Why is not illegal to smoke in a car with children inside?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yep just what we need, a more intrusive Nanny Government. Next thing you know some snotgobbler here will be saying that smokers shouldn't be allowed to have children!

just dont force them to be a casualty of a horrible habit

jC

How about mind your own fscking business!

when your business as a smoker, is inflicted on me without my consent, i will NOT MIND MY OWN F)(*))(* business..
for too long non smokers did not have a choice...big tobacco money drove everything until finally, bigger money (insurance), lobbied to get the crap stopped in public places

I remember flying on an airplane when smoking was still legal....Good $)#(*$)#($# grief...

JC

Eat a d*** you little hysterical bitch, we weren't talking about you now were we?

Apparently you are well versed at munching chubbers...does it make you hysterical?

The only thing that is apperent is that you didn't understand the OP's question and went off into a hysterical rant about something that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[Mill]

You live in Tennessee, it would be unconstitutional to ask you to have an education or to mind your own business. Seriously, look at the second article of the TN constitution. It has clause talking about people like you.

And you being an inbreed from ROLL TIDE, would never have an original thought that would make you think to pull your finger out just slightly from your nose so that the blood at least can get to your primitve functions..[/quote]

Roll Tide? What the hell are you talking about? Can you at least use standard English? If you are going to accuse me of being stupid, you should at LEAST spell primitive right and use proper punctuation. I know that you probably didn't graduate the 6th grade, but try really hard for me.[/quote]

This is coming from someone using many contractions in his so called beautiful prose. Let us call Pulitzer right now...we have a winner.[/quote]

Post a single article or link that says one contraction in a paragraph detracts from the grammer, spelling, or function of writing. You're not even out of highschool are you?[/quote]


Just use Webster's jagoff, you mispelled grammar...with an "A". What a dope... or in your case...doep[/quote]

HAHAHA. Exactly as I thought. You didn't catch a few other errors that I made either, but I was hoping you would. I just wanted you to waste time examining my posts. You did exactly that. Thanks bud. How predictabbble(whoops).

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

yeah, they can just leave...

 

[Mill]

Like I said, you can't be out of HS even. You've yet to realize how hard I am jerking your chain simply because you asked a stupid question. I'm leading you in circle and contradicting myself even, but you still keep arguing. BAA!!!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

yeah, they can just leave...

They can.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

absurd

How?

what 6 month old child has free will you mOmO

What the fvck is a mOmO? Is that some type of backwoods TN insult? Anyway, every 6 month old child has free will. If you are willing to smoke around them, then I have to think you are passing on ignorant, tainted genes, so the best bet would be that both of you live short lives.

hmmm, now we're harping on genes? Maybe you should be tested for any hereditary diseases and disposed of?

hmmm, gattica anyone?

So you are saying stupidity and ignorance are medical conditions? Surely you jest.

c'mon Mill. You were the one stating "passing on ignorant, tainted genes".

Hence I can associate you with nanny state nazis and want your kind off the planet. Or possibly in some country where govenment runs the lives of its citizens.

Also how is it stupid and ignorant to smoke with a child in the car? Careless, yes. Irresponsible even.

ignorant, No. (learn the use of the word first)
Stupid, No.

Sorry, it is stupid and ignorant. Maybe YOU should peruse the dictionary more often. Regardless, I'm hardly a nanny-stater. Your zealotry must be interfering with your delusional self. I'm on your side in this debate. There is no reason for more laws about something like this. I'm tired of people screaming there should be a law about something every time they see something they don't like. Maybe read my posts for context next time instead of making stupid assumptions. However, I love that you try to say it isn't ignorant or stupid. It simply is. You should have a right to be stupid or ignorant however, but don't expect help from the government or I when you fvck yourself over. Simple as that.

nevermind then. Guess we agree. I get too heated up when we're talking freedom - even the freedom to do ignorant, stupid stuff.

<---fartknocker

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

You can't seriously be that stupid.

You can't seriously be that obtuse.

I guess you really are. How sad. How is a 1 month old child going to leave the car?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

absurd

How?

what 6 month old child has free will you mOmO

What the fvck is a mOmO? Is that some type of backwoods TN insult? Anyway, every 6 month old child has free will. If you are willing to smoke around them, then I have to think you are passing on ignorant, tainted genes, so the best bet would be that both of you live short lives.

hmmm, now we're harping on genes? Maybe you should be tested for any hereditary diseases and disposed of?

hmmm, gattica anyone?

