Why is LSD illegal?

[Canai]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Canai

The only time I ever hallucinated, I saw ants building pyramids. I was in a pyramid building mood and needed giant ant overlords?

Predicting the trip is impossible. Good trips can go bad, and bad trips can suddenly turn amazing.

Your posts certainly seem to be following the whole "If you do this, you will die/go crazy/ permanantly get fucked in the head." It's not that at all. Sure there is a chance something bad will happen, but there's a chance of bad things happening at any place, with any activity.

What is your experience with mind altering substances?

That's weird. All the acid I've done there were ALWAYS massive mind blowing hallucinations.

The demons slicing up my flesh and carrying it away to eat in their little group wasn't that fun.

I've never done acid. What I saw was on crystalline DXM and Salvia extract.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: schizoid77
They couldn't control it back in the day, so they just ban it from everyone.

America is like a giant kindergarten class.

Meanwhile, alcohol is legal and kills people on a daily basis.

Oh, wait, let me find which Defense Mechanism I just used.

Gimme a break. America is all about control, not freedom.

Alcohol also has a history of probably 7,000 years. That is a hell of a cultural precedent when compared to LSD. Alcohol, specifically beer, essentially helped human civilization survive through many periods of Europe when society was facing plagues.

Essentially comparing alcohol to LSD is woefully ignorant and ill-conceived as the societal and cultural impacts are so vastly different. Besides basic human survival in Europe depended on booze, not so much on LSD.

 

[schizoid77]

Yes, I am comparing a drug to a drug, I don't care how old the drug is.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: schizoid77
They couldn't control it back in the day, so they just ban it from everyone.

America is like a giant kindergarten class.

Meanwhile, alcohol is legal and kills people on a daily basis.

Oh, wait, let me find which Defense Mechanism I just used.

Gimme a break. America is all about control, not freedom.

Alcohol also has a history of probably 7,000 years. That is a hell of a cultural precedent when compared to LSD. Alcohol, specifically beer, essentially helped human civilization survive through many periods of Europe when society was facing plagues.

Essentially comparing alcohol to LSD is woefully ignorant and ill-conceived as the societal and cultural impacts are so vastly different. Besides basic human survival in Europe depended on booze, not so much on LSD.

I see what your saying but using history as a supporting argument on the dangers of drugs is an awful idea. Just because the sterile (word choice?) nature of alcohol allowed Europeans to store grains to keep them alive during harsh times in history does not mean that it earned its right to be legal now.
In today's society where the olden benefits of alcohol are essentially gone, we should look at its overall effect which nowadays is negative.

BTW, How do you feel about marijuana legalization then? It too has a long history as it has recorded use as a painkiller in ancient China (or even earlier than recorded history) and was sanctioned by the founding fathers as well as much of the Asian continent, not to mention its cultural and religions implications in the Indian subcontinent.

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

Not for any normal person.

When the government was doing research on the subject, the doses required to fsck someones mind over were mind boggling. Nobody would ever do that much at once on their own.

There is no logical reason LSD is illegal, just like there is no logical reason marijuana is illegal.

Granted, LSD shouldn't be compared to marijuana, but it is arguably just as safe. It isn't going to kill you. It's not addictive. I've never heard of an LSD junkie. You just don't do that.

It has a strange "hard drug" stigma around it with most people. Many of the same people have no problems with mushrooms, though. Even though LSD is more intense than mushrooms, its certainly in the same vein.

LSD isn't something people do just to get fucked up on a whim, like you can with marijuana or alcohol. It tends to be more planned out and purposeful.

Edit: At least with the people I associate myself with....

I think when you take it just to trip balls, and are not in the right places with the right people.. is when you run into problems.

The thing is that the demand for LSD is so low, that it doesn't even register. When was the last time you heard about an LSD bust, or even someone getting charged with posession?

I think it should be legal. Nothing would change. The people that want to do LSD are going to do it regardless.

While I agree with almost everything you are saying, and I have myself eaten more acid than 100 people combined should in a decade....but the fact of the matter is, is that stuff is not meant for everyone. I've been around to see enough dumb people take it and go bonkers for a few days.. but that aside; LSD will be there for those who know its potential and use it for reasons other than to "get high" or see cool things.. it goes much beyond that, for the soul and mind.. but thats not what I'm trying to get into right now. The point is it will be there, legal or not.. and as to legalize.. why? its already there for those who want (sorry to repeat what you're saying) but to legalize it would mean that people who had no earlier intention of trying it would try it just based on the fact that it is legal.. which can lead to myriad of crazy things in the wrong hands.

