Why is the developed world turning away from Nuclear Energy?

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StrangerGuy

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Because people are comfortable to do everyday things that kill themselves slowly and predictably by the millions instead of images of glowing green mushroom clouds in their heads.
 

rcpratt

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The NRC approved SCANA's V.C. Summer combined license application for two AP1000 units in South Carolina today.
 

bradley

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And? I see scary bright colors with no explanation of what they actually are. If you want to talk about ruining the ocean coal has dumped so much mercury into the ocean that it's not safe for pregnant women or young children to eat predatory salt water fish on a regular basis anymore.

The bright colors are radioactive leakage, pretty self-explanatory. ASR Limited is a very credible company who has been tracking Fukushima floating debris and leaking radioactive seawater from the beginning.

Of course, the eventual official admission was begat by years of ASR Limited's research.

Fukushima Plant is Leaking Radioactive Water Into the Sea
July 23, 2013 2:30 PM
http://www.dailytech.com/Fukushima+Plant+is+Leaking+Radioactive+Water+Into+the+Sea/article32026.htm
 

Agent11

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Fukushima was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission and that did not follow industry best practices, it should hardly be used to judge all nuclear.

There are many types of reactor, not all are equal and many designs are much safer inherently than the light water design of Fukushima.
 

blankslate

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No, we learn from our mistakes and make sure we limit our causalities to a minimum, and how many people died after being exposed to the radiation.. compared to the lives lost during that natural catastrophe?

Because the spent fuel for the Uranium reactors is a PITA to store safely.... compared to the proposed Thorium reactors. Spent thorium would be easier to store...

However, the nuclear arms races pretty much guaranteed that Uranium reactors would be used instead of thorium reactors.

There is an experimental thorium reactor which is beginning a trial run.

If that test goes well then Nuclear energy with a safer fuel could be an alternative to the current reactors.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...rovide-cleaner-safer-almost-waste-free-energy

In one fell swoop, thorium fuel, which is safer, less messy to clean up, and not prone to nuclear weapons proliferation, could quench the complaints of nuclear power critics everywhere.

Enter thorium. Natural thorium, which is fairly cheap and abundant (more so than uranium), doesn’t contain enough fissile material (thorium-231) to sustain a nuclear chain reaction. By mixing thorium oxide with 10% plutonium oxide, however, criticality is achieved.
This fuel, which is called thorium-MOX (mixed-oxide), can then be formed into rods and used in conventional nuclear reactors.
Not only does this mean that we can do away with uranium, which is expensive to enrich, dangerous, and leads to nuclear proliferation, but it also means that we finally have an easy way of recycling plutonium.

Hopefully the test goes well.
 

Patranus

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All started in the US via the fear mongering by the progressives circa 1979.
Ironically they would rather destroy the environment with solar, wind, and hydroelectric.
 

JimmiG

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And? I see scary bright colors with no explanation of what they actually are. If you want to talk about ruining the ocean coal has dumped so much mercury into the ocean that it's not safe for pregnant women or young children to eat predatory salt water fish on a regular basis anymore.

This. Compared to all the other ways we ruin our planet, nuclear accidents barely register.

I'd rather live next to a nuclear power plant than a coal plant.
 
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Acanthus

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If we can find alternatives that are safer and much more environmentally friendly, then why not pursue that?

Nuclear reactors are only "clean" until their fuel is spent, then you end up with waste that is many times worse than what other power plants produce.


For any nuclear reactors we do build now, they should be pebble bed reactors. Not sure why we aren't doing that.

You are suggesting that nuclear is dirtier than fossil fuels?

Of the high density solutions, nuclear is by far the safest and cleanest.

Coal: Spews carcinogens and ironically radiation directly into the atmosphere, creates many tons of CO2.
Oil: Expensive, spews carcinogens directly into the atmosphere, creates many tons of CO2.
Hydro: Out of places to put new dams, dams destroy square miles of land.

Wind: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.
Solar: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.
Tidal: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.

Geothermal: Great where you can install it.

Fusion: Maybe in 50 years.
 

StrangerGuy

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You are suggesting that nuclear is dirtier than fossil fuels?

Of the high density solutions, nuclear is by far the safest and cleanest.

Coal: Spews carcinogens and ironically radiation directly into the atmosphere, creates many tons of CO2.
Oil: Expensive, spews carcinogens directly into the atmosphere, creates many tons of CO2.
Hydro: Out of places to put new dams, dams destroy square miles of land.

