Why Ivy Bridge Is Still Quad-Core?

[Edrick]

After that slow in development come soon enough, and IB is a testament to that.

How do you figure that? IB looks like a real good Tick so far. More impressive than Westmere was.

 

[MrX8503]

Making a Hexacore CPU doesn't exclude making a high efficiency CPU.
x86 are never going to compete in the 1-10W range, not until they drop the x86 from their name.

It doesn't exclude it, but its much more difficult, which is why Intel adopted the tick tock cadence. It seems to be working well for them. Doing too many things at once is not effective. Die shrink and new architecture is kept separate for the most part.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I really do think you argue just for the sake or arguing. If AMD was more competative you wouldn't have X79/SB-E priced so high and the idea of making a hex core IB based CPU on their mainstream platform would be less relevant.

Really whats to stop going back to 2005. Whats to stop AMD from having a highend FX branded cpu that sells for a grand . We been there done that . Intel was getting creamed by amd yet intel still had the 1000 dollar extremely slow cpu .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Driving price up is just the first part of the equation. After that slow in development come soon enough, and IB is a testament to that.

Intel has actually driven pricies lower . I not going to debate ya on this . Just go back and look at AMD/INTEL Pricies in 05.

 

[Arachnotronic]

How do you figure that? IB looks like a real good Tick so far. More impressive than Westmere was.

At least with the Westmere generation, we saw the benefits in the form of a 6 core CPU.

I really, really hate how Intel releases the low end first.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Care to explain video game market then?

Oh and market trend in a market with a monopolist that has abused its monopoly power is not a good reference. Again, Economics 101 > you.

Its not hard to explain AMD/NV gave an unsaid agreement to keep pricies high. AMD/INTEL have no such unsaid agreement.

Well they got caught once . pricies went down so now there is noway to prove that agreement is still inplace . Except pricies are back up . The better intel IGP gets the higher pricies will push higher as intel eats into AMD/nv entry level GPUs . Amd is its own worse enemy here . To stay with intel they have to compete with intel . Removing even more sells from NV and AMD sells . The only winner here is intel as they have NO GPU sells to lose. Intel will keep pushing the boundries until such a point only highend GPUs are made . which = Less sells and higher cost in the GPU market .

 

[drizek]

Care to explain how AMD can do it? Release a nice six core chip that costs about the same as their top end quad core?

They lose money on each one but they make up for it in volume.

 

[Arkaign]

They lose money on each one but they make up for it in volume.

????

lolwut? I know what you were trying to say, but that sentence makes no sense.

 

[cytg111]

Intel's monopoly position is hurting technological development, and if this continues it will start to hurt prices too. We can only hope that AMD can bring out something competitive as soon as possible.

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I am sorry, but anyone debating this fact needs to have their neural construct calibrated. Fact of life. Supply and demand. Origin of specie... chips.

 

[Silverforce11]

Why would Intel release 6 core/12 thread IvB, so it can cannibalize SB-E platforms??

 

[ncalipari]

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I am sorry, but anyone debating this fact needs to have their neural construct calibrated. Fact of life. Supply and demand. Origin of specie... chips.

in a free market there are no patents.

Intel has a monopoly position because only AMD and TI are authorized to compete.

 

[Idontcare]

in a free market there are no patents.

Intel has a monopoly position because only AMD and TI are authorized to compete.

In a free market there would be no murder. Murder would not be considered a crime, people would just kill off their competition and it would be "free market" innovation at its finest.

It is true TI has am x86 license, so does Via, IBM, and a bevy of other companies.

 

[sm625]

This is a business decision based on market conditions (and software) more than it is based on competition.

Yes, in other words, they're milking.

 

[Edrick]

Yes, in other words, they're milking.

I still disagree. They have making quad core CPUs with improved IPC because that is what most software needs right now. AMD is making CPUs with more cores and decreases IPC, and look how that turned out. Intel is giving us a faster version of what we need, as opposed to a slower version of what we want.

 

[Idontcare]

Yes, in other words, they're milking.

What's with the hyperbole in these threads all of a sudden. Its like people got an early case of the holiday blues

"milking" can be claimed against ANY business that is a for-profit entity which is charging their customers a price that exceeds the break-even cost or fails to invest 100% of their profits back into R&D to accelerate the obsolescence of their existing products on the market.

