Why is my CPU dropping to 1.6ghz even though high perf mode is enabled?

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Dufus

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It is not supposed to do this.

this is why in High performance mode when you go to advanced settings, it shows

Min Process State 100%
Max Process State 100%

In High Performance Mode the CPU should be running at its full clockspeed 100% of the time
No. While the CPU is operating C-States greater than C0 the clock will be stopped and not running at all. Higher than C1 and power saving measures will be taken. When the CPU is woken it is at the LFM and it takes time for the voltage to ramp up before it can switch to the higher clocks. So if CPU-z polls the CPU while in the higher C-State then it reads the LFM before the clock has increased. Latency can be reduced with fixed voltage.

Try this for W7. Open an admin cmd box and enter the following 2 lines.

Code:
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_max sub_processor 5d76a2ca-e8c0-402f-a133-2158492d58ad 1
powercfg -s scheme_max
You can cut and paste to make it easier. This will disable all C-States including C1 (not the same as C1E) so expect high idle temps. Your clocks at idle workload should be maximum 100% unless you have changed the Windows high performance power plan minimum processor state from 100%. To go back to standard enter the 2 commands again but change the 1 to a 0.

If while in this state with heavy load your clocks are dropping to 16x then it is most likely Bi-Directional PROCHOT that is causing it.
 

Ketchup

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Maybe try onboard video? With some of your previous posts, I still think your motherboard may be dying.
 

crashtech

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No. While the CPU is operating C-States greater than C0 the clock will be stopped and not running at all. Higher than C1 and power saving measures will be taken. When the CPU is woken it is at the LFM and it takes time for the voltage to ramp up before it can switch to the higher clocks. So if CPU-z polls the CPU while in the higher C-State then it reads the LFM before the clock has increased. Latency can be reduced with fixed voltage.

Try this for W7. Open an admin cmd box and enter the following 2 lines.

Code:
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_max sub_processor 5d76a2ca-e8c0-402f-a133-2158492d58ad 1
powercfg -s scheme_max
You can cut and paste to make it easier. This will disable all C-States including C1 (not the same as C1E) so expect high idle temps. Your clocks at idle workload should be maximum 100% unless you have changed the Windows high performance power plan minimum processor state from 100%. To go back to standard enter the 2 commands again but change the 1 to a 0.

If while in this state with heavy load your clocks are dropping to 16x then it is most likely Bi-Directional PROCHOT that is causing it.

Would appreciate any elaboration and links for further study if you can provide them.
 

john3850

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ASRock Z77 Pro4 is a z77 board and the 2500k was for a z68 and would only work with a bios upgrade.
 

futurefields

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yeah I think so too. but, i have to go to sleep now. work in the morning. really appreciate all your guys help/ideas/interest. just a bit bummed about this rig which I was hoping to last until 2017 now it's gonna need a rebuild with a new motherboard/cpu most likely. newegg and amazon don't have any new z68/z77 boards from what I can see.

cheers,
 

Ketchup

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ASRock Z77 Pro4 is a z77 board and the 2500k was for a z68 and would only work with a bios upgrade.

This board supported his chip from first release. You can see it on their website. I think you are thinking of this in reverse.
 

futurefields

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ASRock Z77 Pro4 is a z77 board and the 2500k was for a z68 and would only work with a bios upgrade.

They are fully compatible. I've been running this board for 2+ years with no issues until about a month ago things started getting kind of weird.

Z77 and Sandy Bridge are fully compatible out of the box.
 

unclewebb

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Well guys my CPU is still throttling down to 1.6ghz even with SpeedStep and C1E disabled.

No surprise. You need to disable BD PROCHOT and the easiest way to do this is with ThrottleStop. If the link I posted to version 7 scares you then head over to TechPowerUp and download version 6. I have seen this problem before. If a CPU is not thermal throttling then the only reason it is dropping down and using the minimum multiplier (16) and running at 1600 MHz is because you have BD PROCHOT enabled.

An unlocked bios will often times have this feature available. If your bios does not have this feature then use ThrottleStop.
 

Burpo

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ok running Prime95 CPU-Z locks at 4ghz

This is all that matters. The OP has strung everyone along on this fairy-tail journey, but the above post is the bottom line.. You can continue to feed the ops need for attention or realize it's been over for quite some time. Approx. 160 posts ago.. :/

I saw thru it long ago, but getting op to admit the above was exasperating. I'm done playing.. good luck to the rest of you.

