Why is it such a crime to believe in an intelligent creator?

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Ns1

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That might be true for some, but not myself. I believe what I can backup with science, evidence, facts, and rational/logical thought processes based in reality.

My largest issue with belief in God is that it tends to create real world issues. The middle east, gay marriage, the wars, and hundreds of thousands of other things in this world are directly related to and/or caused by religion and religious beliefs. I see religion as a detriment to humanity on the whole. Due to the Dark Ages humanity actually lost knowledge and if it hadn't have happened we would have had ~1,000 years more to develop knowledge and science.

More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other singular reason.
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bfdd

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That might be true for some, but not myself. I believe what I can backup with science, evidence, facts, and rational/logical thought processes based in reality.

My largest issue with belief in God is that it tends to create real world issues. The middle east, gay marriage, the wars, and hundreds of thousands of other things in this world are directly related to and/or caused by religion and religious beliefs. I see religion as a detriment to humanity on the whole. Due to the Dark Ages humanity actually lost knowledge and if it hadn't have happened we would have had ~1,000 years more to develop knowledge and science.

More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other singular reason.

Just to make a quick correction, it's not "reality" in which you base your facts, it's our shared perceived reality. Who really can ponder what the human brain lacks to comprehend? Not that I don't agree with you, I just wanted to clear that up.
 

Jaepheth

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Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

* Sister Miriam Godwinson, "But for the Grace of God"
 
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Just to make a quick correction, it's not "reality" in which you base your facts, it's our shared perceived reality. Who really can ponder what the human brain lacks to comprehend? Not that I don't agree with you, I just wanted to clear that up.

Valid point. Thanks!
 

Jeff7

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Oh and sunlight does not just contain the wavelengths which are visible to our human eye. We see only a small part of the spectrum.. we are mostly blind in that sense.

So much for intelligent design.
And of course it produces wavelengths which can actually be deadly.
Well, sort of. Get enough ultraviolet, and you produce Vitamin D. Get too much ultraviolet, and you get cancer.
Or drink water, but don't get it down the wrong tube, the opening of which is conveniently located in the same tube that accepts liquid, or else you can die. (Oh, but water's also present in the atmosphere in rather exceptional quantities, at least in a lot of the world. But you can't use that water. Hah!)
Or give birth. Fun part: The baby's comparatively huge head can just barely fit through, and the entire process is quite hazardous to both mother and child, or at least it was throughout most of our species' existence. (It's no thanks to nature, and no thanks to any intelligent designer, but thanks to our own scientific research that we've turned the birthing process from a very risky thing into something where death as a part of it is quite rare.)

If that's intelligent design, either just incredibly sloppy work, or else it's done with a very sadistic sense of humor. If a human engineer produced work like that, particularly things that result in death, he could easily find himself facing criminal charges.
"Here's a new blender. It does have a few bugs though. Sometimes it will fling blades at you, though these are typically going to hit you in the torso, and they won't penetrate too far in. Just don't ever run it with the blades at eye level. Have fun!"
In software design, you can sometimes get away with releasing something with "known bugs," because they generally aren't going to kill anyone.

Alternative: There is an intelligent designer out there, but he's a college student, and we're just an accidental formation within a freshman design project in Self-Expansive Four-Dimensional Bubbles 101. Then this universe will just end up getting stashed in a binder and used as a portfolio for when the designer is out job-hunting for the first time.



Funny thing is people are willing to have faith in all sorts of other things but as soon as it comes to God it's the end of the world. We will never be able to explain every aspect of this world, just move on. I hate how some people's lives are devoted to trying to disprove God. Atheists are like a big cult and they want everyone to join them. Soon they'll even start going door to door.
What examples might you have?
A lot of things I see ascribed to "faith" are not quite the same kind of faith that I see in religion. One thing I've heard is love as an example of faith. I don't see it as that. You can easily find evidence of the presence or absence of love from another person, and indeed, we respond strongly to evidence of its presence.

I consider blind faith to be more of a failing of humanity than a strength. Blind faith is the ability to believe something when there's absolutely no good reason to do so.
However, I can still have faith in something. I have faith in scientists and their stated observations about how Earth orbits the Sun, and that the Sun and our orbit around it will continue to be reasonably stable for quite a long time. It's not blind faith though, because there's evidence to support it, and if I would choose to, I could investigate the matter for myself. (At which point it stops being faith, but instead becomes knowledge.)
In this sense, it could also, perhaps more accurately, be called "trust" and not "faith."



Most atheists are willing to accept the possibility that there might be a God even if they don't believe that there is enough evidence to believe in the supernatural with any certainty. Are you willing to believe that there isn't a God even though you see some evidence of his existence in your life? If you approach the debate from a standpoint of "this is what I believe, I refuse to consider counter-arguments, you are wrong if you disagree with me," then the discussion has nowhere to go and is meaningless.

Can you picture a universe without God?
It'd be darn difficult to provide sufficient evidence. God is presented as an infinitely powerful, infinitely loving, infinitely knowing entity.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Infinitely extraordinary claims require infinitely extraordinary evidence.
 
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Aikouka

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Funny thing is people are willing to have faith in all sorts of other things but as soon as it comes to God it's the end of the world.

I think I see what your problem is here, and it's the fact that faith can be used within similar but distinct contexts.

Here are the first two definitions provided by dictionary.com:
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
Now, it's good to note that the third definition does directly mention God, but isn't necessary for this discussion.

Here's an example of "having faith." If I give a friend $2 and ask him to get me a soda, then I could say that I have faith in my friend that he will come back with a soda. If someone asked me why, I could provide some reasons on why I believe he's trustworthy, etc. This is definition #1, and I believe that's what you're referring to when you say that people are "willing to have faith in all sorts of other things." Remember, this faith is based off of some sort of empirical evidence.

When it comes to belief in God, I've typically used the term "blind faith" as it more fits definition #2. I recall back when I was forced to go to church, that they had these faith building exercises. They would have you stand in front of someone and fall back. The instructor said that having faith in God was like having faith that the person behind you would catch you. Unfortunately, the example is rather poor, because there's too much empirical evidence that can be used to ascertain whether or not the person will catch you.

A better "faith building scenario" is more like wearing ear plugs and walking into a random pitch dark building, going into a random room and simply falling backwards. Having faith in God is the equivalent of believing that someone will be there and catch you yet you have no knowledge of anyone actually being there when you fall backwards.

Frankly, the only thing you're going to end up with is a sore butt/back from falling onto the ground a whole lot.
 
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