Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli
XZeroII: WTF? I've always thought you had half a brain.

Where do you come off spouting your sh!t? Logical fallacy? Huh? Where is the fallacy in comparing alcohol to cannabis? They're both drugs. They both serve no purpose other than to fsck you up... ?????? Explain yourself.

His point is that instead of bitching about why cannabis is illegal, you should bitch that other drugs are legal.

Quite the contrary... I want them ALL to be legal, subject to appropriate regulation, of course.

XZeroII, apology accepted. However:

1. I see no logical fallacy in pointing out that one dangerous drug is legal while another similar but much less dangerous drug is illegal. I see no "logical fallacy" in pointing out that our laws contain hyprocrisy.

2. I have witnessed firsthand the benefit of medical marijuana use with a friend of mine who died from terminal cancer (non-Hodkins lymphoma). Do not tell me it has no benefits. I have seen, have you? OTOH, why are benefits required? What business is it of yours to decide what is beneficial to other people and what is not? What made you believe that you have that right and power? You don't.

3. Neither marijuana nor its effects kill anyone. No one has ever OD'ed, and there is no proof that it has ever even cause lung cancer in anyone from long term use. The possibility is there, I won't deny that, but the harm (if any) is something that the user does only to himself. Why you think that's a big deal, I have no idea. Ice cream is unhealthy too, and I don't see you rallying to have that outlawed. And pointing that out is not a "logical fallacy." I don't think you know what that phrase means...

1. I agree. Our laws makes no logical sense, however it doesn't make sense to make all drugs legal rather than illegal.
2. I tried to explain my resoning in the post below yours (the one I'm quoting now). I hope that clears things up.
3. Ice cream doesn't affect your mental state like marijuana does. The whole reason people want to legalize it is because of how it messes you up. This is dangerous. I though we were trying to create a cleaner, healthier tomorrow, not a more messed up tomorrow. I don't see the societal benefits to legalizing it. No one has ever given a societal benefit. They all give crappy whinny arguments. That was what I was trying to point out in my list. I want an actual benefit to letting people get high whenever they want (I'm not talking about medical use). If someone can tell me how that can help our society, then I will gladly change my views. However, I can't think of any. I wouldn't want someone to be toking up next to me on the freeway. I wouldn't want a doctor to take a long hit before operating on me. I see no benefits at all. All I see is car accidents and bi-polar (my dad has it and it's not fun at all) and kids sneaking into their parents "pot closet" to get high. Why plague the world with this stuff??? The world is a crappy enough place w/o police having to ask how many joints you've had or worrying how much the guy in the car behind you has been smoking. It's bad enough with alcohol. I don't want to have to listen to commericals on TV about Marijuana users anonymous or whatever. I guess I just have a different view of the world than most of you. I want to see a responsible world without disease and without worry and without problems. Legalizing marijuana is a step back. This is all just my oppinion and my point of view. I dream of a better world for all of us. I guess I'm the only one.

here is a societal benefit.........take the 30 billion a year in untaxed blackmarket weed sales and revamp our schools....cure a disease anything ............

another benefit.........not putting thousands upon thousands of non-violent drug offenders(our own families, friends everyone knows someone) locked up for insane amounts of time with viiolent offenders just to release them back into society angry and jaded..................

dude you are so narrow minded i wanna barf on myself

Man you are so right on. So much money is wasted into the War Against Drugs. Just thinking about all the things that the money would be better spent on makes me sick. Half of the classes at the College I go to are getting canceled due to lack of funding. Money would be freed up everywhere. Crime goes down. Ok I'm just repeating what you said but yep you got it right. Preach on brother!

 

[XZeroII]

No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

you must not be reading my posts:

General Argument:

consistentcy in the law is what is important. If they are going to ristrict our rights they should do it across the board without discrimination. If they are going to ban things that are "bad" they should ban all things that are bad otherwise it sends mixed messages and creates this argument we are having right now.


BENEFITS IF IT were to be made legal:

here is a societal benefit.........take the 30 billion a year in untaxed blackmarket weed sales and revamp our schools....cure a disease anything ............

another benefit.........not putting thousands upon thousands of non-violent drug offenders(our own families, friends everyone knows someone) locked up for insane amounts of time with viiolent offenders just to release them back into society angry and jaded..................


EDIT: XZEROII ............what do u do in your free time at home?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

When all else fails, back to the old ad hominem that we're all stoners, eh?
You want my good reasons, read the whole damn thread, not just the part from where you came in.
And yes, you are narrow-minded. Read your own posts.
In the meantime, can I suggest Matthew 7:1-5 for your reading enlightenment?

