why is nitrous considered 'fake' speed?

[BooneRebel]

If all you care about is performance, buy a motorcycle.

For under 10 grand you can buy a Honda RC51. 0-60mph in 2.9sec, 1/4 mile in 10.83 and still gets 33mpg. It's not the fastest out there but for smiles per dollar it's one of the best values.

 

[Mill]

<< You said earlier " a solidly built motor and transmission will NOT break things over and over" I replied that yes they will.

No, they won't. If they do they are not solidly built. How are you even in a position to know? You have zero experience.

Z06 clutches are better, no doubt. But better, is not the same as "not crap," which the stock clutch is not. The stock tires however...

"It is good. I never compared my times to any LS1 or LT1 like you are trying to do. For a *stock* 2000 GT auto that is a good time."

The point is that even your good time is not that fast. You talk like you are the uber racer and the best you've run is a fast civic time. I was pointing out that your fastest time is still a lot slower than what 10,000 crappy drivers could do in other stock cars. Aka: its relative.

" Why does it matter if I have no grease under my nails? I don't build engines or transmissions. I am assuming that remark meant that you do"

Its means that you should drop your haughty, defensive attitude and not berate a lot of other posters on this thread b/c that is NOT your area of expertise, but you act like it is. In reality you are just dishing out cash to people who have that expertise. Myself, I do not have that much expertise, but when I had my 1/4 car I did the work myself.

"How about you post a time slip so I can see what you(the master of all mod motor knowledge) runs.

BTW, where can I get a 2003 Camaro or Firebird?

Whoops I can't. Not enough were sold. Even though "tens of thousands vettes and camaro's do"

Kind of sad my little 4.6 CAN and WILL take on the Old F-body and the nonexistant new ones."

I never claimed to be the master of all motor knowledge, I just know that you are not I don't get the point of laughing about Camaro's or Firebirds being discontinued. If you were really into muscle cars I would think you would like the competition, and the LS1's were more than worthy. Just look at the kinda $ you had to put into your car to get in the 12's and below. BTW: your "little" 4.6 is physically larger than an LS1.

Thomas



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My little 4.6 does not have a larger displacement although it may weigh more. I can't remember how my a 2V weighs.

"Its means that you should drop your haughty, defensive attitude and not berate a lot of other posters on this thread b/c that is NOT your area of expertise, but you act like it is. In reality you are just dishing out cash to people who have that expertise. Myself, I do not have that much expertise, but when I had my 1/4 car I did the work myself. "

I never said anything was my expertise. I am tired of people saying nitrous is worse than a supercharger or a turbo because they had a friend of a friend who is a mechanic who saw another mechanic buddy blow an engine on nitrous. I do have knowledge on nitrous and lot of these people were making blanket statements about something they know nothing about. I also know about 2V's because I follow them closely. Sure I am "dishing out" cash to Sean Hyland. He is the best in the business. Lots of mod motor racers swear by him. Go look up Dave King on the corral.

"The point is that even your good time is not that fast. You talk like you are the uber racer and the best you've run is a fast civic time. I was pointing out that your fastest time is still a lot slower than what 10,000 crappy drivers could do in other stock cars. Aka: its relative."

I don't talk like an uber racer but I do know what I am talking about. I have been racing my car since I was 16. I didn't start modding it until 9 months ago. I will continue to race it and gain even more skill than I have.

"Z06 clutches are better, no doubt. But better, is not the same as "not crap," which the stock clutch is not. The stock tires however..."

Do you own a M6 F-body. My friend does. I have driven it. I hate the clutch he hates the clutch. He bought a z06 clutch. Most if not all people hate the stock clutch because it is a piece of crap. The z06 is a much better unit and is what GM should have put in it to begin with.


"I never claimed to be the master of all motor knowledge, I just know that you are not I don't get the point of laughing about Camaro's or Firebirds being discontinued. If you were really into muscle cars I would think you would like the competition, and the LS1's were more than worthy."

