why is it that black people can do things only for black people.....

[StageLeft]

Reading through this thread it seems too many white people are totally ok with racial discrimination - that's all it is. You can send off arguments all day long about stats and opportunities for white people and little ones for black people and all that garbage but in the end we come to the true conclusion that there are now laws in place that use racial discrimination to try to undo some of the wrongs that it has caused in the past. It makes no sense, is illogical, and should be done away with. I work with a very liberal black lady and she has no problem calling affirmative action racism because that's what it is.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey Skoorb, do they have AA in Cananda?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey Skoorb, do they have AA in Cananda?

Why? You think I drink too much?

They do but I'm not sure how pervasive it is. I know that it is a consideration when applying for positions with the police and I'm pretty sure it has roles elsewhere but I can't think of any off hand.

 

[911paramedic]

As long as these things exist racism will continue.

The shows that get on TV like "Miss Black USA" or "Latino Music Awards" or whatever should not be allowed, period. It is blatent racism, even though it is for minorities, it is still racism. I would live to see the public outcry if there was a "Miss White USA" and "White Music Awards". If it is wrong for one race/creed/color to say, nobody should be able to say it, period.

I think we should all be treated the same, no matter who you are, what you believe in, or what sex you are.

 

[Nitemare]

Hmm maybe a race that was sytematically shackled, beaten, and sold for three hundred years has a right to be really pissed off? Especially when after the civil rights movement where hundreds died to fight for thier rights as US citizens THEN still are getting told they will not be served a breakfast at Denny's after white america tells them how mice and equal everything is? This would'nt have any bearing on your being a little leary of white america right?

There are going to be Aholes in any race. I myself am mostly white and even have family members that still degrade others of different races. Members of certain races to carry similar traits and alot of assumptions can be made. Until we end Black Pride and White Pride, we will have this separation. I'm all for Black's trying to assist another Black who is in need. That is their perogative. But, when I can't hire someone at my company because their skin is not the right color and I have to hire an inferior candidate instead..that infringes on my rights.

The waitress at Denny's that said that should be shot as should all the other morons that perpetrate this racism (white on black and black on white) Some of the worst criticisms I have seen have been black on black though..the haves and the have nots..
I've got friends of various colors, financial, and educational backgrounds. There is a lot of envy going on between the have nots and the haves...sellouts, uncle Toms, even going all the way to OJ...(I believe Chris Rock said that he hasn't been black since he was in high school), Bryant Gumble and Colin Powell get tossed on the hate list as well.

I simply view it as petty, childish, and idiotic.
Why not say you are an American instead of I'm white, black, red, yellow, or green?

This one black kid bothers my wife at work alot by making lewd comments and generally making her uncomfortable. It took a near sexual not want to confront the guy because i don't want to get shot or my wife getting injured by a drive by or something.

Lol...got to watch out for them gang banging black kids..Trouble if you ask me.
Would you have thought the same thing if it was some white kid?:|

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

This one black kid bothers my wife at work alot by making lewd comments and generally making her uncomfortable.

Lol...got to watch out for them gang banging black kids..Trouble if you ask me.
Would you have thought the same thing if it was some white kid?:|

If some m0therfucker (male, female, black, white, whatever) was bothering my wife at work, I'd beat his/her/its a$$.

How's that for equal opportunity?

P.S. If you are so whacked out that you think that a person's RACE makes it OK for them to sexually harass someone else...you are an absolute idiot.

 

[novon]

I have no problem with stuff like the scolorships, it's a means to an end, and if the end is to level the playing field, or to get some disadvantaged people out of the ghetto and into college, then it's fine.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: Nitemare

This one black kid bothers my wife at work alot by making lewd comments and generally making her uncomfortable.

Lol...got to watch out for them gang banging black kids..Trouble if you ask me.
Would you have thought the same thing if it was some white kid?:|

If some m0therfucker (male, female, black, white, whatever) was bothering my wife at work, I'd beat his/her/its a$$.

How's that for equal opportunity?

P.S. If you are so whacked out that you think that a person's RACE makes it OK for them to sexually harass someone else...you are an absolute idiot.

Fine beat their ass black and blue..I'd do the same as well..

Let me spell it out for you and others that are somewhat daft..
He made the assumption since it was a black kid that he did drive-bys and shot people..

Careful there gooseman, before I make the assumption that you are a hostile psychotic who posts before he thinks...

 

[Pliablemoose]

I feel that seperatist movements of all types, race, religion, sex demean us all as a society, & I'd love to see EEO just go away because I percieve it as a method to continue a seperatist mindset.