Wind: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.
Solar: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.
Tidal: Expensive, Low density, not continuous.

Geothermal: Great where you can install it.

Fusion: Maybe in 50 years.

Don't bother arguing with logic anymore it doesn't work with the puny, paranoid minds. I have worked with chemists that won't even dare to drink their own tap water they themselves tested as safe. What chance would the masses have then?
 

Acanthus

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The bright colors are radioactive leakage, pretty self-explanatory. ASR Limited is a very credible company who has been tracking Fukushima floating debris and leaking radioactive seawater from the beginning.

Of course, the eventual official admission was begat by years of ASR Limited's research.

Fukushima Plant is Leaking Radioactive Water Into the Sea
July 23, 2013 2:30 PM
http://www.dailytech.com/Fukushima+Plant+is+Leaking+Radioactive+Water+Into+the+Sea/article32026.htm

Trace amounts are not destructive.

We have gotten very good at detecting very minute levels of radiation.
 

alkemyst

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IMHO oil dependency is another way of wealth redistribution. They don't want alternatives.
 

techs

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This. Compared to all the other ways we ruin our planet, nuclear accidents barely register.

I'd rather live next to a nuclear power plant than a coal plant.

I actually do live next to a nuclear power plant. And you really don't get it.

When you live as close as I do you get to hear all the stuff that goes on at the plant. The stuff is pretty shocking. Nuclear plants are constantly breaking down. Management appears to be incompetent and lie about everything.

Oh, has nuclear waste been released? We can't imagine how that happened! What do you mean leaky pipes? We don't even have any pipes! Oh, you mean those pipes? Ok, we leaked a little but its all fixed. Oh, there's more leaks? But we don't have any more pipes! Well, yeah, we just found out we have more pipes.

The above is an actual incident that occurred down the road from me at a nuclear power plant.
 

disappoint

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Fukushima was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission and that did not follow industry best practices, it should hardly be used to judge all nuclear.

There are many types of reactor, not all are equal and many designs are much safer inherently than the light water design of Fukushima.

LOL I've heard that one before. Chernobyl was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission! They make much safer plants now!

Until something goes wrong with another plant. 3 mile island was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission! They make much safer plants now!

ALL plants are outdated after a certain number of years! Because progress!
 

techs

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Also, the problem was not with the plant but with the company running it not following procedures, etc.

Well, you can count on the companies running nuke plants to cut every corner they can to save money and put profits into their shareholders hands.

That's my basic problem with nuke plants. Profit making corporations plus governments that are controlled by corporate interests are what make nuke plants dangerous.
 

Ventanni

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Is that problem solvable though? (lol can you solve stupidity?) What was France's track record with their nuclear plants? I know they had an issue with oversupply of electricity, but was it cost effective for their citizens? The reason I ask is because what you describe is just people doing what people do. People push boundaries until they're held accountable to do the right thing. It just so happens to be that in this case, those pushing of boundaries can cause tremendous damage to the immediate area.
 

JimmiG

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LOL I've heard that one before. Chernobyl was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission! They make much safer plants now!

Until something goes wrong with another plant. 3 mile island was an outdated plant that used an outdated form of fission! They make much safer plants now!

ALL plants are outdated after a certain number of years! Because progress!

Nuclear power plants evolve like everything else. Most of the stuff we used 50 years ago - engines, pesticides, medicine, plastics etc. are considered dangerous, outdated, unreliable etc. today. Huge advances have been made in safety and efficiency of nuclear reactors, but unfortunately the public resistance is causing everyone to hold back on spending and keep running the old plants for as long as they can.

Chernobyl is an outliner though. It was basically a nuclear ammunition factory that also happened to produce some electricity.
 

Paratus

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Also, the problem was not with the plant but with the company running it not following procedures, etc.

Well, you can count on the companies running nuke plants to cut every corner they can to save money and put profits into their shareholders hands.

That's my basic problem with nuke plants. Profit making corporations plus governments that are controlled by corporate interests are what make nuke plants dangerous.

Good points. Coal and oil plants don't suffer from any of those problems.....,
 

techs

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Good points. Coal and oil plants don't suffer from any of those problems.....,

Sure, there is no difference between an accident at a nuclear power plant and an accident at a coal or oil power plant.

Except maybe for the millions dead and an area the size of New Jersey made uninhabitable.

Aside from that, exactly the same thing.
 
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