So you are saying stupidity and ignorance are medical conditions? Surely you jest.

c'mon Mill. You were the one stating "passing on ignorant, tainted genes".

Hence I can associate you with nanny state nazis and want your kind off the planet. Or possibly in some country where govenment runs the lives of its citizens.

Also how is it stupid and ignorant to smoke with a child in the car? Careless, yes. Irresponsible even.

ignorant, No. (learn the use of the word first)
Stupid, No.

Sorry, it is stupid and ignorant. Maybe YOU should peruse the dictionary more often. Regardless, I'm hardly a nanny-stater. Your zealotry must be interfering with your delusional self. I'm on your side in this debate. There is no reason for more laws about something like this. I'm tired of people screaming there should be a law about something every time they see something they don't like. Maybe read my posts for context next time instead of making stupid assumptions. However, I love that you try to say it isn't ignorant or stupid. It simply is. You should have a right to be stupid or ignorant however, but don't expect help from the government or I when you fvck yourself over. Simple as that.

nevermind then. Guess we agree. I get too heated up when we're talking freedom - even the freedom to do ignorant, stupid stuff.

<---fartknocker

:beer:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Apparently you are well versed at munching chubbers...does it make you hysterical?

The only thing that is apperent is that you didn't understand the OP's question and went off into a hysterical rant about something that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Am I missing something here? Chunkee is the OP

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Apparently you are well versed at munching chubbers...does it make you hysterical?

The only thing that is apperent is that you didn't understand the OP's question and went off into a hysterical rant about something that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Am I missing something here? Chunkee is the OP

Then Chunkee (who should have his nick changed to Butters) didn't understand his own question

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
It disugust me how careless, and selfish these people are. you need a license to hunt, fish, drive, sell beer, run a business, but you dont need one to have kids and take good care of them.

I may seem small, but is truly is a horrible thing.

JC

Worry about your own damn family.

 

[DurocShark]

Unfortunately, I have to agree with the folks saying the Gov has too many fingers in our lives already.

While I never smoked in the car with my kids, if the gov told me not to I would actually WANT to. Scary.

Common sense should prevail. If not, we as a nation need to just back off and let stupid people be stupid.

 

[bigalt]

it should be illegal to talk about politics and religion in the car with children present, too. and to play the radio too.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Mill
Children have free will. If it bothers them they can get out of the car.

OMG, like u r the bigest a$$hat in the hole werld.

 

[MikeMike]

well, why does talking on the cellphone take more attention than smoking a cigarette? you have to make sure you dont hit the window, or something when driving with a cigarette, if cell phones get banned, cig's should be banned.

MIKE

 

[PanzerIV]

Although I am certainly not for the government further regulating my life, I do not agree with smoking in the car when children are present. I don't know the solution but I suppose there won't be one anytime soon given that some retards still hold their children in their lap when driving rather than using child restraining devices. If they don't have enough intelligence to do that why should they care if they smoke in the car with kids either?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
well, why does talking on the cellphone take more attention than smoking a cigarette? you have to make sure you dont hit the window, or something when driving with a cigarette, if cell phones get banned, cig's should be banned.

MIKE

Uh... no? That doesn't make much sense. It doesn't take a whole lot of concentration to smoke while you're driving.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
It disugust me how careless, and selfish these people are. you need a license to hunt, fish, drive, sell beer, run a business, but you dont need one to have kids and take good care of them.

I may seem small, but is truly is a horrible thing.

JC

What does your size have to do with this

 

[Papagayo]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
It disugust me how careless, and selfish these people are. you need a license to hunt, fish, drive, sell beer, run a business, but you dont need one to have kids and take good care of them.

I may seem small, but is truly is a horrible thing.

JC

As a smoker, I completely agree with you.. It also pisses me off to see that.
I don't smoke near my kid.
I don't smoke in the car (with or without the kid, because it stinks the car)
I don't smoke in the house, because it stinks.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Papagayo

Originally posted by: Chunkee
It disugust me how careless, and selfish these people are. you need a license to hunt, fish, drive, sell beer, run a business, but you dont need one to have kids and take good care of them.

I may seem small, but is truly is a horrible thing.

JC

As a smoker, I completely agree with you.. It also pisses me off to see that.
I don't smoke near my kid.
I don't smoke in the car (with or without the kid, because it stinks the car)
I don't smoke in the house, because it stinks.

But you figured all this out without the government telling you about it.
That's my beef.