I'm a federal employee & 85% of middle management where I work is composed of ethnic minority employees, & as a white male I'm specifically excluded from any type of protection since even though I'm a numerical minority @ work (white male), I am in fact the man & the world needs to be protected from me & my kind

 

[olouie]

being asian is the worst sometimes (no personal interest here) because asians are minorities like everyone else but dont get any of the preference programs, scholarships etc and mostly do not get workplace protections of other minorities because the gov seems to think there are already enough asians doing well without these protections.

i say give EVERYONE equal protection.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Reading through this thread it seems too many white people are totally ok with racial discrimination - that's all it is. You can send off arguments all day long about stats and opportunities for white people and little ones for black people and all that garbage but in the end we come to the true conclusion that there are now laws in place that use racial discrimination to try to undo some of the wrongs that it has caused in the past. It makes no sense, is illogical, and should be done away with. I work with a very liberal black lady and she has no problem calling affirmative action racism because that's what it is.

EEO without affirmative action is nothing but slogan without any accountablity or compliance. And since whites own almost everything in this country (only major corp that's black is Beatrice) they will continue to employ thier own kind unltil we see evidence that America is free from bais. I see many instances of bais daily, from my nieghbors not wanting his daughter to date a black guy to blatent ones like the Rodney King beating. IMo it's unrealistic to rely on whites "good faith" to achive equal opportunity.

 

[TopGun]

Racism works both ways. Some people haven't figured that out yet. It's very annoying.

 

[StageLeft]

I see many instances of bais daily, from my nieghbors not wanting his daughter to date a black guy to blatent ones like the Rodney King beating. IMo it's unrealistic to rely on whites "good faith" to achive equal opportunity.

Perhaps but look at top gun's point:

Originally posted by: TopGun
Racism works both ways. Some people haven't figured that out yet. It's very annoying.

Affirmative action is to the point that many know that because of their being white they have a slim chance at getting a particular job. Whether it's accurate or not I remember back in university talking with some guys about joining the RCMP and the general consensus was that if you're not a minority or female you're going to have a damn hard time getting in. I know that most RCMP are probably white males but the opinion is there and we weren't red necks without an education.

I remember seeing a midget black woman cop (I sh*t you not). Geeze, I wonder how she got that job and if she should have it? It would take a half dozen of them to slow somebody down.

When you have cases of people having to hire minorities to meet a quote you'll have a backlash by those who don't fall under these quote guidelines to perhaps "hire their own kind".

The bottom line is it's racism in an attempt to fight racism.

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Careful there gooseman, before I make the assumption that you are a hostile psychotic who posts before he thinks...

Think whatever you want to about me...I won't lose any sleep over it, I assure you.

Your previous post wasn't specific enough ("Would you have thought the same thing if it had been a white kid") to clearly identify what you were taking issue with: 1.) the fact of someone harassing his wife, 2.) the decision (why or why not) about filing a complaint, or 3.) the fear of physical retribution if reported (which is a VALID fear, no matter who the offender is).

I am assuming there is a racial difference between poster and the harasser (otherwise why would he have specified "this one black kid"), but that isn't material to the issue raised, or at least IT SHOULDN'T BE. But, in effect, it is...because the whole "gang-banger" B.S. is simply a smokescreen for the real issue of that other post, WHICH IS THAT SOMEONE WAS HARASSING HIS WIFE.

A common ploy to avoid punishment for that kind of behavior: crying "racist" about a victim to excuse inappropriate and/or downright illegal behavior in the offender.

Now I don't know where this guy lives, I don't know what the socio-seconomic environment is like, and I don't even know if there is OBVIOUS proof of this kid being a gang member (his wife could be a schoolteacher, and this kid a student for all we know). But neither do you, which is my entire point.

Racism is a non-issue in sexual harassment, except where management refuses to take the appropriate and necessary action because of an offender's race, which CAN and DOES happen.

 

[m3rcury]

Originally posted by: SpongeBob

Originally posted by: roncarter

Originally posted by: SHoddyCOmp
It does suck. But it depends what you really look at to come to that conclusion

like i said.. i was looking at a scholorship posting.. it said you had to be black to get it...

my point is.. u never see a posting that says you have to be white... do you?

That's because the percentages of getting a scholarship are so in favor of a white person getting it, strictly based on the size of the white population. Basically, there are so many white applicants compared to black that it would be extremely hard for a black person to get a scholarship. That's not even assuming the other races that would be competing.

Scholarship should be based on intelligence and need. It shouldnt matter what race or ethnicity you are. Saying "percentages of getting a scholarship are so in favor of a white person" only reflects the fact that more white people get scholarships because there are more of them. If you see the percentage of people who get scholarships within each ethnicity, I'd guess they'd be the same. The minute you say "you should be smart, have a need for the money, and be <insert ethnic background here> to apply for this <whatever>", it becomes a race issue.

 

[LoveDoc]

It is absolutely ridiculous seeing the amount of ignorance that i have read in this thread. Whats proves this point the most is seeing how oh so many of you claim to just want equality and do not think racism exists anymore but you get this little chance to express yourselves and what am i reading? race bashing, race bashing, and more race bashing. The fact that you guys are even mentioning all these incidents and all these thoughts just proves that there is still a huge indeffirence towards blacks and that we as a society have a long way to go to end it.

