Why is LSD illegal?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
One of the reasons it used to be frowned upon so much (aside from the obvious) was a myth back in the 1960s that it caused birth defects if women ever tripped on the stuff.

This was discredited back in the 90s and there have been a few studies in Prague that concluded it would take an extremely high dosage (not common for humans to take) before they would see any chromosome or heredity changes result from it.

So basically, the idea of having drugged up people walking the streets and operating heavy machinery was once agani the reason it was outlawed. I'm sure it was just lumped in with 20 or 30 other halucinagens and narcotics on the legislation.

Actually, sentiment towards LSD is more likely the result of its more harmful precursor, ergotism (essentially a form of rotted grain, especially rye), which was quite common throughout history.
There's a bad joke in drug culture about having someone drop acid without their knowledge. Slip it into their drink or what-not. Pretty cruel trick. Anyway, that's essentially what ergotism was like, except to an entire community all at once.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Amphetamines and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

Fixed.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

QFT, but mainly because it's NOT AT ALL FUN.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

one is time release and the other one isn't

and in that respect, wouldn't oxy contin be more similar to coke?

I think adderall/ritalin would be more similar to meth, no?

 

[Modelworks]

The difference with cocaine and almost every other drug, is that LSD is a hard drug to overdose.
Personally I don't think the government has the right to regulate anything you do in your own home that does not infringe on another persons rights.
If someone wants to do cocaine every day , and they do it in their home, and don't drive, so be it.
If they drive or go in public causing problems, then throw the book at them.

One of the chief proponents of illegal drugs, that worked for the government to get them banned, back in the 1920's once said before his death in the 1980's, that the making of some drugs illegal was the worst decision of his life. That it caused way more problems than it ever solved.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

Indeed, I didn't like it one bit.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

one is time release and the other one isn't

and in that respect, wouldn't oxy contin be more similar to coke?

I think adderall/ritalin would be more similar to meth, no?

Adderall is composed of amphetamine salts. Very similar to methamphetamine.
Ritalin uses some other drug but I think it behaves somewhat similarly, I think more often used for true ADHD, while Adderall is more for ADD (reclassified as ADHD-__, can't remember the specific name. Some class type naming system for all ADHD related disorders)

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[Eli]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

one is time release and the other one isn't

and in that respect, wouldn't oxy contin be more similar to coke?

I think adderall/ritalin would be more similar to meth, no?

No. Well, sorta.

Oxycontin is an opiate, adderall/ritalin are amphetamines. Methamphetamine is a related compound.

Cocaine is an alkaloid unrelated to other drugs, AFAIK.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

LOL I have some friends who've tried it, in massive dosage no less. They had no idea what they were getting into, and said that it was like being trapped under ice. Worst experience ever. Makes for hilarious stories though...

That kind of panic is what a bad trip is. It's no fun at all. Even though you keep telling yourself it's OK you have absolutely zero control over your emotions and the panic/sadness will be like nothing you've ever felt, magnified by 100.

I thought I'd never have one because I'm a pretty happy guy but a couple of them came out of nowhere. The worse part about it is you know you're gonna be like this for a good long time and there isn't anything you can do to stop it.

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
One of the reasons it used to be frowned upon so much (aside from the obvious) was a myth back in the 1960s that it caused birth defects if women ever tripped on the stuff.

This was discredited back in the 90s and there have been a few studies in Prague that concluded it would take an extremely high dosage (not common for humans to take) before they would see any chromosome or heredity changes result from it.

So basically, the idea of having drugged up people walking the streets and operating heavy machinery was once agani the reason it was outlawed. I'm sure it was just lumped in with 20 or 30 other halucinagens and narcotics on the legislation.

Actually, sentiment towards LSD is more likely the result of its more harmful precursor, ergotism (essentially a form of rotted grain, especially rye), which was quite common throughout history.
There's a bad joke in drug culture about having someone drop acid without their knowledge. Slip it into their drink or what-not. Pretty cruel trick. Anyway, that's essentially what ergotism was like, except to an entire community all at once.

I've actully heard that ergotism might have triggered the French Revolution.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, sentiment towards LSD is more likely the result of its more harmful precursor, ergotism (essentially a form of rotted grain, especially rye), which was quite common throughout history.
There's a bad joke in drug culture about having someone drop acid without their knowledge. Slip it into their drink or what-not. Pretty cruel trick. Anyway, that's essentially what ergotism was like, except to an entire community all at once.

I thought there were actually small communities that went bat shit crazy because of this and there was speculation that some of the salem witch hunt was affected.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

one is time release and the other one isn't

and in that respect, wouldn't oxy contin be more similar to coke?

I think adderall/ritalin would be more similar to meth, no?

No. Well, sorta.

Oxycontin is an opiate, adderall/ritalin are amphetamines. Methamphetamine is a related compound.

Cocaine is an alkaloid unrelated to other drugs, AFAIK.

Right, that is closer. Adderall is amphetamine (salt forms thereof). Ritalin is close to amphetamine (as is Ecstasy) and methamphetamine. Cocaine (and Novocaine and other sorts of 'caine' drugs) are different sorts of animals.

Hydrocodone, hydromorphone, morphine, codeine, and other opiates are yet another sort of drug.