 

[Optimus]

Lemme play devil's advocate here for a minute, for both sides:

For a new law:

Does smoking create 2nd hand smoke?

Does 2nd hand cigarette smoke, when contained in a small, poorly ventilated area and breathed in for up to 1/2 hour at a time, cause health problems in children?

Is therefore, restraining another human being, even your own child, in a small, poorly ventilated space and forcing them to inhale a damaging and harmful substance for a prolonged time an act of direct, intentional harm againt that child?

Is a child not recognized as a person protected under law from undue harm, even from thier own parents?

Don't we already legislate against pretty much all acts of direct, intentional harm against a child (child abuse laws, child safety laws, child education laws, etc)?

If these statements are true, why would a law forbidding another direct, intentional act of harm against a child be out of the question?


Against a new law:

Given that the above is true, would it not also hold to, say, feeding your kids fatty foods? Can we then make that illegal? What about spanking?


Conclusion:

Its really a question of WHERE the line is in terms of what is harmful to a child, and how harmful it is. Without any evidence to support how much a child is harmed by second hand smoke in a car, it is hard to promote yet another law.
I would say someone should apply some scientific research and study to it, and if its compelling enough (such as, say, a %40 increase in sersious asthma, or childhood lung disease) then a law could in fact be necessary.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yep just what we need, a more intrusive Nanny Government. Next thing you know some snotgobbler here will be saying that smokers shouldn't be allowed to have children!

Yep, next thing you know the government will be telling people they can't burn their kids arms with cigarettes or lock them in a closet for days to discipline them. I mean what right does anyone have to tell you how to raise your kids.

 

[DT4K]

Second-hand smoke (which is sometimes called environmental tobacco smoke or ETS) contains toxic substances, over 40 of which cause cancer. Some of these substances are in stronger concentrations in second-hand smoke than they are in the smoke that goes directly into smokers? lungs.

ETS is causally linked with a number of adverse health effects in children (under 18), including:

lower respiratory tract infections (i.e. croup, bronchitis and pneumonia)
increased fluid in the middle ear
upper respiratory tract irritation
reduced lung function
additional episodes of asthma
increased severity of asthmatic symptoms in children
reduced oxygen flow to tissues, comparable to children with anemia, cyanotic heart disease or chronic lung disease ?
ETS is also associated with:

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
acute middle ear infections (otitis media)
tonsillectomy
meningococcal infections
cancers and leukemias in childhood
slower growth
adverse neurobehavioural effects
upper respiratory tract infections (colds and sore throats)
unfavorable cholesterol levels and initiation of atherosclerosis (heart disease) ?
A British study found that SIDS deaths could be reduced by two-thirds if parents did not smoke.***

A U.S. analysis** of over 100 reports on p&aelig;diatric diseases concluded that children?s exposure to tobacco smoke is responsible for up to:

13% of ear infection
(approximately 220,000 ear infections in Canadian children)*

26% of tympanostomy tube insertions
(approximately 16,500 in Canada)

24% of tonsillectomies and adenoidectomies
(approx. 2,100 Canadian operations)

13% of asthma cases
(approx. 52,200 cases in Canada)

16% of physician visits for cough
(approx. 200,000 visits in Canada)

20% of all lung infections in children under 5
(approx. 43,600 cases of bronchitis in Canada and 19,000 cases of pneumonia in Canada)

136-212 childhood deaths from lower respiratory infection
(approx. 13-20 in Canada)

148 childhood deaths from fires started by tobacco products
(approx. 15 in Canada)

1868-2708 SIDS deaths?
(approx. 180-270 in Canada)

* the number of Canadian cases is extrapolated from U.S. estimates
? [Samet, JM. Synthesis: The Health Effects of Tobacco Smoke Exposure on Children. January 7, 1999]
?[California EPA. Final Report: Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke, Sept. 1997]
** Joseph diFranza and Robert Lew, Morbidity and Mortality in Children Associated with the Use of Tobacco Products by Other People, Paediatrics, 1996, 97:560-568].
*** Peter Blair et al. Smoking and the sudden infant death syndrome: results from 1993-5 case-control study for confidential inquiry into stillbirths and deaths in infancy. British Medical Journal, 1996: 313.

 

[kranky]

I have no doubt there is such a law waiting in the on-deck circle, but they seem to be a little backed up recently due to the frenzy of other freedom-restricting laws being passed by the boatload.

Don't worry, they'll get to it.

 

[Geekbabe]

smoked boneless pork ribs taste better than smoked kids do