Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Mickey21
Sometimes just watching threads gives me the most pleasure...yukichigai

I come from Nevada; you're lucky I don't charge by the hour.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

My point is that there is NO comparison at work here. People simply claim that because they are both drugs and both of their purposes is to mess you up that they should both be legal, simply on the basis that one is legal. This is faulty reasoning. Actually, the logical way to go would be to make both illegal since both cause more harm than good. I am not saying that we should do that. This is actually the reason why the reasoning is faulty...because you can use the same arguement to persuade someone to go either way. You could say that becauase one is legal, both should be legal. Or you could say that since one is legal and the other is illegal, both should be illegal. You get no where. You're right back where you started. That's why it's faulty. Both sides are using the same argument to make 2 completly opposite statements and both are perfectly valid. Fallacies were thought up to prevent this sort of thing because it becomes a huge mess (like we are in now). If you want further clarification, I can try to explain more.

 

[Mickey21]

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.[/quote]

His point is that instead of bitching about why cannabis is illegal, you should bitch that other drugs are legal.[/quote]Hmmm...

But that doesen't make any sense. Half the point of this discussion brings up the fact that the government should have no say. As long as I am not endangering anybody else, it should not be illegal. It doesen't make sense.

There is no logical reason why cannabis is against the law when alcohol and cigarettes are within the law.

Why would we restrict ourselves even more by arguing that no drug should be legal? That is completely opposite of this discussion.[/quote]

It's kind of like people complaining that so far the war has killed X# of people, when you could look at LOCAL statistics of any major city and find numerous ways people die for stupider reasons like driving while drunk, and no one gives a sh!t.

BTW, I do care about soldiers lives, it just shows how much of a hypocrites we are....

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

My point is that there is NO comparison at work here. People simply claim that because they are both drugs and both of their purposes is to mess you up that they should both be legal, simply on the basis that one is legal. This is faulty reasoning. Actually, the logical way to go would be to make both illegal since both cause more harm than good. I am not saying that we should do that. This is actually the reason why the reasoning is faulty...because you can use the same arguement to persuade someone to go either way. You could say that becauase one is legal, both should be legal. Or you could say that since one is legal and the other is illegal, both should be illegal. You get no where. You're right back where you started. That's why it's faulty. Both sides are using the same argument to make 2 completly opposite statements and both are perfectly valid. Fallacies were thought up to prevent this sort of thing because it becomes a huge mess (like we are in now). If you want further clarification, I can try to explain more.

That's called "difference of interpretation" and it's what our Supreme Court was created to examine. (one of the things anyway) That's no logical fallacy, just a mutual point amongst separate arguments.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

His point is that instead of bitching about why cannabis is illegal, you should bitch that other drugs are legal.

Quite the contrary... I want them ALL to be legal, subject to appropriate regulation, of course.

XZeroII, apology accepted. However:

1. I see no logical fallacy in pointing out that one dangerous drug is legal while another similar but much less dangerous drug is illegal. I see no "logical fallacy" in pointing out that our laws contain hyprocrisy.

2. I have witnessed firsthand the benefit of medical marijuana use with a friend of mine who died from terminal cancer (non-Hodkins lymphoma). Do not tell me it has no benefits. I have seen, have you? OTOH, why are benefits required? What business is it of yours to decide what is beneficial to other people and what is not? What made you believe that you have that right and power? You don't.

3. Neither marijuana nor its effects kill anyone. No one has ever OD'ed, and there is no proof that it has ever even cause lung cancer in anyone from long term use. The possibility is there, I won't deny that, but the harm (if any) is something that the user does only to himself. Why you think that's a big deal, I have no idea. Ice cream is unhealthy too, and I don't see you rallying to have that outlawed. And pointing that out is not a "logical fallacy." I don't think you know what that phrase means...

 

[XZeroII]

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

 

[EXman]

XZeroII,

1. You're stupid and should learn to spell and use basic grammar.

hehe he was giving me pointers yesterday

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

My point is that there is NO comparison at work here. People simply claim that because they are both drugs and both of their purposes is to mess you up that they should both be legal, simply on the basis that one is legal. This is faulty reasoning. Actually, the logical way to go would be to make both illegal since both cause more harm than good. I am not saying that we should do that. This is actually the reason why the reasoning is faulty...because you can use the same arguement to persuade someone to go either way. You could say that becauase one is legal, both should be legal. Or you could say that since one is legal and the other is illegal, both should be illegal. You get no where. You're right back where you started. That's why it's faulty. Both sides are using the same argument to make 2 completly opposite statements and both are perfectly valid. Fallacies were thought up to prevent this sort of thing because it becomes a huge mess (like we are in now). If you want further clarification, I can try to explain more.