I never claimed to be a master. I speak from my experience I have had with my mod motor. I speak from what my friend's 98 GT with a 2000GT motor with nitrous has done. You have no knowledge of mod motors. I do like LS1's one of the best engines ever. Better than the 2V in my opinion. You are the one that said I put 70k into a *gasp* *mustang* *gasp*. It is what I like. You like LS1s good for you. I do too. Yes the LS1 was great competion for the mustang. It does suck that it is gone. The GTO will give plenty of competion to the Mustang GT and the c5-c6 will give plenty of competition to the cobra. I am sorry that the car you like is gone. It sucks BUT I CANNOT CHANGE it. You can PMS about it all you want.

We can go on and on and on about this. I just want you to post something that I said that are not technically valid regarding a 2V and nitrous. If I have please post it and I will say I am wrong. Otherwise what is the point of debating the words we are typing?

Edit the GT will be around a long time. It is still a very good seller for Ford. The cobra will disappear before the GT.

 

[chickendinner]

<< If all you care about is performance, buy a motorcycle >>


thats the route i went; i get high nines in the 1/4 mile. and it cost me just over 11k out the door. im too pussy to nos it tho. if any thing ill get a turbo and boost it to 300HP for $1500.

 

[UThomas]

Ha ha, no, I don't have a love affair with F-bodys. I think I only used them as an example of a car that is faster stock. Sorry if you misunderstood the point. And the z06 clutch is a much better unit. Of course the Z06 magnesium rims are better too but hey, gotta have a budget.

To get more on topic, let me ask you this: Do you think your stock tranmission would have made more than a couple runs on say... a 6-9 psi supercharger? For your transmission to go on a 125 shot is pretty bad I think and points towards what a lot of people were saying as far as nitrous and messing up engines/transmissions.

Thomas

 

[Ramses]

The profit margin is better on GT's than other mustangs, but 3/4 of sales are made up by v6's unfourtunatly. It's been more or less that way for awhile. I think 89 or so they actully sold about as many V8 cars as base models, which was unusual. All mustang sales are behind the tarus and focus. What does that say from a financal point of view? The new body and motor sparked a new interist by the public, but that will only last so long, the demise of the f-body will help some also, but f-body sales have almost always been way behind the stang. I dont think things look that good. Remember that despite how popular they are, the great majority of new vehicle buying people do not race and mod there cars significantly. That also accounts for the "crappy" clutch in the z28, it may be crappy, but the cost to satisfy a relativly small portion of the public just isnt worth it. Just like the airbox on the f-body's, all those silenceng baffels, they make it more quiet and nice to drive, "regular" people like that.


Even running 10's, the fox body guys are gonna give you fits for way less money..

 

[cwjefferys]

Millenium: you said all ricers are lame, im no ricer but in your signiture you puta 531 kit on your mustang? talk about ricers.

 

[Monel Funkawitz]

Most of you guys are so slang retarded, it is unreal.

The skill of Hot Rodding is taking a plain Jane slow car, and making it fast and mean as hell. Whither it is a 69 Camaro, 71 'Cuda, 98 'Stang, 99 Civic... it does not matter. You break rules. You do whatever you can to go faster, at all costs... that is the only rule. A tricked out Accord is just as bad as a tricked out Plimmy Duster.

It doesnâ??t matter what you do it in, it is how you do it.

 

[Monel Funkawitz]

BTW, nitrous isn't cheating, as long as the person knows in advance. If you race, you do kinda want somewhat even odds.

 

[LAUST]

<< If all you care about is performance, buy a motorcycle.

For under 10 grand you can buy a Honda RC51. 0-60mph in 2.9sec, 1/4 mile in 10.83 and still gets 33mpg. It's not the fastest out there but for smiles per dollar it's one of the best values. >>


There is no denying Bikes are the king, but then functionality also comes into place.. 3 more seats and a trunk on a Stang... as I say about everything else... "Everything in life has a cost" (Pro's and Con's)

 

[SteelCityFan]

This is pretty funny. Here are my thoughts...

