Why is LSD illegal?

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Savij
This is why it's illegal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpmjHrmNI9I

The poor thing is probably tripping out of its freaking mind.

How do you even dose a cat?

If a 160lb mans dose is 50 micrograms, a 10lb cat would need what, 3 micrograms?

They probably gave it a normal human dose. :roll:

Besides, if you want to compare it to humans, give it to a monkey. A cat isn't going to be able to understand what is happening to it. Neither is a monkey for that matter, but at least the monkey has a better chance.

 

[tidehigh]

I don't know the reasoning MJ was made illegal in Canada. My answer was referring to the laws made against MJ in the USA. I'd give a reference link if I wasn't at work.

300000x a normal dose of ANYTHING would kill, well, anything.

LSD does not cause bad trips. People's own troubles, both internal and external cause bad trips. LSD should not be available like a 6 pack, of course. I do think it could have great merit in the treatment of psychological illnesses, if given the chance. No, strapping unkowing patients down and giving them 100x a normal dose and watching them freak out is not a valid test to determine that is not safe for medical use.

 

[tidehigh]

CoW its his problem if he's a lazy ass. If MJ does that to him, then its still his fault. Just because he chooses to smoke MJ and be lazy makes it wrong for me to smoke MJ and go fishing?

 

[LS21]

recently a kid who lives (lived) where i used to live for college tripped, went nuts and jumped off a 4th balcony when his girlfriend turned her back to him.

i generally *dont* favor government control over drugs, on principle.... but i dont think its appropriate for things like LSD to be made readily available to / easily accessible for kids

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Savij
This is why it's illegal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpmjHrmNI9I

The poor thing is probably tripping out of its freaking mind.

How do you even dose a cat?

If a 160lb mans dose is 50 micrograms, a 10lb cat would need what, 3 micrograms?

They probably gave it a normal human dose. :roll:

Besides, if you want to compare it to humans, give it to a monkey. A cat isn't going to be able to understand what is happening to it. Neither is a monkey for that matter, but at least the monkey has a better chance.

If I remember correctly, the cat got a dangerously high dose for that vid. It's not really a fair study, but that's the image that LSD has.

 

[Chiropteran]

Why is speeding illegal?

For the record, I have never tried it and I don't want to. I was just reading this thread and started tio think about other illegal activities.

It isn't toxic, isn't considered addictive, and doesn't hurt you. It just makes you get places faster. Can someone with more knowledge explain it to me?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Why is speeding illegal?

For the record, I have never tried it and I don't want to. I was just reading this thread and started tio think about other illegal activities.

It isn't toxic, isn't considered addictive, and doesn't hurt you. It just makes you get places faster. Can someone with more knowledge explain it to me?

easy money for cities?

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Marijuana really doesn't do a lot of harm physically but my ex brother-in-law is a perfect example of how it's harmful.

His family all smokes pot and he has been since he was a young teen. He's a complete loser and has zero ambition in life. When he was laid off from a decent job he had, he was eligible to go on a state program that would give him a free two year college education. He was too lazy to go take the tests to qualify and passed up on a free college education. I confronted him on this and his typically pothead argument was "well, maybe I don't want the same things in life that you do."

No shit.

sounds like he's a lazy sack of shit

pothead =/= lazy sack of shit

of course if he's happy then whatever, it's a moot point.

Yeah man, dont bring potheads into this like they are all like this.

Just because he didn't want a free education doesn't mean it was because of the pot.

This is why there are misguided drug laws:
A lazy person will be a lazy person no matter what.
An addict will be an addict, whether its to gambling, alcohol, or drugs. Banning one of these substances wont break the cycle.
A person with drive and ambition will be a person with drive and ambition, regardless of the things they ingest

 

[cubeless]

if the question is a prelude to experimentation, be real careful... the biggest problem i've had behind tripping and trippers is that, unlike too many downers, too much grass or booze, you don't fall asleep on your first try... this is what has injured a few folks i know... if you are hallucinating to the point of losing touch with reality in the back of your mind, you can really get hurt...

and scared-of-what-they're-seeing, i-wanna-get-off-this-bus episodes can be really bad, since u r in it for a good 4-6 hours once u sign in...

dosage is very inconsistant in street goods, so you cannot be sure how good a hit u r going to get...

as one who has done and seen in this arena, i would counsel you to stick to milder recreations... this is one place that a first time boo-boo can really hurt...

 

[mitchel]

I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

 

[judasmachine]

Too many of the horror stories about acid are true. I've done my share, and never had a bad experience, nor did any of my friends. However, many people do some incredibly stupid things on it.