Being black myself, i've seen all too often the amount of work that still needs to be done to gain equality oreven come anywhere close. And yes, I have been giving scholarships because I am black to attend school, and i'm proud of that. I'm proud of that because I earned that scholarship with a lot of hard work and dedication. I had to work hard to stay off the streets and become another "gangbanger that does drive bys and sells drugs". and just like how there are blacks who sit on their butts all day and just collect welfare checks, there are also whites that just sit on their butts all day and collect welfare checks. and just like how we have ghettos and gangbangers, whites have trailer parks and rednecks and the KKK. And I am sure if I was to look into it further, it would be the same with every other race, remember, every family has its outcast.

Knowledge is the door, and an open mind is the key.

 

[Red Dawn]

Knowledge is the door, and an open mind is the key.

Hey Doc, it's just the same old Whiney Pale Faces that blame their lack of ability to improve their station in life on others of color.

 

[Zebo]

. Whether it's accurate or not I remember back in university talking with some guys about joining the RCMP and the general consensus was that if you're not a minority or female you're going to have a damn hard time getting in. I know that most RCMP are probably white males but the opinion is there and we weren't red necks without an education.

Guess you guys were wrong ehh?

I remember seeing a midget black woman cop (I sh*t you not). Geeze, I wonder how she got that job and if she should have it? It would take a half dozen of them to slow somebody down.

Skoorb, No way anyone that can't take out a unarmed 200lb offender should be a cop imo. But that's not real the issue here it's about college admissions to prestigous programs. And no one who has gotten in to medical school becasue they were black were unquailifed to be there. The ratio under AA is something around 1/2 the black %population or around 7%. The other 93% of the slots go unscrutinized by the feds and you can get in under that can't you? Not to much to ask as long as the individual is qualified and it's really about what you do once you get there anyway.

When you have cases of people having to hire minorities to meet a quote you'll have a backlash by those who don't fall under these quote guidelines to perhaps "hire their own kind".
Too bad so sad. Being forced to do what's right to heal a nation with gapping holes of existing bias. Talk is cheap and we're simply asking for compliance with the idea's most people say they agree with.

The bottom line is it's racism in an attempt to fight racism.

How are you being discriminated against?

 

[StageLeft]

Too bad so sad. Being forced to do what's right to heal a nation with gapping holes of existing bias.

Well you think it's right

How are you being discriminated against?

I never have been AFAIK. How? Did you you just state above with quotas?

And no one who has gotten in to medical school becasue they were black were unquailifed to be there.

By unqualified if you mean meeting minimum requirements I'm sure you're right - but you can't tell me that there are not people who are MORE qualified than the minority being chosen, thus leaving these MORE capable people without the position. Of course that is the case. Not always but sometimes.

Racism: Discrimination or prejudice based on race. That is precisely what affirmative action is. The motives are good and true - try to overcome racism - but the methodology sucks because it relies on using what it is trying to counter.

 

[Frolodo]

BECAUSE WHITES ARE THE MAJORITY

 

[StageLeft]

The ratio under AA is something around 1/2 the black %population or around 7%.

Wait a sec does this mean that if all of the blacks in the nation applied to medschool half would get in? I hope those numbers sure as hell aren't right.

 

[Geekbabe]

Some of you here have been blessed with so many of the best things life has to offer,starting with being born, full term and healthy to well nourished middle class mothers who received good prenatal care. How can you sit and cry about somebody who might not have been as lucky getting a few crumbs from a pie that you've had a very big serving of ?

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: olouie
being asian is the worst sometimes (no personal interest here) because asians are minorities like everyone else but dont get any of the preference programs, scholarships etc and mostly do not get workplace protections of other minorities because the gov seems to think there are already enough asians doing well without these protections.

i say give EVERYONE equal protection.

I know what you're saying. I knew this one kid who was Indian. He had over 1500 SATs, 95+ average, lots of community service, but he didn't get into Harvard. All I remember him saying is that he wished he were black because he'd get in with those same scores. But, since there are lots of smart Indians, they weren't good enough.

 

[BuckleDownBen]

I think part of the problem here is that whites, lacking any culture of their own, have a hard time understanding and get annoyed whenever other groups express their own culture. BET is an expression of black culture. If there were White Entertainment Television, there would be no calls of racism, just laughs at what passes for white people's culture. As far as scholarships goes, if I donate money to create the scholarship, I will put any stipulation on it that I please.

By hook or by crook, Whites have managed to own 99.9 percent of this planet. By being complete asses, they also have managed to do 99.9 percent of the whining and complaining, just because the minoirites try to own .2 percent instead of .1 percent. I mean, if there are 100 spots open at a law school, and instead of having 80 whites and 20 minorites there are 75 whites and 25 minorities, due to AA, what is the big deal? 5 marginally qualified whites get passed up for 5 marginally unqualified minorites. So what?


Racism goes both ways buddy and you just crossed the line. You are out of here!

 

[Red Dawn]

All I remember him saying is that he wished he were black because he'd get in with those same scores.

Aren't Indians (S.Asian)considered black?