Millenium has a severe case of an infliction known as bragging. You ask for people's opinion, then when someone does not feel the same way as you, you call them names similar to something you would hear during 3rd grade recess. You also accused people of being jealous of you. What in your life is lacking so much that a post like this was necessary. I think this post was more of a "Look what I have" post than a post wanting an opinion.

If you can't do the modding on your car yourself, or at least help out someone teaching you while performing the mods, then why bother? You are just shipping your car out to other people to do the work.

Lastly, who in their right mind would put so much money (70K+) into something as plain and common as a Mustang? Everyone and their grandmother has one. When was the last time you drove to McDonalds without seeing 25 of them. Corvette's are following the same path. There is a little old lady in the next building down that drives one... white hair and all.

A smart man would have bought a Viper for that 70K. The wow factor in the appearance of a Viper far outweighs any body kits you have added to your mustang. They are a rare find in most parts of the country, and immediately turn heads. You might say well, I like modding my car, and that holds for a lot of people. It would hold for you, if you actually were the one doing the real work (where is your car again?).

As for my opinion (which you obviously don't want to hear anyway) Give me a Supercharger / Turbo over Nitrous any day for many of the reasons already pointed out.

 

[Brutuskend]

Seems to me that if nitrous is cheating then using "Race" fuel (IE: AV gas, boosters etc.) must be cheating aswell.

Hell my car was built to run on 92+ octane from the factory before I built the hell out of it. Just TRY finding high octane fuel @ your local gas station....

 

[LAUST]

Sad to see there were so many votes that it's cheating (Misinformed people)

So I guess propane injection is fake power for Diesels then also huh. :disgust:

 

[LAUST]

A smart man would have bought a Viper for that 70K. The wow factor in the appearance of a Viper far outweighs any body kits you have added to your mustang. They are a rare find in most parts of the country, and immediately turn heads

Buying a Viper for "Look at me reasons" is pathetic

 

[Lucky]

Any "chip" on my shoulder was directed at Lucky who took statements of mine out of context from another thread.

I did no such thing.

And judging by the replies, I see im not remotely alone in my assessment of you. I was just the only one motivated enough at the time to show your contradicting posts.

 

[TuffGuy]

to quote SCC:

"It's like crack for your car.

This is how one of my esteemed colleagues recently described the use of nitrous oxide in automotive applications. As addictive as the horsepower boost nitrous provides can be, I prefer to think of it as Red Bull for your car, it wakes your engine for a brief period of time."

 

[Mill]

Looking back... almost 12 years later. Was I an arrogant prick or what? Very embarrassing to read this thread years later and see how immature and petty I was. At the time, I thought cars and racing were the pinnacle of all that life has to offer. Now, a little bit older and somewhat wiser I realize how foolish all of that was.

Kids, marriage, a good job. All way more important than a stupid car. Ironically, I sold the car to my neighbor a few years ago. His son drives it back and forth to college. I still jump out of my skin anytime I hear it coming down the road.

There were some fun times to be sure when I use to mod cars, but it was also a big waste of time and money. Wish I had taken all the money I spent and invested it. I might have a nice college fund for my daughter or been able to start my own business.

Life teaches a lot of lessons, doesn't it? I'm sure many of the posters from this thread are not around anymore, but if they are... I'm sorry for being such a jerk.

My advice to any kids or young adults thinking of blowing a lot of money on a car -- ask yourself... 12 years later will it be worth it?

Fast cars and the "modding" lifestyle can be very attractive and a lot of fun, but one day you have to grow up. Then, you realize how fleeting it all really was...

 

[noobsrevenge]

resurrecting a 12 year old thread to talk about yourself some more

 

[Nebor]

Looking back... almost 12 years later. Was I an arrogant prick or what? Very embarrassing to read this thread years later and see how immature and petty I was. At the time, I thought cars and racing were the pinnacle of all that life has to offer. Now, a little bit older and somewhat wiser I realize how foolish all of that was.

Kids, marriage, a good job. All way more important than a stupid car. Ironically, I sold the car to my neighbor a few years ago. His son drives it back and forth to college. I still jump out of my skin anytime I hear it coming down the road.

