Why Kerry is more stubborn that Bush...

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: rickn
why dont you just admit you're one of the resident board neothugs with a new registered nickname.

You call me a neothug, but all I'm asking is to talk about this rationally. It's you and a few others who are just attacking with senseless quips.

Sir, I am not the thug here.

 

[Vic]

My God, the trolls just keep coming out of the woodwork! And you just know that at least half of them are banned members...
I wish we could get the mods to suspend registration until after the election.

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Vic
My God, the trolls just keep coming out of the woodwork! And you just know that at least half of them are banned members...
I wish we could get the mods to suspend registration until after the election.

See sig.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Vic
My God, the trolls just keep coming out of the woodwork! And you just know that at least half of them are banned members...
I wish we could get the mods to suspend registration until after the election.

See sig.

See mine, asshole, I'm not a liberal.

Just not a brainwashed zombie with a head full of lies and half-truths like you either, and I dislike having otherwise intelligent debate disrupted by dipsh!t trolls like yourself.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: rickn
why dont you just admit you're one of the resident board neothugs with a new registered nickname.

You call me a neothug, but all I'm asking is to talk about this rationally. It's you and a few others who are just attacking with senseless quips.

Sir, I am not the thug here.

Welcome to the board TBone. You now know what you are up against here--parrot the party line or you are scum. As your conservative opposition to what I am sure will be a plethora of differing issues, let me say that I look forward to debating an obviously worthy opponent.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Vic
My God, the trolls just keep coming out of the woodwork! And you just know that at least half of them are banned members...
I wish we could get the mods to suspend registration until after the election.

We all know very well the ability the mods have to detect banned members when they re-up to the boards. As far as trolls are concerned maybe you should re-examine your own behavior in this very thread.

Most of the thoughtful conservative members have left these boards (I'm not referring to the obviously banned members) and instead we are left with the likes of Rip. If what you want here is a Rabid Bush Haters Only Club, you are about to get what you want and deserve.

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Vic
See mine, asshole, I'm not a liberal.

Just not a brainwashed zombie with a head full of lies and half-truths like you either, and I dislike having otherwise intelligent debate disrupted by dipsh!t trolls like yourself.

Holy cow man, relax. It wasn't directed AT you - it was in agreement WITH you. My point was that these people just want to hush anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Dang.

ANYWAY...

Originally posted by: Vic
Welcome to the board TBone. You now know what you are up against here--parrot the party line or you are scum. As your conservative opposition to what I am sure will be a plethora of differing issues, let me say that I look forward to debating an obviously worthy opponent.

THANK YOU. All I wanted was to spark some conversation, not kick off the Apocolypse LOL.

 

[Todd33]

Yes, sparking conversation by calling the Democratic nominee a traitor is a good start. You will fit right in with zzzJohnGulpzzzz and some others.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Infohawk

He actually claimed he was a lib in a post the other day... meanwhile his sig was a pure liberal bash and every post he's ever made has been from a conservative perspective. :roll:

Well it's not like you guys are any more civil than the Conservatives.

*gasp*

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Yes, sparking conversation by calling the Democratic nominee a traitor is a good start. You will fit right in with zzzJohnGulpzzzz and some others.

Sorry... call it as I see it. You won't find me apologizing for that. Based on his actions, you can make a fine argument for treason.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Todd33
Yes, sparking conversation by calling the Democratic nominee a traitor is a good start. You will fit right in with zzzJohnGulpzzzz and some others.

Sorry... call it as I see it. You won't find me apologizing for that. Based on his actions, you can make a fine argument for treason.

Ok, go for it. Why you are at it I assume you will turn that critical eye towards Bush in the early 70s, since you are a liberal.

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Ok, go for it. Why you are at it I assume you will turn that critical eye towards Bush in the early 70s, since you are a liberal.

Oh you certainly won't find me defending Bush's military record. It's sketchy at best. It it weren't for Kerry's post-war actions and dealings with the government of NV, you'd find Bush's military record placed front and center by the Kerry campaign. They won't do that now though, because it would expose Kerry's past to the same scrutiny.

Regarding the issue of treason, I will defend it. I need to pull some data together; then I will post it. In the meantime, ask yourself this:

Why hasn't John Kerry released his military records, especially after explicitly demanding that Bush do so?

 

[alchemize]

Welcome aboard Tbone. As you can see, you've already attracted some of the most famously open-minded and tolerant liberals on the board. Namely Infotroll and Todd"Ihatewhitepeoplethatdon'tagreewithme"33

Now, perhaps you should examine yourself. You likely are a "neocon". You are pretty liberal on most issues. Generally liberally social, but have a moral conscience, and have been shocked into reality by 9/11, and the blatant hypocrisy and political wind-testing of the democrats. Wear that name with pride, I do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Todd33
Yes, sparking conversation by calling the Democratic nominee a traitor is a good start. You will fit right in with zzzJohnGulpzzzz and some others.

Sorry... call it as I see it. You won't find me apologizing for that. Based on his actions, you can make a fine argument for treason.

Dude, people aren't attacking you because of your opinions, they are attacking you because you post inflamatory rhetoric (like calling Kerry a traitor) then fail to back it up or respond to any counter-arguments.