consistentcy in the law is what is important. If they are going to ristrict our rights they should do it across the board without discrimination. If they are going to ban things that are "bad" they should ban all things that are bad otherwise it sends mixed messages and creates this argument we are having right now.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Why not? Where does need come into it? Do we need to stamp out the threat of ice cream too? Do you ever get in a car and just take a trip for the sheer pleasure of taking a trip? Should that be illegal too? Should we make every single thing that we don't need illegal? If so, I think you should know that basic human needs are a mud hut to live in, some animal hide to wear, and some gruel to eat. That may be the way you want us to live, but I won't allow that.
And I think the one with the logical fallacies is you...

 

[waylman]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

My point is that there is NO comparison at work here. People simply claim that because they are both drugs and both of their purposes is to mess you up that they should both be legal, simply on the basis that one is legal. This is faulty reasoning. Actually, the logical way to go would be to make both illegal since both cause more harm than good. I am not saying that we should do that. This is actually the reason why the reasoning is faulty...because you can use the same arguement to persuade someone to go either way. You could say that becauase one is legal, both should be legal. Or you could say that since one is legal and the other is illegal, both should be illegal. You get no where. You're right back where you started. That's why it's faulty. Both sides are using the same argument to make 2 completly opposite statements and both are perfectly valid. Fallacies were thought up to prevent this sort of thing because it becomes a huge mess (like we are in now). If you want further clarification, I can try to explain more.

You still don't get it. The argument is that marijuana is much LESS harmful than alcohol. It has nothing to do with what you are saying above. Unfortunately, the American gov't is not willing to admit this and since you are obviously brainwashed, we have to listen to you spew utter BS.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Ahhhh.... Well keeping that in mind I have to say of course it has no benifits in that instance. That's why they call it "recreational use". Same is true for Tobacco, Alcohol, etc etc.

I have no qualms letting people toke up for the hell of it, as I come from strong Irish and German ancestry. The use of chemicals for recreational purposes is nothing new to me, so I figure why not add in a little variety to what you can use?

 

[hopeless879]

Ok, I didn't read the entire thread, but I caught most of it, here's my take on the subject.

It was first made illegal in the early 1900's because of a mexican immigrant worker raped and killed some girl in Santa Fe I believe. The news media at that time blamed marijuana for it and convinced the public that it made you crazy. Local, state and federal governments then ran with this idea and put out tons of propaghanda against marijuana. That's the start of prohibition as far as I know. Watch the movie Grass and you'll get a better idea.

Now, reason why I believe it should be legalized:

1. Basic rights. I do not believe it is the governments job to protect us from ourselves. I believe it is our choice what we chose to do and not to do with our own bodies.

2. Health Benefits. It has been proven by the American Medical Association that marijuana does have some medical purposes. Such as the slowing of cancer and glaucoma. It also can act as a very good pain reliever. My grandfather has glaucoma and it is horrible to see him in his condition, there is absolutely nothing the doctors can do for him to ease the pain. I want one of you people who think that it should remain illegal, to go and talk to people who are suffering from cancer and glaucoma. You will realize that there is no way to ease the pain they are in and that marijuana can and does help them.

3. Very few health risks. I'm not going to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, because there is. Probably the worst health related side effect is the inhalation of smoke into your lungs. This can easily be avoided by using a vaporizer or cooking it. It can be mixed with almost anything else without serious side effects. Unlike almost every other drug out there (alcohol, tylenol, caffiene, any prescription med such as vicodin or prozac). If you mix tylenol with alcohol, say bye bye to your liver. It is physically impossible to overdose on marijuana. It would take something like 50,000+ hits in a short amount of time to get to the LD-50 level (LD-50 is where the amount of a substance in a persons would be fatal to 50% of the population.) Since you would pass out from lack of oxygen long before this ever happens, it is impossible. It is not as addictive as most people make it out to be, studies have shown that it is no more addictive than caffiene. Nobody has EVER, EVER died directly from marijuana. Sure there have been idiots who have been high and gotten into car accidents, but that is not directly from marijuana.

4. It is not a gateway drug. This theory has been disproven sooo many times it shouldn't even be brought up anymore. Explain to me how caffiene, alcohol and tobacco are not gateway drugs then. I can assure you that almost everybody has done some type of drug before trying marijuana. Also it has been proven that people who start with marijuana and then move to harder drugs would have went to the harder drugs whether marijauna was there or not.