There were some fun times to be sure when I use to mod cars, but it was also a big waste of time and money. Wish I had taken all the money I spent and invested it. I might have a nice college fund for my daughter or been able to start my own business.

Life teaches a lot of lessons, doesn't it? I'm sure many of the posters from this thread are not around anymore, but if they are... I'm sorry for being such a jerk.

My advice to any kids or young adults thinking of blowing a lot of money on a car -- ask yourself... 12 years later will it be worth it?

Fast cars and the "modding" lifestyle can be very attractive and a lot of fun, but one day you have to grow up. Then, you realize how fleeting it all really was...

I remember you. Didn't you use to have a black bird as your avatar? And talk about mustangs alot?

 

[destrekor]

Looking back... almost 12 years later. Was I an arrogant prick or what? Very embarrassing to read this thread years later and see how immature and petty I was. At the time, I thought cars and racing were the pinnacle of all that life has to offer. Now, a little bit older and somewhat wiser I realize how foolish all of that was.

Kids, marriage, a good job. All way more important than a stupid car. Ironically, I sold the car to my neighbor a few years ago. His son drives it back and forth to college. I still jump out of my skin anytime I hear it coming down the road.

There were some fun times to be sure when I use to mod cars, but it was also a big waste of time and money. Wish I had taken all the money I spent and invested it. I might have a nice college fund for my daughter or been able to start my own business.

Life teaches a lot of lessons, doesn't it? I'm sure many of the posters from this thread are not around anymore, but if they are... I'm sorry for being such a jerk.

My advice to any kids or young adults thinking of blowing a lot of money on a car -- ask yourself... 12 years later will it be worth it?

Fast cars and the "modding" lifestyle can be very attractive and a lot of fun, but one day you have to grow up. Then, you realize how fleeting it all really was...

It's not necessarily a waste of money, in the grand scheme of things. Few hobbies that offer practical use and a side of fun are cheap - many don't even have true practical use. I know something I'll sink money in when I can afford the premium equipment is a high quality home theater setup. I've got a not quite budget setup using the best I can afford, and the overall result is wonderful, but that's not premium quality, especially in the speaker department. But really, what important purpose do I even get out of that? Nothing. At least with a car, even one with frivolous expenditure dropped into it regularly, it still serves as transportation.

Cars, home theaters, computers, remote control planes, rockets, etc etc... some of the better hobbies out there, but all can be enormous money sinks.

Life is fleeting - every dollar spent on anything other than the essentials is really just wasted money spent on entertainment. Since we live in a commercial civilization, entertainment can be expensive. If you've got the money, and still take care of future planning, children, retirement, etc... I wouldn't consider it truly a waste. It helps you feel good and you usually find a secondary community dedicated entirely to that hobby in the end. And hobbies are yet another way for friends and family to get closer, to form stronger bonds, and that can be lasting. And isn't that what everything is really about in the end? Lasting familial and friendly bonds bring out the very best in life, regardless of anything else going on.

 

[Muse]

street racing is stupid anyway

it's all about who wants to break more laws/take more risks

I'm glad I gave that up before I was 17. Lucky I didn't destroy my mom's car... or worse.

 

[Mill]

It's not necessarily a waste of money, in the grand scheme of things. Few hobbies that offer practical use and a side of fun are cheap - many don't even have true practical use. I know something I'll sink money in when I can afford the premium equipment is a high quality home theater setup. I've got a not quite budget setup using the best I can afford, and the overall result is wonderful, but that's not premium quality, especially in the speaker department. But really, what important purpose do I even get out of that? Nothing. At least with a car, even one with frivolous expenditure dropped into it regularly, it still serves as transportation.

Cars, home theaters, computers, remote control planes, rockets, etc etc... some of the better hobbies out there, but all can be enormous money sinks.