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
Never happened to me, but look at Syd Barret.

On a semi related note, I somewhat bad tripped once. I was really into Pink Floyd at the time, and I somehow convinced myself that I was Syd Barret, gone completely insane and to remain that way for the rest of my life.

I knew this guy that went on a road trip with a few friends (State called Goa, about 450 miles from where I live). He tripped on some acid, went out for a walk, caught a bus, and 24 hours later came back home.

He left his cell in the hotel room and his friends had no freaking idea where he was. I had to call them and tell them he was safe, back home.

It's a funny story but I imagine a lot could have gone wrong.

Barret was way too extreme though. I figure something like that might happen to a small minority of users but it still sounds freaky to me.

hahaha..oh man thats funny, last time I went to india I spent a few weeks in Goa.. camped on the beach... whoa man those guys are crazy.. brings a whole new meaning to "what a strange trip its been" .. wow, I love that place.. I had so much fun. Raves all night til the sun comes up.. go for a swim in the water to wash the sweat off ya... hit the tent for some sleep.. and start the day all over again with some other rave.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheGizmo

While I agree with almost everything you are saying, and I have myself eaten more acid than 100 people combined should in a decade....but the fact of the matter is, is that stuff is not meant for everyone. I've been around to see enough dumb people take it and go bonkers for a few days.. but that aside; LSD will be there for those who know its potential and use it for reasons other than to "get high" or see cool things.. it goes much beyond that, for the soul and mind.. but thats not what I'm trying to get into right now. The point is it will be there, legal or not.. and as to legalize.. why? its already there for those who want (sorry to repeat what you're saying) but to legalize it would mean that people who had no earlier intention of trying it would try it just based on the fact that it is legal.. which can lead to myriad of crazy things in the wrong hands.

And that is how similar substances are handled in even the most primitive of cultures, it's a right of passage of sorts and they use other harmona alkaloids. It can have a significant impact on people and it's guarded well by their "elders".

The only difference today is the elders in modern socitey decided it would be best to not try it, based mainly on the havoc it caused in the 60s with no respect for what it really did (the user). It really does screw with your mind.

Regarding the law, and I haven't looked at it in a very long time - LSD is considered a very serious federal crime. Distribution or manufacturing carries very heavy penalties of even a single offense.

I'll say again as somebody who did a ton of acid, 4-8 hits were common, it SHOULD be illegal. IMHO it's in an entire class of it's own and not to be viewed lightly or even in the same sentence of other substances except maybe some of the other top psychedelics already mentioned.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite
i'll undoubtedly get flamed for this, but take the reasons weed is illegal and multiply it by ninety nine billion.

Or to simplify things, take the reasons alcohol was legal, made illegal (because it was an evil manace) and then re-legalized (because it was really ok), then multiply that by 32,768

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Ns1
cuz you can go fucking crazy and hurt yourself


lsd is not for the noobish.

LSD does neither of those things except to people who are already crazy and want to hurt themselves, but it isn't a toy or a party drug, either. If you understand what you're doing, you can have a great experience.

It's illegal because the government felt threatened by a particular counterculture, and banning LSD allowed cops to declare war on that culture. That's the same reason EVERY banned drug was banned.

The fact that the government is largely responsible for feeding that particular counterculture by introducing them to LSD was apparently a trivial detail.

The reason the legal drugs are still legal is because the government doesn't feel threatened by them. Drunks don't challenge the status quo, and smokers don't do anything but pay extra taxes. But marijuana smokers and LSD-droppers are... *shudder*... LIBERALS! AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!

I've been there and back many times, am better for it, and suffered few consequences, and have no strong feelings either way about ever returning. The government needs to protect me from violent drunks a lot more than long-hairs sitting the woods all day.

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea PCP is bad fing news

pcp == horse tranquilizer?

ketamine = horse tranq = k

pcp = wtf x infinity

damn straight... lol

 

[daveshel]

I'm a big proponent of the psychedelic experience, and I've had quite a few. I think it is a powerful tool and a boon to mankind. However, I don't think it should be readily readily available outside of a community that can monitor and assist with its administration. Like the 'family' that kept it alive from the 60s through the turn of the century.

