Why isn't Europe as crazy about guns as US?

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BoberFett

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The constitution can and has changed many times over the 200 years. What made sense generations ago, no longer make sense. With any luck, the 2nd amendment can be gotten to of.

Then put it to a vote and try to change it, and stop trying all these other slimy sleazy left wing tactics to ban them via other means.

I see all the gun nuts cry about their gun rights being infringed - but no one complaining about their 4th amendment rights being violated on a daily basis.

Are you brain damaged?
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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In terms of freedom of speech I am also a little dubious. I can come up with only one significant example, that is the prohibition of apology of nazism/fascism, which I personally very much support. It only impacts nazis/fascists, which I am all for impacting.

I find your approval of censorship more disgusting than any murder by firearm. Censorship is the tool of fascism, apparently Europeans didn't learn their lesson.
 

bradly1101

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Yay! The anit-gun nuts aren't as loud, are "full of shit," have less data and are more "stupid" and "immature" than the gun nuts! At least the level of discourse was sophisticated! ;-)

When I was threatened with a gun in a mugging, I knew there was nothing I could do other than to hand over my wallet. I didn't see his gun, but all he needed to do was say he had one.

If I had a gun and tried to use it, who knows who could have ended up dead? As it was I didn't have a gun (and probably neither did he), and no one had to die.
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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Yay! The anit-gun nuts aren't as loud, are "full of shit," have less data and are more "stupid" and "immature" than the gun nuts! At least the level of discourse was sophisticated! ;-)

When I was threatened with a gun in a mugging, I knew there was nothing I could do other than to hand over my wallet. I didn't see his gun, but all he needed to do was say he had one.

If I had a gun and tried to use it, who knows who could have ended up dead? As it was I didn't have a gun (and probably neither did he), and no one had to die.

how can you be threatened with a gun that doesn't exist?
 

IEC

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Yay! The anit-gun nuts aren't as loud, are "full of shit," have less data and are more "stupid" and "immature" than the gun nuts! At least the level of discourse was sophisticated! ;-)

When I was threatened with a gun in a mugging, I knew there was nothing I could do other than to hand over my wallet. I didn't see his gun, but all he needed to do was say he had one.

If I had a gun and tried to use it, who knows who could have ended up dead? As it was I didn't have a gun (and probably neither did he), and no one had to die.

Special pleading
Straw man
Black and white
Anecdote

Your arguments have failed, still fail, and will continue to fail.
 

BoberFett

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In any case, a government rarely turns against the majority of its populace. It's more likely to turn against minorities, which do not fall under the definition of "state".
Even the worst of dictatorships often have large amounts of loyalists.

Anyway, those that fear a potentially evil government: I'm aware of only very few national governments that actively work against their people.

No, Stalin never murdered tens of millions of his own people. And neither did Mao, or Pol Pot, or Hitler murder millions of their own countrymen. Good point.
 

BoberFett

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Germans also know they started two World Wars. There is an innate desire to simply avoid such violence. This also applies to TV and movie media; European films glorify love and sex whereas American films glorify violence and war.

Germans didn't start two world wars with hunting rifles and handguns. That was the government and the military. Seems to me they've banned the wrong thing.
 

BoberFett

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The gov would just flick a couple of switches and all your revolutionaries wouldn't be able to communicate, they would break down into thousands of separate groups who would fight each other for power. Then the gov would just do clean up

Why would they fight each other for power? What kind of movies have you been watching?
 

BoberFett

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Today, no external danger to the freedom of the people exists, that is not dealt with by either the army, or the well-regulated militia, that is the national guard.

Considering that our greatest potential enemy right now (in my and many other's opinion) is the US government itself, you couldn't be more wrong. In fact it makes the 2nd Amendment that much more important.
 

Veliko

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Here in Europe we've got 2000+ years of culture and history, something that the Yanks are woefully lacking in. Instead of putting their heads together and taking time to consider this concept, they've taken it upon themselves to consume immense amounts of McDonalds, Coke, and Marlboro products, whilst at the same time loudly proclaiming that they're the most free people on the planet.

In school they are taught a whitewashed version of history in which there is a CLEAR WINNER on one side and a CLEAR LOSER on the other. Nuance and detail are discarded in favour of picking a side and staying with it like they might do with a sports team.

We aren't crazy about guns as we have no need to be.

Some of us like guns because they're fun to shoot but no-one is crazy about them.
 
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Tango

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I find your approval of censorship more disgusting than any murder by firearm. Censorship is the tool of fascism, apparently Europeans didn't learn their lesson.

Censorship is not the tool of fascism. Censorship is an instrument used in every society, although on which topic changes quite a lot depending on the different cultures and sensibilities. I am not aware of any country in the world without specific laws and regulation about what can or cannot be shown on the theaters' screens and stages.