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

Hey man, I responded to your request for benefits. Not my fault if you didn't read it.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

Oh please. Poor poor XZeroII here, getting torn apart by the "stoner crybabies". You posted a bunch of crap that is NOT true, such as the fact that marijuana is legal in Canada and Europe. Check your facts and don't come off as a tight-ass moralizing nimrod, then we'll talk. I made some valid points, but of course I'm just being "narrow-minded", right. Give me a break. It appears that Jzero is the only one who DOESN'T smoke pot, so of course he's the only one who has a valid point in your mind, apparently. You're being shot down by everyone because you're WRONG on most of your points and you pretty much pass everyone else's opinions off as "stoner crybaby" babble.

Also, you're one to talk about people being narrow-minded. You've pretty much dismissed everyone who didn't agree with you as a "stoner" and refused to acknowledge that we have good points and correct information.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: XZeroII
No more arguing. You people pick apart my posts and try to find the one weakness and blow it out of proportion and such. I have admitted when someone proves me wrong or when I make a mistake, but none of you do. You all just attack me relentlessly and rehash the same crap over and over again. I have said on many occasions that I am looking for a good argument, but all I get is the same stupid stuff about alcohol and how this stuff relaxes you. I am NOT narrowminded. You people are. You people are so narrow-minded that you will not even listen to a word I say. I have listened to you, and admitted when I was wrong. You are so caught up in your greed to be able to get high that you will not listen to anyone who has a differing view. I only saw a couple of people here who actually took the time to write out some decent arguments (jzero, I think was one). I would like to respond to you, but I will just get attacked for some odd reason and the whole gist of what I was trying to say will be lost.

you must not be reading my posts:

General Argument:

consistentcy in the law is what is important. If they are going to ristrict our rights they should do it across the board without discrimination. If they are going to ban things that are "bad" they should ban all things that are bad otherwise it sends mixed messages and creates this argument we are having right now.


BENEFITS IF IT were to be made legal:

here is a societal benefit.........take the 30 billion a year in untaxed blackmarket weed sales and revamp our schools....cure a disease anything ............

another benefit.........not putting thousands upon thousands of non-violent drug offenders(our own families, friends everyone knows someone) locked up for insane amounts of time with viiolent offenders just to release them back into society angry and jaded..................


EDIT: XZEROII ............what do u do in your free time at home?

Yep. he must have missed that one. Was just about to repost it. OH well, I like it so much I'll do it again.

 

[imported_Papi]

You people make me want to smoke a joint. Has anyone mentioned weed as a gateway drug yet? I like to watch those arguments, they are fun.

I'll be over in the crack thread if anyone wants me, maybe we can do up a cocoblunt?

 

[Regs]

It was first made illegal in the early 1900's because of a mexican immigrant worker raped and killed some girl in Santa Fe I believe.

Down with immigration and up with Weed!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gigapet
XZeroII,

you were owned 4 posts in a row by cry baby stoners how does that make you feel.

Makes me feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. They cling to their logical fallacies like flies to dung. I point out that they are using logical fallacies in their arguements so what do they do??? They use more fallacies to justify their previous ones!!! And they defend their use of fallacies! Oh well. What are you going to do?

I can't see the fallacies you see, but it is because I can't see your point of view. My head doesn't fit in my ass like yours does.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gigapet
XZeroII,

you were owned 4 posts in a row by cry baby stoners how does that make you feel.

Makes me feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. They cling to their logical fallacies like flies to dung. I point out that they are using logical fallacies in their arguements so what do they do??? They use more fallacies to justify their previous ones!!! And they defend their use of fallacies! Oh well. What are you going to do?

I can't see the fallacies you see, but it is because I can't see your point of view. My head doesn't fit in my ass like yours does.

ah yes......millenium ..............the voice of reason.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gigapet
XZeroII,

you were owned 4 posts in a row by cry baby stoners how does that make you feel.

Makes me feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. They cling to their logical fallacies like flies to dung. I point out that they are using logical fallacies in their arguements so what do they do??? They use more fallacies to justify their previous ones!!! And they defend their use of fallacies! Oh well. What are you going to do?

I can't see the fallacies you see, but it is because I can't see your point of view. My head doesn't fit in my ass like yours does.

LOL Thats funny stuff...and I'm not even high right now.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Also: I've never met anyone who has decayed into an idiot because of alcohol (obviously theres alcohol addiction, drinking/driving etc.) But my solid argument against pot is that it makes you retarded.

Sigh.. more propaganda.

Marijuana does not cause brain damage

Again

Another article?