 

[tidehigh]

pcp aint shit. every done DMT?

 

[tidehigh]

jk about PCP, but for real... those who say they've tripped 100 times on LSD... combine that and multiply (or divide - it does both) by infinity and you've got something close to DMT

 

[meltdown75]

don't eat the brown acid, man.

 

[MyThirdEye]

I heard that if you take LSD more than 3 times, that clinically, you are insane.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: schizoid77
They couldn't control it back in the day, so they just ban it from everyone.

America is like a giant kindergarten class.

Meanwhile, alcohol is legal and kills people on a daily basis.

Oh, wait, let me find which Defense Mechanism I just used.

Gimme a break. America is all about control, not freedom.

Alcohol also has a history of probably 7,000 years. That is a hell of a cultural precedent when compared to LSD. Alcohol, specifically beer, essentially helped human civilization survive through many periods of Europe when society was facing plagues.

Essentially comparing alcohol to LSD is woefully ignorant and ill-conceived as the societal and cultural impacts are so vastly different. Besides basic human survival in Europe depended on booze, not so much on LSD.

I see what your saying but using history as a supporting argument on the dangers of drugs is an awful idea. Just because the sterile (word choice?) nature of alcohol allowed Europeans to store grains to keep them alive during harsh times in history does not mean that it earned its right to be legal now.
In today's society where the olden benefits of alcohol are essentially gone, we should look at its overall effect which nowadays is negative.

BTW, How do you feel about marijuana legalization then? It too has a long history as it has recorded use as a painkiller in ancient China (or even earlier than recorded history) and was sanctioned by the founding fathers as well as much of the Asian continent, not to mention its cultural and religions implications in the Indian subcontinent.

mind altering drugs also have a long history, schooms, peyote and the like were used for thousands of years as part of their spirituality

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
I heard that if you take LSD more than 3 times, that clinically, you are insane.

that's poppycock, but i am interested where you heard it from so i can flame the living hell out of the source. sounds like BS drug-war propaganda.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
I heard that if you take LSD more than 3 times, that clinically, you are insane.

Ha ha ha. Then I must be absolutely batshit crazy.

 

[PepePeru]

in my experience after tripping i was extremely depressed.

yeah, it was a variety of factors contributing to my depression at the time. I lived in a shit-bird small college town, had no real friends in said town and was about 19.

I just felt like there was hardly anyone I could relate to or talk about it w/, since no one i knew had ever done it..Its hard to explain unless you experienced it i guess.

Obviously I'd been depressed before tripping, but i really think LSD exacerbated it and really brought it out to a greater degree.

I never had a bad trip either. I always had fun on it. the last time I tripped it was by myself the whole time.

Its helluva drug.

 

[onlyCOpunk]

Because it makes people go effing crazy, literally. What is like after you've done 3 or 5 hits you are considered legally insane?

But really it's probably just because like any other drug the government has a hard time keeping track of it and making money off it's sale.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Because it makes people go effing crazy, literally. What is like after you've done 3 or 5 hits you are considered legally insane?

But really it's probably just because like any other drug the government has a hard time keeping track of it and making money off it's sale.

god where do you people come up with this shit

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Ns1
cuz you can go fucking crazy and hurt yourself and others


lsd is not for the noobish.

fixed for the main reason.

People do stupid enough stuff as it is. LSD just ups the bar and then they use it to plea against.


I am not into banning it really, but that is the reason why. People want laws to make them safe not free.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: schizoid77
They couldn't control it back in the day, so they just ban it from everyone.

America is like a giant kindergarten class.

Meanwhile, alcohol is legal and kills people on a daily basis.

Oh, wait, let me find which Defense Mechanism I just used.

Gimme a break. America is all about control, not freedom.

You definitely have a point there, and well placed sarcasm.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
I heard that if you take LSD more than 3 times, that clinically, you are insane.

Yes, and Nurse Ratchet will keep the keys. You'll be allowed to smoke during specific 20 minute intervals, one in the morning, one in the middle afternoon.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Because it makes people go effing crazy, literally. What is like after you've done 3 or 5 hits you are considered legally insane?

But really it's probably just because like any other drug the government has a hard time keeping track of it and making money off it's sale.

god where do you people come up with this shit

govt propaganda

IDK where it started but ive heard people saying that for as long as ive known what drugs and LSD were