolling is strong in this thread...all self righteous join now and convince each other who is wrong/right.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Incest is wrong, unless its from Adam and Eve.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

The bible does make perfect sense. I mean Noah built an Ark. He was able to gather 2 of every animal, they came over and said cool boat dude lets go for a cruise. None of them tried to eat each other even though you had predators and prey. They were also able to survive outside their natural habitat.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

/loading Cerpin Taxt

Long before I ever found ATOT, while I had a menial job as a desk jockey with a lot of free time and unfettered internet access, I spent an inordinate amount of time on religious discussion forums (particularly one operated by Christians as an apologetics forum). The funny thing is that when I first discovered this interest of mine, I was a run-of-the-mill, casual Christian, but eventually I became an atheist as a consequence of my experiences there.

The fact is that I've seen just about every argument before, and I know what the rebuttals are. When these threads come along, I dare say I come to the table with a formidable arsenal.

 

[busydude]

What is the method for producing wind without mechanical or other artificial means? Is wind magical?

Seriously?