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Also: I've never met anyone who has decayed into an idiot because of alcohol (obviously theres alcohol addiction, drinking/driving etc.) But my solid argument against pot is that it makes you retarded.

Long Term Effect's of Alcohol

oh no? How about a person that is pretty much walking dead, waiting to die? NERVOUS SYSTEM

Tingling and loss of sensation in hands and feet

MUSCLES

Weakness

Loss of muscle tissue

LUNGS

Greater chance of chest infections

LIVER

Liver damage including cirrhosis hepatitis and increased risk of liver cancer

PANCREAS

Pancreatitis

SEXUAL ORGANS

Male:

Impotence and decreased sperm count

Female:

Irregular periods and reproductive problems



BRAIN

Brain cell damage

Loss of memory

Confusion

Disturbed sleep patters

BREAST

Increased risk of Breast Cancer

HEART

High Blood Pressure

Enlarged heart

SKIN

Red nose and cheeks

Increased perspiration

STOMACH

Inflammation

Bleeding

Ulcers

INTESTINES

Inflamed lining

Ulcers

BLOOD

Changes in red blood cells

HANDS AND FEET

Pins and needles and loss of sensation

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Also: I've never met anyone who has decayed into an idiot because of alcohol (obviously theres alcohol addiction, drinking/driving etc.) But my solid argument against pot is that it makes you retarded.

Long Term Effect's of Alcohol

oh no? How about a person that is pretty much walking dead, waiting to die?

Look at that link. The only reason alcohol doesn't make you retarded is because the liver problems it causes kill you before you get that far.

 

[Blain]

"Why is Marijuana Illegal"

You should call 800-532-0052 and ask speak with Ken Carter about your concerns.
If he can't help you, try calling 273-8614. I'm sure they can probably answer your question.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Well, based on that reasoning, guns, cars, ALL drugs, walking, showering, fast food, etc...should all be illegal.

amish

If you can prove that there are more negative consequences than there are positive consequences, I might agree with you no matter what the topic.

OK, here. We'll use the shower as an example, Mr. Logic King.

Pro: You get clean in it

Cons: You can slip and fall
You can drown in it if you have a shower/bathtub with the drain closed.
It uses a lot of water.
Some people choose not to use a shower or bath, anyway.
It requires money, plumbing, and professionals to install and run it.

You want me to give you the same breakdown for GUNS or CARS, for fvck's sake? I'm sure we can find a lot more negative reasons than positive reasons for having those two things in society. Give it up. Everything has a bad side to it. Even WATER can kill you if you drink too much of it.

If you don't want to face the fact that marijuana DOES have benefits beyond getting people high and is not a tool of the Devil, feel free to remain deluded.

yes, but marajuana is much more harmful when speaking of the degree of harm done. sure, everything has risk, even using a pencil. but the chance and damage of the pencil causing harm is much less than smoking pot.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: Blain
"Why is Marijuana Illegal"

You should call 800-532-0052 and ask speak with Ken Carter about your concerns.
If he can't help you, try calling 273-8614. I'm sure they can probably answer your question.

LOL...yeah I could do that. Maybe I'll just drive down and ask em.
Actaully I doubt they could give me a legit answer anyway. Other than the fact that it keeps the money rolling in for them.

If legalizing marijuana means budget cuts then it must be bad right?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Well, based on that reasoning, guns, cars, ALL drugs, walking, showering, fast food, etc...should all be illegal.

amish

If you can prove that there are more negative consequences than there are positive consequences, I might agree with you no matter what the topic.

OK, here. We'll use the shower as an example, Mr. Logic King.

Pro: You get clean in it

Cons: You can slip and fall
You can drown in it if you have a shower/bathtub with the drain closed.
It uses a lot of water.
Some people choose not to use a shower or bath, anyway.
It requires money, plumbing, and professionals to install and run it.

You want me to give you the same breakdown for GUNS or CARS, for fvck's sake? I'm sure we can find a lot more negative reasons than positive reasons for having those two things in society. Give it up. Everything has a bad side to it. Even WATER can kill you if you drink too much of it.

If you don't want to face the fact that marijuana DOES have benefits beyond getting people high and is not a tool of the Devil, feel free to remain deluded.

yes, but marajuana is much more harmful when speaking of the degree of harm done. sure, everything has risk, even using a pencil. but the chance and damage of the pencil causing harm is much less than smoking pot.

<beating dead horse>

Your point is well taken. BUT, the issue under debate there is that the government should not be in charge of trying to protect us from ourselves. Everything in the world has a risk, and some things have more risk than others.