5. It can be used responsibly by responsible adults. Yes, MJ does demotivate you. Yes, it does make you lazy. But only if you let it. I have had several friends fail, drop out, get kicked out of school because they smoked way too much. But I also have friends that get 4.0's in school, never miss a class, good all-around people, and yet they smoked more than the other friends who failed. It is not the drug that causes the problems, it is the person using it.








I have alot more information to post, but I am at work right now and don't have the time. I wrote a paper on this subject just a couple months ago for my final in college, got an A on it. I will post that as soon as I get home. It will contain sources and links to all the facts I just posted.


If anyone has any valid arguments against its legalization please pm me so I can prove you wrong.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

fat people should ont have the right to eat cuz they do not need it.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

My point is that there is NO comparison at work here. People simply claim that because they are both drugs and both of their purposes is to mess you up that they should both be legal, simply on the basis that one is legal. This is faulty reasoning. Actually, the logical way to go would be to make both illegal since both cause more harm than good. I am not saying that we should do that. This is actually the reason why the reasoning is faulty...because you can use the same arguement to persuade someone to go either way. You could say that becauase one is legal, both should be legal. Or you could say that since one is legal and the other is illegal, both should be illegal. You get no where. You're right back where you started. That's why it's faulty. Both sides are using the same argument to make 2 completly opposite statements and both are perfectly valid. Fallacies were thought up to prevent this sort of thing because it becomes a huge mess (like we are in now). If you want further clarification, I can try to explain more.

We are on the same page - the law is not consistent, but it SHOULD be. There's no fallacy at all. It's something we both agree on.

The reason that I believe they all should be legal is because it is not the government's business to attempt to legislate stupidity. It is not the government's business to protect us from ourselves. It is not the government's business to attempt to control what consenting adults do within the confines of their homes.

I espouse the belief that the government should by default take a hands-off approach and interfere to the smallest extent possible. I agree that a degree of government regulation of marijuana, alcohol and tobacco is in order. I think that a flat-out ban on any or all of these products is the government going too far.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

His point is that instead of bitching about why cannabis is illegal, you should bitch that other drugs are legal.

Quite the contrary... I want them ALL to be legal, subject to appropriate regulation, of course.

XZeroII, apology accepted. However:

1. I see no logical fallacy in pointing out that one dangerous drug is legal while another similar but much less dangerous drug is illegal. I see no "logical fallacy" in pointing out that our laws contain hyprocrisy.

2. I have witnessed firsthand the benefit of medical marijuana use with a friend of mine who died from terminal cancer (non-Hodkins lymphoma). Do not tell me it has no benefits. I have seen, have you? OTOH, why are benefits required? What business is it of yours to decide what is beneficial to other people and what is not? What made you believe that you have that right and power? You don't.

3. Neither marijuana nor its effects kill anyone. No one has ever OD'ed, and there is no proof that it has ever even cause lung cancer in anyone from long term use. The possibility is there, I won't deny that, but the harm (if any) is something that the user does only to himself. Why you think that's a big deal, I have no idea. Ice cream is unhealthy too, and I don't see you rallying to have that outlawed. And pointing that out is not a "logical fallacy." I don't think you know what that phrase means...

1. I agree. Our laws makes no logical sense, however it doesn't make sense to make all drugs legal rather than illegal.
2. I tried to explain my resoning in the post below yours (the one I'm quoting now). I hope that clears things up.
3. Ice cream doesn't affect your mental state like marijuana does. The whole reason people want to legalize it is because of how it messes you up. This is dangerous. I though we were trying to create a cleaner, healthier tomorrow, not a more messed up tomorrow. I don't see the societal benefits to legalizing it. No one has ever given a societal benefit. They all give crappy whinny arguments. That was what I was trying to point out in my list. I want an actual benefit to letting people get high whenever they want (I'm not talking about medical use). If someone can tell me how that can help our society, then I will gladly change my views. However, I can't think of any. I wouldn't want someone to be toking up next to me on the freeway. I wouldn't want a doctor to take a long hit before operating on me. I see no benefits at all. All I see is car accidents and bi-polar (my dad has it and it's not fun at all) and kids sneaking into their parents "pot closet" to get high. Why plague the world with this stuff??? The world is a crappy enough place w/o police having to ask how many joints you've had or worrying how much the guy in the car behind you has been smoking. It's bad enough with alcohol. I don't want to have to listen to commericals on TV about Marijuana users anonymous or whatever. I guess I just have a different view of the world than most of you. I want to see a responsible world without disease and without worry and without problems. Legalizing marijuana is a step back. This is all just my oppinion and my point of view. I dream of a better world for all of us. I guess I'm the only one.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

First of all I would like to express how excited I am that I started a post that has gotten this long. There have been some great arguments. (and also some really stupid ones). It's been fun to read. Thanks.