Set_Ignore=Futurefields
 
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crashtech

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Is the contention that the BD PROCHOT feature is sending false positives? Because thermal throttling should not occur unless the CPU gets into a critical range which I thought was 98°C for the 2500K.
 

crashtech

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This is all that matters. The OP has strung everyone along on this fairy-tail journey, but the above post is the bottom line.. You can continue to feed the ops need for attention or realize it's been over for quite some time. Approx. 160 posts ago.. :/

I'm done playing the game.. good luck to the rest of you.
That might be a bit harsh. The issue the OP raises is whether throttling is normal when "High Performance" is selected, and I have shown that in at least one case (mine) that it may not be. The only machines I have seen this be a problem on are laptops. I didn't think this was a typical desktop problem, tbh.
 

futurefields

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This is all that matters. The OP has strung everyone along on this fairy-tail journey, but the above post is the bottom line.. You can continue to feed the ops need for attention or realize it's been over for quite some time. Approx. 160 posts ago.. :/

I saw thru it long ago, but getting op to admit the above was exasperating. I'm done playing.. good luck to the rest of you.

Set_Ignore=Futurefields



What on earth are you talking about?
 

Dufus

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Is the contention that the BD PROCHOT feature is sending false positives? Because thermal throttling should not occur unless the CPU gets into a critical range which I thought was 98°C for the 2500K.
BD PROCHOTis bi-directional, that is if enabled an external component can set BD-PROCHOT to lower the CPU to the LFM to reduce power. For instance if the VRM was in dire straights with the load demanded it can trigger this pin as long as it needs to reduce the load as a safety measure.

Disabling the C-States in the BIOS should normally fix the OP's problem. By using Windows to disable them we can be pretty much assured they will be. From there the OP can check if clocks are dropping on load. IMO either a p-state problem or BD-PROCHOT. Seems however more problems have been introduced without any fix to the original problem IOW the OP's system is now FUBAR.
 
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BSim500

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ok running Prime95 CPU-Z locks at 4ghz.

Well guys my CPU is still throttling down to 1.6ghz even with SpeedStep and C1E disabled.
Hang on, are you saying that loading the CPU now runs it at normal load multiplier, and that it now only downclocks to 1.6GHz when idle? If so then there really is no problem as that's how most people run their systems and what they're designed to do?...

Does it still underclock to 1.6Ghz under constant load say Prime or x264 encoding or did reinstalling Windows fix it?

Did you try the Throttlestop / BD PROCHOT thing? The last time I saw that working for someone was when their motherboard CPU temp sensor (on the motherboard itself under the CPU socket, not the Intel one internal to the CPU) developed a fault and the motherboard falsely believed the CPU's temp to be higher than it actually was. What do the temp readings in HWMonitor show if / when your CPU is 1.6GHz under load (the ones listed under your motherboard hierarchy along with "Systemp", etc, not the CPU)?
 

futurefields

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Shot showing EIST set to AUTO:



Shot showing CPU basically idle, but holding at 4.4GHz because power profile is set to "High Performance," also shown. No tricks, no fancy software, just things behaving as they should:






Notice how Crashtec's is running at max clock speed even when idle? ^

THat's how the CPU is supposed to operate when High Performance Mode is enabled.

Mine is still dropping to 1.6ghz with High Performance Mode enabled.
 

futurefields

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Got it running. Any advice on how to set it up?

BTW my PC is still booting up weird. Sometimes it starts to boot up and then powers down, and then reboots itself and starts normally.
 

BSim500

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Notice how Crashtec's is running at max clock speed even when idle? ^

THat's how the CPU is supposed to operate when High Performance Mode is enabled.

Mine is still dropping to 1.6ghz with High Performance Mode enabled.
I understand you're annoyed that you can't seem to be able to force 4GHz when idle, but is it still actually affecting performance / games / benchmarks under load, ie, does it throttle down to 1.6GHz under an actual load (you said earlier it was "locked to 4GHz under Prime")? If it's now dropping to 1.6GHz only when you're not doing anything, ie, it's doing nothing more than forcing Speedstep on even on High Perf preset (as if it were on Balanced), I really don't see what the problem is with down-clocking when idle which is what the CPU is designed to do by default.
 

john3850

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I would just make a complete new power plan reboot and try it.
When ever I run asrock extreme tunning utility it changes the power performance to a asrock profile.
Ran a program once to unpark all my cores instead it disabled all my HT cores and changed the registry.
 
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