Anyhow .. . I have known tons of people - including my brother - who are ADHD and take Adderall but I wouldn't consider any of them addictive. They prefer their personality when on medication, but none of them have actual physical dependency on it.

 

[seemingly random]

I know a few people who attribute their general friedness to heavy drug use. What is uncertain is if they would've ended up like this without the drugs.

 

[RESmonkey]

Drugs are bad, mmmkay.

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

LOL I have some friends who've tried it, in massive dosage no less. They had no idea what they were getting into, and said that it was like being trapped under ice. Worst experience ever. Makes for hilarious stories though...

That kind of panic is what a bad trip is. It's no fun at all. Even though you keep telling yourself it's OK you have absolutely zero control over your emotions and the panic/sadness will be like nothing you've ever felt, magnified by 100.

I thought I'd never have one because I'm a pretty happy guy but a couple of them came out of nowhere. The worse part about it is you know you're gonna be like this for a good long time and there isn't anything you can do to stop it.

Yea, that's why I propose Salvia because you know it's going to last only 10 mins or so.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: tidehigh
it was made illegal to try to curb the counter culture uprising a few decades ago.

for the idiots replying, MJ was made illegal because of the mexican immigration problem in TX a few decades before that.

This. Early prohibition was fueled by racism. Later prohibition is fueled by generic ignorance. Wait 10 years and watch cough medicine (dextromethorphan) become illegal.

 

[conehead433]

Any drug that makes you think is illegal, and any drug that might make you think that the government is screwing you and everyone else is ILLEGAL!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

LOL I have some friends who've tried it, in massive dosage no less. They had no idea what they were getting into, and said that it was like being trapped under ice. Worst experience ever. Makes for hilarious stories though...

That kind of panic is what a bad trip is. It's no fun at all. Even though you keep telling yourself it's OK you have absolutely zero control over your emotions and the panic/sadness will be like nothing you've ever felt, magnified by 100.

I thought I'd never have one because I'm a pretty happy guy but a couple of them came out of nowhere. The worse part about it is you know you're gonna be like this for a good long time and there isn't anything you can do to stop it.

Yea, that's why I propose Salvia because you know it's going to last only 10 mins or so.

some weird shit can happen in those 10 minutes though. And then the come down lasts a good while, and in a bad experience, that come down can be just as nerve racking until it's done.

oh and for future reference: no alcohol should be consumed prior to salvia.

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[Ns1]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

LOL I have some friends who've tried it, in massive dosage no less. They had no idea what they were getting into, and said that it was like being trapped under ice. Worst experience ever. Makes for hilarious stories though...

That kind of panic is what a bad trip is. It's no fun at all. Even though you keep telling yourself it's OK you have absolutely zero control over your emotions and the panic/sadness will be like nothing you've ever felt, magnified by 100.

I thought I'd never have one because I'm a pretty happy guy but a couple of them came out of nowhere. The worse part about it is you know you're gonna be like this for a good long time and there isn't anything you can do to stop it.

Yea, that's why I propose Salvia because you know it's going to last only 10 mins or so.

some weird shit can happen in those 10 minutes though. And then the come down lasts a good while, and in a bad experience, that come down can be just as nerve racking until it's done.

oh and for future reference: no alcohol should be consumed prior to salvia.

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Well let's see. I would rather have my 5 hour quasi bad trip vs the 10 minute trip i had on salvia. fuck that shit.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Amphetamines and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

Fixed.

Actually this is half-wrong. Amphetamine is legal. Dexedrine and Adderall are amphetamines.
Cocaine ~ Ritalin (similar)
Amphetamine == Adderall (literally the same)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

edit: and yes you will go to jail if you sell Adderall to somebody who does not have a prescription. Amphetamine is still amphetamine.

 

[olds]

meh. I did a lot of LSD in the 70s. Smoked much weed and snorted a lot of coke too.
LSD was the bomb till we found mushrooms and mescaline.

LSD tends to exaggerate the mood you are in. Good mood, good trip. Bad mood, bad trip. You also get smart enough to solve all the worlds problems but you can't remember the fixes after you come down.

Uh, what were we talking about again?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Why is marijuana illegal?

Discuss.

Why is pie legal.

Discuss.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

While we're on the topic, today is the day that Albert Hofmann discovered the effects of LSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann

On April 19, he took a historic Bicycle Ride while tripping on a minute amount of LSd.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

Indeed, I didn't like it one bit.

Why?

I have heard a lot of bad stories and seen many people have bad trips on salvia but personally i've only experianced positive effects mostly manifested in crazy dreams.

To NS1 and anyone else who has done both lsd and salvia which one do you consider more dangerous and intense because i've been on the fence about doing lsd even though i've smoke more than 2g's of 40x salvia extracts?

Oh and in regards to whoever said cannabis makes people lazy and useless i'd say that laziness moreso depends on the person although cannabis does amplify the urge to give up. That being said i've smoked cannabis for quite a while and i'm my school's valedictorian so cannabis is never the entire reason for a person's failures.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: tidehigh
it was made illegal to try to curb the counter culture uprising a few decades ago.

for the idiots replying, MJ was made illegal because of the mexican immigration problem in TX a few decades before that.

Then why is it illegal in Canada?

For the Mexicans that made it that far?