For example, I said your arguments starts with the idea that there is no way to say anything negative about the war without hurting our soldiers and the Iraqis. I happen to disagree, and said so. Did you back your statement up? No. All you did was respond to my comment that you don't seem very liberal, and you didn't even explain how you can liberal and have an anti-liberal sig.

You're sitting up there on your high horse begging for "rational discussion". Fine, but it can't be a one way thing. If you expect to have a rational discussion with anyone here, you have to be willing to engage in a discussion as well.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Welcome aboard Tbone. As you can see, you've already attracted some of the most famously open-minded and tolerant liberals on the board. Namely Infotroll and Todd"Ihatewhitepeoplethatdon'tagreewithme"33

Now, perhaps you should examine yourself. You likely are a "neocon". You are pretty liberal on most issues. Generally liberally social, but have a moral conscience, and have been shocked into reality by 9/11, and the blatant hypocrisy and political wind-testing of the democrats. Wear that name with pride, I do.

Don't forget grouping everyone who disagrees with you into some broad, strawman catagory conventient for bashing.

 

[Pennstate]

I'm a liberal. And I don't like Kerry either. However, if you are a true liberal, then you'd realize that as much of douchebag Kerry is, Bush's policies resemble more elements of fascism than liberalism. If you are voting for Bush, then you are not very true to your liberal principles.



TBone77, you are more of a NeoCon.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Don't forget grouping everyone who disagrees with you into some broad, strawman catagory conventient for bashing.

You mean like calling anybody not voting for Kerry a "neocon" or "brownshirt"? Yeah, I hate those broad generalizations.

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Todd33
Yes, sparking conversation by calling the Democratic nominee a traitor is a good start. You will fit right in with zzzJohnGulpzzzz and some others.

Sorry... call it as I see it. You won't find me apologizing for that. Based on his actions, you can make a fine argument for treason.

Dude, people aren't attacking you because of your opinions, they are attacking you because you post inflamatory rhetoric (like calling Kerry a traitor) then fail to back it up or respond to any counter-arguments.

For example, I said your arguments starts with the idea that there is no way to say anything negative about the war without hurting our soldiers and the Iraqis. I happen to disagree, and said so. Did you back your statement up? No. All you did was respond to my comment that you don't seem very liberal, and you didn't even explain how you can liberal and have an anti-liberal sig.

You're sitting up there on your high horse begging for "rational discussion". Fine, but it can't be a one way thing. If you expect to have a rational discussion with anyone here, you have to be willing to engage in a discussion as well.

I agree that I need to be willing to engage in the discussion, but it's pretty difficult when you're getting verbally attacked from all sides in virtually every post. Sorting the meat from the sh1t at that point was pretty difficult, so I figured I'd just wait until the hotheads relaxed and this actually turned into a real discussion... and it seems to be happening, so:

I don't know that I would classify what I said as "you can't say anything bad about the Iraq war". I said that Bush had the support of John Kerry until Kerry realized he was losing ground to Dean. Same with Edwards. I also said that, while I agree with going (even in hindsight), I think that not having an exit strategy was a failure. There was obviously no plan in place and they grossly miscalculated the aftermath. That is something that the administration should acknowledge, but I don't know that it would be wise to do so until the bulk of the troops are out. The reasoning for this is that it would be interpreted by some nations as weakness, and now is not the time to show signs of weakness or to do anything that could be construed as weakness.

When I say I'm liberal, I'm saying it based on my actual beliefs. When you tally the score, I'm a liberal by 4. It's not a fun position, because I rarely find myself with an ally, but I try to stay true to my beliefs. The reason I don't actually back the party is because, while Republicans are certainly not saints themselves, I've found that the moral bankruptcy of the Democratic party to be intolerable. Bill Clinton is an obvious prime example. Tom Daschle is a mere obstructionist with no discernable agenda other than to fvck with the system, Hillary is an absolute fanatic who couldn't be trusted with a fork, let alone the country, and John Kerry is a puppet of public opinion. I disagree with more Republican views than I agree with, but honestly, I just trust Bush more than I trust Kerry. That's what it all boils down to.

I don't mean to paint the entire Democratic party with that brush, but when I evaulate each side's hypocricy and steadfastness, the Republican party just wins out. Unfortunately for me, I disagree with their stances, so I can't find an ally there, either. They sure have their hypocrites too, but it doesn't seem like the widespread epidemic that it is on the other side of the aisle.

Honestly, alchemize described me almost perfectly.

 

[Todd33]

Honestly, alchemize described me almost perfectly.

You may be the same person for all we know

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Pennstate
I'm a liberal. And I don't like Kerry either. However, if you are a true liberal, then you'd realize that as much of douchebag Kerry is, Bush's policies resemble more elements of fascism than liberalism. If you are voting for Bush, then you are not very true to your liberal principles.



TBone77, you are more of a NeoCon.

Well, I found a few "quizzes" on Google that all purport to tell you your political persuasion. Each one pegged me as a "neo-conservative".

Interesting: I did not know that.

Well hey, at least I have a home now!

Weee!