Everything can be used for a good or a bad purpose. Your pencil can be used to write a best-selling novel, or it can be driven straight into your eye, for example. The same principle applies to marijuana as well.

</beating dead horse>

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Well, based on that reasoning, guns, cars, ALL drugs, walking, showering, fast food, etc...should all be illegal.

amish

If you can prove that there are more negative consequences than there are positive consequences, I might agree with you no matter what the topic.

OK, here. We'll use the shower as an example, Mr. Logic King.

Pro: You get clean in it

Cons: You can slip and fall
You can drown in it if you have a shower/bathtub with the drain closed.
It uses a lot of water.
Some people choose not to use a shower or bath, anyway.
It requires money, plumbing, and professionals to install and run it.

You want me to give you the same breakdown for GUNS or CARS, for fvck's sake? I'm sure we can find a lot more negative reasons than positive reasons for having those two things in society. Give it up. Everything has a bad side to it. Even WATER can kill you if you drink too much of it.

If you don't want to face the fact that marijuana DOES have benefits beyond getting people high and is not a tool of the Devil, feel free to remain deluded.

yes, but marajuana is much more harmful when speaking of the degree of harm done. sure, everything has risk, even using a pencil. but the chance and damage of the pencil causing harm is much less than smoking pot.

Just out of curiousity could you please explain why the degree of harm done from marijuana is more compared to currently legal substances. (I'm not arguing that it is good for you) I think you'll find that marijuana is relatively not harmfull compared to what society has considered acceptable in other instances.

 

[bigshot]

marijuana should not be illegal especially when alcohol and cigs are. I was watchin COPS some time ago and they were doing these drug busts with undercover cops. They would sell 1 - 2 grams of weed to these people and the next thing you know...they got their guns out tellin the guy to get to the floor. The US is soo backwards in today's world is that you might even get shot or put in jail for simple possession of a gram or two.

Living in Canada is great cause you can go burn in front of paraliament or in front of police stations and the cops do nothing!!! And if they even catch you...they tell you to put it out or maybe give you a quick fine...no guns pulled out, no jail, no criminal record so its much better. The way marijuana is dealt with in Canada should be the norm for the rest of the world with australia, belgium, switerland, britian, portugal, and the netherlands have already done.

The US is far behind other countries in terms of drug policy...the war on drugs doesnt work..it shows over the past 15 odd years...harsh sentences on weed and other minor drugs is ridicilous..i heard of a case that a guy had 1 ounce of weed and went to jail for 9 YEARS!!!!! 1 ounce --> 9 YEARS at a maximum security prison...when you got 3 quaters of the jail population in jail for doing drugs and harming no one but themselves is quite crazy.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: bigshot
marijuana should not be illegal especially when alcohol and cigs are. I was watchin COPS some time ago and they were doing these drug busts with undercover cops. They would sell 1 - 2 grams of weed to these people and the next thing you know...they got their guns out tellin the guy to get to the floor. The US is soo backwards in today's world is that you might even get shot or put in jail for simple possession of a gram or two.

Living in Canada is great cause you can go burn in front of paraliament or in front of police stations and the cops do nothing!!! And if they even catch you...they tell you to put it out or maybe give you a quick fine...no guns pulled out, no jail, no criminal record so its much better. The way marijuana is dealt with in Canada should be the norm for the rest of the world with australia, belgium, switerland, britian, portugal, and the netherlands have already done.

The US is far behind other countries in terms of drug policy...the war on drugs doesnt work..it shows over the past 15 odd years...harsh sentences on weed and other minor drugs is ridicilous..i heard of a case that a guy had 1 ounce of weed and went to jail for 9 YEARS!!!!! 1 ounce --> 9 YEARS at a maximum security prison...when you got 3 quaters of the jail population in jail for doing drugs and harming no one but themselves is quite crazy.

Makes me want to move to Canada. Yeah 9 years for 1 ounce? Major overkill. Also look what that costs taxpayers to put all these people in prison.

 

[Eli]

I think this could possibly be the best thread on this subject we've ever had.

Anyway, as for XZeroII's argument.. I don't believe in that at all. Humans have always saught ways to alter their conciousness. There is nothing new about that, and there is no way to prevent it.

Instead of making the drugs illegal, we need to educate people about them and let them decide for themselves. I really think that's the key.

The government has no right to tell me what I can and cannot do as long as I am not hurting anybody else. Since they seem to think they have this right, I will say.. free country my ass.

 

[imported_Papi]

Cannabis Vs. Alcohol

 

[rpberry123]

makes me want to watch 'reefer madness' again.....