Second off. XZeroll, your statement above makes no sense at all. Why shouldn't people have the right to smoke just to toke up. It is obvious that the majority of the people in the US and the World for that matter enjoy an altered state of mind from time to time. That is exactly why prohibition did not work. America is supposed to be a free country where the laws represent the wishes of the people. Yes they also stand to protect ourselves but you cannot make the argument that marijuana is dangerous to yourself or others. I could easily go get enough over the counter drugs to kill myself. (Alcohol would do the trick by itself) But there is no possible way I could OD on Pot. It's just not possible. The amount of THC required is way to high. There are a lot of things in the world that people "don't need" but that doesn't mean that we should be denied all of our wants. That would make a pretty boring world don't you think?

Thanks again for all the great posts guys. If we dont' talk about it then nothing is going to change.

 

[Jzero]

I don't see the societal benefits to legalizing it. No one has ever given a societal benefit. They all give crappy whinny arguments.

The societal benefit is a government which doesn't play mommy. It is responsible adults being able to make decisions on their own without the government making those decisions for them. It is responsible adults accepting and facing the consequences of the decisions they make instead of just assuming the government should always hold their hands.

I dream of a better world for all of us. I guess I'm the only one.

You're not the only one. As I said when Nik made the same lament - we disagree on what exactly constitutes a better world. A world where everything that could potentially be dangerous is illegal because we failed to instill the government we created with a sense of trust in us is outside my definition of a better world.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

His point is that instead of bitching about why cannabis is illegal, you should bitch that other drugs are legal.

Quite the contrary... I want them ALL to be legal, subject to appropriate regulation, of course.

XZeroII, apology accepted. However:

1. I see no logical fallacy in pointing out that one dangerous drug is legal while another similar but much less dangerous drug is illegal. I see no "logical fallacy" in pointing out that our laws contain hyprocrisy.

2. I have witnessed firsthand the benefit of medical marijuana use with a friend of mine who died from terminal cancer (non-Hodkins lymphoma). Do not tell me it has no benefits. I have seen, have you? OTOH, why are benefits required? What business is it of yours to decide what is beneficial to other people and what is not? What made you believe that you have that right and power? You don't.

3. Neither marijuana nor its effects kill anyone. No one has ever OD'ed, and there is no proof that it has ever even cause lung cancer in anyone from long term use. The possibility is there, I won't deny that, but the harm (if any) is something that the user does only to himself. Why you think that's a big deal, I have no idea. Ice cream is unhealthy too, and I don't see you rallying to have that outlawed. And pointing that out is not a "logical fallacy." I don't think you know what that phrase means...

1. I agree. Our laws makes no logical sense, however it doesn't make sense to make all drugs legal rather than illegal.
2. I tried to explain my resoning in the post below yours (the one I'm quoting now). I hope that clears things up.
3. Ice cream doesn't affect your mental state like marijuana does. The whole reason people want to legalize it is because of how it messes you up. This is dangerous. I though we were trying to create a cleaner, healthier tomorrow, not a more messed up tomorrow. I don't see the societal benefits to legalizing it. No one has ever given a societal benefit. They all give crappy whinny arguments. That was what I was trying to point out in my list. I want an actual benefit to letting people get high whenever they want (I'm not talking about medical use). If someone can tell me how that can help our society, then I will gladly change my views. However, I can't think of any. I wouldn't want someone to be toking up next to me on the freeway. I wouldn't want a doctor to take a long hit before operating on me. I see no benefits at all. All I see is car accidents and bi-polar (my dad has it and it's not fun at all) and kids sneaking into their parents "pot closet" to get high. Why plague the world with this stuff??? The world is a crappy enough place w/o police having to ask how many joints you've had or worrying how much the guy in the car behind you has been smoking. It's bad enough with alcohol. I don't want to have to listen to commericals on TV about Marijuana users anonymous or whatever. I guess I just have a different view of the world than most of you. I want to see a responsible world without disease and without worry and without problems. Legalizing marijuana is a step back. This is all just my oppinion and my point of view. I dream of a better world for all of us. I guess I'm the only one.

here is a societal benefit.........take the 30 billion a year in untaxed blackmarket weed sales and revamp our schools....cure a disease anything ............

another benefit.........not putting thousands upon thousands of non-violent drug offenders(our own families, friends everyone knows someone) locked up for insane amounts of time with viiolent offenders just to release them back into society angry and jaded..................

dude you are so narrow minded i wanna barf on myself

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

By your reasoning, people shouldn't be allowed to get drunk either, apparently. They don't need to get drunk, do they?