This is a trivially silly line of thinking. Every company out there is "milking", surely this can't be the first time the idea has come to you? So why go out of the way to level the charge against Intel?

If you buy an AMD cpu today then AMD is milking you because they could have sold that CPU to you for even less. Likewise AMD is milking the market because they aren't accelerating their product development cycle with those profits.

I wish AMD would stop milking me, its beginning to chaff a little

 

[The|Hunter]

Why would Intel release 6 core/12 thread IvB, so it can cannibalize SB-E platforms??

Even if they did on LGA1155, they would still release a full 8core(16thread) IB-E anyway..Although yea they won't on LGA1155 because of build-in gpu.


Anyhow IB-E 8core is my next upgrade , when ever that comes, hehe probably/hopefully Q3-Q4 2012.

 

[Edrick]

Anyhow IB-E 8core is my next upgrade , when ever that comes, hehe probably/hopefully Q3-Q4 2012.

I just can't say enough how disappointed I am with the x79 platform in its current state.

 

[Nemesis 1]

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I am sorry, but anyone debating this fact needs to have their neural construct calibrated. Fact of life. Supply and demand. Origin of specie... chips.

I will debate it all day . and you cann't prove 1 word of your statement . Not one word . as for the url you had listed that makes = amount of sense as you do . Your an AMD fanbois who got BDed. Live with it and move on . Your cring is low frequency muddled sound. Much like AMDS latest FX branded CPU

 

[cytg111]

I will debate it all day . and you cann't prove 1 word of your statement . Not one word . as for the url you had listed that makes = amount of sense as you do . Your an AMD fanbois who got BDed. Live with it and move on . Your cring is low frequency muddled sound. Much like AMDS latest FX branded CPU

- I dont have to prove it, cause other, smart people, like me, not like you, have proved it many times over in the past.
Proven in both theory on practise.
I would advice you to your public library, you know, to improve teh smartin' cann-nnn't.. And even some day, maybe, improve from monolog to dialog.. who knows. We'll be here waiting.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I see a few posters don't like intel SB 1155 being out ahead of SB-E . I think its great we get a extreme model SB thats competes with the highend thats available . The only people who wouldn't like that are people who have or want 2011 sockets . The minority wants this . But not the majority . The only chance you have of getting it your way is submit it to the dem congress they love monority over majority rule .

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It boggles my mind that people can imply intel releasing far better processors than the competition = intel stifling development. I can see where people are coming from, but blaming intel is dumb in this instance.

 

[Nemesis 1]

- I dont have to prove it, cause other, smart people, like me, not like you, have proved it many times over in the past.
Proven in both theory on practise.
I would advice you to your public library, you know, to improve teh smartin' cann-nnn't.. And even some day, maybe, improve from monolog to dialog.. who knows. We'll be here waiting.

It has not been proven that intel has slowed advancements . Intel may have made deals with suppliers I give ya that . But in all this you people refuse to except the fact that in 2005 and earilier AMD was capacity restrained . AMD couldn't sell any more chips than they could produce . By the time AMDs new fab was completed it was to late and a dollar short. Thats facts you people ignor and its a PROVEN fact. llano is selling like hot cakes except there is little supply and it won't show any real profits in the 4th qt . So it ends up as cup cake. Is that intels fault. No now YOU blame GF who had nothing to do with SOI or gate first @32nm. And is infact AMDs old fabs.

 

[ncalipari]

This is a trivially silly line of thinking. Every company out there is "milking", surely this can't be the first time the idea has come to you? So why go out of the way to level the charge against Intel?

If you buy an AMD cpu today then AMD is milking you because they could have sold that CPU to you for even less. Likewise AMD is milking the market because they aren't accelerating their product development cycle with those profits.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding in the term "milking".

In a competitive market the other players would drive the profit margin down with either technological or price pressure.

Since no one can compete with intel in the x86 market, intel can decide alone how much is their profit margin.

I just hope x86 will be ditched as soon as possible.

 

[ncalipari]

It has not been proven that intel has slowed advancements

and how would you call a quad core ivy bridge?

 

[Avalon]

and how would you call a quad core ivy bridge?

Why are you so fixated on the number of cores, while disregarding everything else such as IPC, feature improvements, and process technology that goes into these CPUs?

If you want more cores, get a Bulldozer, or get a dual socket board.