BTW there were two advocates for LSD off the top of my head; Aldous Huxley, and Timothy Leary. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[torpid]

Because of HPPD and the potential for psychotic reactions. Those may be only relevant to certain pre-disposed people but until we know exactly when it will occur, the risk is there and significant enough to be scary. I'm not sure if those risks apply to mild hallucinogenics like marijuana or only strong ones like LSD, but it is worth noting that they are probably not exclusive to LSD.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Ns1
cuz you can go fucking crazy and hurt yourself


lsd is not for the noobish.

This.

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Why is marijuana illegal?

Discuss.

Has nothing to do with LSD.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

it's a strange bird that needs the perfect circumstances and environment. It's completely a shamanic drug, and should be used for only shamanic purposes.

+

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

haha nice catch there

Although I would think Sativa 10x standarized would be mighty interesting if you could get your hands on it.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

haha nice catch there

Although I would think Sativa 10x standarized would be mighty interesting if you could get your hands on it.

That would just be some kief/hash/goo/extract...

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

Not for any normal person.

When the government was doing research on the subject, the doses required to fsck someones mind over were mind boggling. Nobody would ever do that much at once on their own.

There is no logical reason LSD is illegal, just like there is no logical reason marijuana is illegal.

Granted, LSD shouldn't be compared to marijuana, but it is arguably just as safe. It isn't going to kill you. It's not addictive. I've never heard of an LSD junkie. You just don't do that.

It has a strange "hard drug" stigma around it with most people. Many of the same people have no problems with mushrooms, though. Even though LSD is more intense than mushrooms, its certainly in the same vein.

LSD isn't something people do just to get fucked up on a whim, like you can with marijuana or alcohol. It tends to be more planned out and purposeful.

IT isn't going to kill you, but the argument is that what you might do while on it could kill you.

You mean like drive a car? Oh wait, that's alcohol.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Hyperlite

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

Not for any normal person.

When the government was doing research on the subject, the doses required to fsck someones mind over were mind boggling. Nobody would ever do that much at once on their own.

There is no logical reason LSD is illegal, just like there is no logical reason marijuana is illegal.

Granted, LSD shouldn't be compared to marijuana, but it is arguably just as safe. It isn't going to kill you. It's not addictive. I've never heard of an LSD junkie. You just don't do that.

It has a strange "hard drug" stigma around it with most people. Many of the same people have no problems with mushrooms, though. Even though LSD is more intense than mushrooms, its certainly in the same vein.

LSD isn't something people do just to get fucked up on a whim, like you can with marijuana or alcohol. It tends to be more planned out and purposeful.

IT isn't going to kill you, but the argument is that what you might do while on it could kill you.

You mean like drive a car? Oh wait, that's alcohol.

No, like having such a bad trip, you do something stupid. Like hitting someone with a bat.

I'm fine for Marijuana Legalization, but I'm more hesitant on harder drugs such as LSD where bad trips can cause people to hurt other people.

 

[Vic]

It's not for people already pre-disposed to mental disorders, especially anxiety or OCD.

 

[Scarpozzi]

One of the reasons it used to be frowned upon so much (aside from the obvious) was a myth back in the 1960s that it caused birth defects if women ever tripped on the stuff.

This was discredited back in the 90s and there have been a few studies in Prague that concluded it would take an extremely high dosage (not common for humans to take) before they would see any chromosome or heredity changes result from it.

So basically, the idea of having drugged up people walking the streets and operating heavy machinery was once agani the reason it was outlawed. I'm sure it was just lumped in with 20 or 30 other halucinagens and narcotics on the legislation.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with salvia 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

Edit: Ofcourse it can kick your ass in those 10 minutes like nothing.

LOL I have some friends who've tried it, in massive dosage no less. They had no idea what they were getting into, and said that it was like being trapped under ice. Worst experience ever. Makes for hilarious stories though...

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

Yeah Salvia really fucked me up a couple times... I did some extract out of a bong and it was decent till I started coming down. It just sucked. Once, a few years ago, I was on pure DXM and smoked some salvia 5x.... I saw ants building pyramids. Only time I've ever had full hallucinations. It was crazy.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Why is marijuana illegal?

Discuss.

That isn't the point here. It's much easier to debate marijuana's legality. I have never seen an advocate for legalizing LSD

i advocate legalizing it.

I second that. LSD is a non-addictive psychedelic. All psychedelics should be legalized IMO. Of course I think all drugs period should be legalized, but psychedelics and marijuana are a good place to start.

 

[Eeezee]

The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other