 

[gigapet]

you made the edit b4 i posted so no need

 

[Mickey21]

Quoted from Gigapet...
[/quote]dude you are so narrow minded i wanna barf on myself[/quote]

you smoked pot didnt you?


HEHEHEHEHEHE gawd this is funny...

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I want an actual benefit to letting people get high whenever they want (I'm not talking about medical use). If someone can tell me how that can help our society, then I will gladly change my views.

Because it makes you mellow. Because when people are high they laugh easily, and laughter is good for both your mind and body. (Burns calories too!) Because unlike alcohol when you get high enough that driving a car would be dangerous you typically forget what the word "car" means, not to mention that the only reason you'd want to go out would be to get munchies. On that topic, because hungry potheads buy more food, thusly stimulating our depressed economy. (Okay, that was a stretch) Because it is primarily a social drug, i.e. you do it with others. Because it will be something people would preffer to use instead of alcohol, which unlike marijuana can lead a person to become violent, angry and/or abusive if they have that particular psyche. (Marijuana mellowing people is a near-universal effect. You never hear about any "angry stoners" unless they've been lacing it with PCP)

All in all I'd say those are some good benifits. A lot more than I think you could find for alcohol.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Mickey21

dude you are so narrow minded i wanna barf on myself[/quote]

you smoked pot didnt you?


HEHEHEHEHEHE gawd this is funny...[/quote]

NO NEVER! I OBEY EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: bittersweet81

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Actually a reputable doctor will tell you that marijuana has been proven to reduce fluid pressure in the eyes. (This is why stoners always have bloodshot eyes) For people who have glaucoma -- which is caused by swelling of the eyes -- marijuana helps immensely. On top of that is it about the best substance to counteract nausea out there. (This is why potheads get the munchies) Ask anybody who's ever gone through Chemotherapy how fun it is to throw up for about 12 hours straight.

I'm sorry, but I was not clear. I am talking about people who are using marijuana to get high. I know that there are medical uses out there, but you are not looking at the context of which I'm speaking. I'm saying that people should not have the right to just "toke up" for the sole purpose of getting high. Those people do not need it. I specifically mentioned smoking it because the medical uses can be given in other forms that does not involve smoking. I'm sorry for the confusion.

First of all I would like to express how excited I am that I started a post that has gotten this long. There have been some great arguments. (and also some really stupid ones). It's been fun to read. Thanks.

Second off. XZeroll, your statement above makes no sense at all. Why shouldn't people have the right to smoke just to toke up. It is obvious that the majority of the people in the US and the World for that matter enjoy an altered state of mind from time to time. That is exactly why prohibition did not work. America is supposed to be a free country where the laws represent the wishes of the people. Yes they also stand to protect ourselves but you cannot make the argument that marijuana is dangerous to yourself or others. I could easily go get enough over the counter drugs to kill myself. (Alcohol would do the trick by itself) But there is no possible way I could OD on Pot. It's just not possible. The amount of THC required is way to high. There are a lot of things in the world that people "don't need" but that doesn't mean that we should be denied all of our wants. That would make a pretty boring world don't you think?

Thanks again for all the great posts guys. If we dont' talk about it then nothing is going to change.

AMEN. Thank you for summing this up. The government needs to step back and let us enjoy the right to an altered state of mind. If we're not hurting anyone else by doing so, then where is the harm in that?

It is virtually impossible to kill yourself by smoking pot, whereas there are numerous documented cases of people dying from drinking too much or from an effect brought on by drinking too much. Not to mention, half the OTC drugs I could buy would most likely kill me or screw up my liver and kidneys if I took too many of them at once. The most pot is going to do is make you pass out and dull your senses a little.

There have been days where I sat around and smoked large amounts of very potent pot ALL DAY, with no ill effects other than being pretty tired at the end of the day and not being as sharp as I normally am. If I had been doing this with alcohol, I probably would have landed myself in the emergency room with a nice case of alcohol poisoning.

 

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Pharmaceutical industry is scared to death it may replace much of their psychotropics. They lobby hard to keep it illegal and would like to ramp up the penaltites...