Life is fleeting - every dollar spent on anything other than the essentials is really just wasted money spent on entertainment. Since we live in a commercial civilization, entertainment can be expensive. If you've got the money, and still take care of future planning, children, retirement, etc... I wouldn't consider it truly a waste. It helps you feel good and you usually find a secondary community dedicated entirely to that hobby in the end. And hobbies are yet another way for friends and family to get closer, to form stronger bonds, and that can be lasting. And isn't that what everything is really about in the end? Lasting familial and friendly bonds bring out the very best in life, regardless of anything else going on.

You raise some very valid points. Hobbies can certainly help you establish relationships and become part of a "community." Certainly, if you are prudent in other financial areas -- a hobby can simply be a form of entertainment -- just like those with a custom home theatre, woodworking, RC planes, a custom kitchen for someone with culinary talent, etc.

No doubt all that is very true. But, the caveat I have that sometimes a hobby can become more than just a hobby and lead to an unhealthy obsession or imprudent decision making.

Trust me, not opposed to modding a car or building a nice entertainment system. My latest fascination is home-automation and energy efficiency, and I've been having a lot of fun with WiFi thermostats, wireless IP cameras and the like. The difference for me, however, is that home automation is something very practical (when done within reason), and has actually helped me save a lot of money on energy costs.

My thrills these days are tankless water heaters, checking my home for inadequately insulated areas, and trying to make things as energy efficient as possible. LOL. You could almost argue that modding a car is similar -- the search for efficiency and better performance.

 

[Muse]

Lol, was I the only one thinking he was talking about nitrous whipits?

No. That and meth. :\

 

[William Gaatjes]

Fifth gear - 1.9l D golf with NOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr4tnQJZdOc

 

[Mill]

I'm glad I gave that up before I was 17. Lucky I didn't destroy my mom's car... or worse.

And I didn't even mention that as part of the regrets that I have. Lucky I didn't kill myself or someone else. Speeding, street racing, and making poor decisions in a way that was very dangerous. I'd love to say I kept things to the track, but I'd be lying. I will always look back on the foolish things (like driving over 130MPH on the interstate) and say I was lucky I didn't get arrested or kill someone. Reckless decisions and I just lucked out.

That is not to say someone cannot be responsible in their quest to modify their car -- I'd argue the vast majority do things in a safe and responsible manner. But, I also know a lot of my friends and acquaintances from those days that took the same risks that I did.

Moral of the story? Moderation in certain things is respectable and a better idea than taking extreme risks, spending lavishly on a depreciable asset, or being a giant prick to people you are arguing with on an internet forum!

 

[JJ650]

Looking back... almost 12 years later. Was I an arrogant prick or what? Very embarrassing to read this thread years later and see how immature and petty I was. At the time, I thought cars and racing were the pinnacle of all that life has to offer. Now, a little bit older and somewhat wiser I realize how foolish all of that was.

Kids, marriage, a good job. All way more important than a stupid car. Ironically, I sold the car to my neighbor a few years ago. His son drives it back and forth to college. I still jump out of my skin anytime I hear it coming down the road.

There were some fun times to be sure when I use to mod cars, but it was also a big waste of time and money. Wish I had taken all the money I spent and invested it. I might have a nice college fund for my daughter or been able to start my own business.

Life teaches a lot of lessons, doesn't it? I'm sure many of the posters from this thread are not around anymore, but if they are... I'm sorry for being such a jerk.

My advice to any kids or young adults thinking of blowing a lot of money on a car -- ask yourself... 12 years later will it be worth it?

Fast cars and the "modding" lifestyle can be very attractive and a lot of fun, but one day you have to grow up. Then, you realize how fleeting it all really was...

LOL!
Sitting here reading most of this post I was thinking "this dude really is/was an arrogant prick".
Live and learn.

Nothing wrong with hobbies, but it does suck to look back and think how much cash you sunk into something that you don't even bother with anymore or realized if there is a point (or ever was). There is always something or someone better than you around the corner anyway.
Modding is fun (been saving up to mod a g8 gt) and I am a little older and have the cash flow to sustain my "habits". Couldn't have done this when I first joined and I am glad I didn't try.