In the United States is used mostly to limit the use of nudity and explicit references to sexuality in mainstream art and cultural production. In Europe they chose to limit the possibility to negate the horrors of nazism and fascism, and I personally am very much in support of this because limiting the amount of lies that can go to disrespect the victims of those atrocities is a very civil way to honor their memory.

The only people impacted by this are those people whose agenda is to support those lies, and as I wrote I am all in favor of impacting those individuals.
 

Tango

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Here in Europe we've got 2000+ years of culture and history, something that the Yanks are woefully lacking in. Instead of putting their heads together and taking time to consider this concept, they've taken it upon themselves to consume immense amounts of McDonalds, Coke, and Marlboro products, whilst at the same time loudly proclaiming that they're the most free people on the planet.

In school they are taught a whitewashed version of history in which there is a CLEAR WINNER on one side and a CLEAR LOSER on the other. Nuance and detail are discarded in favour of picking a side and staying with it like they might do with a sports team.

We aren't crazy about guns as we have no need to be.

Some of us like guns because they're fun to shoot but no-one is crazy about them.

History is important, but I think in this case more important is the current cultural production.

Basically, 90% of all action movies produced in the US end with some sort of physical/armed confrontation between the hero and the antagonist. It is a cultural pattern repeated over and over and over, that certainly has an effect in shaping thoughts and decisions.

I have a curious anecdote. I watched the French movie Irreversible with a bunch of American friends. For those who are not familiar with it, it flows backward from its conclusion to its beginning. So the first scene depicts a man killing another in revenge, and then the movies flows backwards showing the reasons for which the man seemed revenge.
Problem is, the killed is not the right one, but a friend of his. The guy just gets it wrong.

Out of 8 of my friends, 7 did not catch this, and even after being told they resisted the idea saying that it would not make sense! why would they make it so he does not have his revenge?. The eighth person works in movies and has consequently a very keen eye for scripts, and would never lose something like this.

I thought it was a very interesting case of how people internalize the narrative structures stereotypical of the cultural production they are most accustomed to, to the point of renegotiating what they have just seen to make it fit those.
 
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bradly1101

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History is important, but I think in this case more important is the current cultural production.

Basically, 90% of all action movies produced in the US end with some sort of physical/armed confrontation between the hero and the antagonist. It is a cultural pattern repeated over and over and over, that certainly has an effect in shaping thoughts and decisions.

And we may have been born of conflict, but I hope that doesn't define us anymore. Unfortunately power over one's perceived enemy is ruthlessly alluring. It's left over tribalism and territoriality.
 

IEC

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And we may have been born of conflict, but I hope that doesn't define us anymore. Unfortunately power over one's perceived enemy is ruthlessly alluring. It's left over tribalism and territoriality.

No, it's human nature.
 

HumblePie

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Oct 30, 2000
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History is important, but I think in this case more important is the current cultural production.

Basically, 90% of all action movies produced in the US end with some sort of physical/armed confrontation between the hero and the antagonist. It is a cultural pattern repeated over and over and over, that certainly has an effect in shaping thoughts and decisions.

I have a curious anecdote. I watched the French movie Irreversible with a bunch of American friends. For those who are not familiar with it, it flows backward from its conclusion to its beginning. So the first scene depicts a man killing another in revenge, and then the movies flows backwards showing the reasons for which the man seemed revenge.
Problem is, the killed is not the right one, but a friend of his. The guy just gets it wrong.

Out of 8 of my friends, 7 did not catch this, and even after being told they resisted the idea saying that it would not make sense! why would they make it so he does not have his revenge?. The eighth person works in movies and has consequently a very keen eye for scripts, and would never lose something like this.

I thought it was a very interesting case of how people internalize the narrative structures stereotypical of the cultural production they are most accustomed to, to the point of renegotiating what they have just seen to make it fit those.

Uh Memento?
 

schneiderguy

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Here in Europe we've got 2000+ years of culture and history, something that the Yanks are woefully lacking in.

Hilarious. Cultured my ass, you're a bunch of savages. The only reason you idiots haven't slaughtered each other by the millions since WW2 is because the "uncultured yanks" will put you in time out if you try to start European War #4324325. And by time out, I mean bomb you back to the stone age. Eat shit, Europoor peasant.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Hilarious. Cultured my ass, you're a bunch of savages. The only reason you idiots haven't slaughtered each other by the millions since WW2 is because the "uncultured yanks" will put you in time out if you try to start European War #4324325. And by time out, I mean bomb you back to the stone age. Eat shit, Europoor peasant.

Oooooh, get mister culturally sensitive. Careful your inferiority complex is showing.

Poor lamb, did he hurt your feelings?
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