I think you need to get off your highI think you need to chill out. Walk away from the computer and go to a bar, and don't take your phone. It doesn't matter what kind of bar it is, sports, hookah, lounge, whatever, just go. Chill the fuck out and come back tomorrow.
I think someone is blowing smoke. Monster and Career builder are a joke.
I think you need to get off your highunicornhorse.
If holding people to a standard of civility and rationality puts me on a high horse, well, I'll just have to content myself with looking straight over your head.
Because everybody knows that ATOT is the definition civility and rationality.... and we need pretend moderators to tell remind us of that.No seriously, you are way too touchy about this topic. You don't really miss an opportunity to attack someone, even if you have to make it up on the spot. I'm not pretending you're the only one either, but we just had a stretch of civil discussion and here you are telling a person they're full of shit simply because you say so.
If holding people to a standard of civility and rationality puts me on a high horse, well, I'll just have to content myself with looking straight over your head.
Like I said it depends on location, and what experience and technology you have listed on the resume. Mostly comes down to your experience.
If your area sucks for monster and career builder then there's nothing you can do.
I wasn't blowing smoke co-workers of mine that also used the same sites have told me they get calls too. My resume is not active anymore so the calls have subsided. 80% of the time I let them go to voicemail.
I saw an article written online several years ago written about how lazy, self-entitled, dependent, selfish, etc. the milliennial generation is and how it's so difficult to find good employees and blah blah blah. After the "author" left the article up for a week or so and thousands and thousands of employers were commenting on how accurate the article was and what pieces of shit the millennials were, it was revealed the article was actually written 30 to 40 years ago about baby boomers.
I saw an article written online several years ago written about how lazy, self-entitled, dependent, selfish, etc. the milliennial generation is and how it's so difficult to find good employees and blah blah blah. After the "author" left the article up for a week or so and thousands and thousands of employers were commenting on how accurate the article was and what pieces of shit the millennials were, it was revealed the article was actually written 30 to 40 years ago about baby boomers.
Somehow I find that hard to believe unless the OP was a troll just looking to say that to begin with to be honest.I saw an article written online several years ago written about how lazy, self-entitled, dependent, selfish, etc. the milliennial generation is and how it's so difficult to find good employees and blah blah blah. After the "author" left the article up for a week or so and thousands and thousands of employers were commenting on how accurate the article was and what pieces of shit the millennials were, it was revealed the article was actually written 30 to 40 years ago about baby boomers.
baby boomers were the start of the end for America.
Thank you for asking this question.Just out of curiosity, what was the management staff wearing?
If holding people to a standard of civility and rationality puts me on a high horse, well, I'll just have to content myself with looking straight over your head.
I'll guess i'll chime in with my experience as a 28 year old "millenial". I feel that our generation has it stacked against us. I graduated in 2007 w/ a computer engineering degree right before the economic downturn and found a great job. my company straight up stopped hiring new hires after 2008, and i've been the " new guy" in my department until last year. some friends and classmtes who have decent majors were able to find good jobs too, however i also have friends who are severely unemployed, like graduated with a mechanical engineering degree and is now working at a call center. another mech e friend was unemployed for 2 years before finding something decent.
I feel like if i had to go job hunting today i'd have a tough time, my skillset and job experience is now specific to my industry, and as someone else mentioned in this thread, employers now want to hire someone who's ready for the job at hand, and unwilling to work with someone who's willing to learn on the job. personally i'm trying to stay as relevant as possible by trying to learn new things, getting a CCNA cert, etc, just in case if I had to go job hunting tomorrow.
As for previous generations and society in general, I feel like our parents generation (the boom generation) won the lottery. the majority of their jobs had pensions, great benefits, etc. now my company no longer offers pensions or any of the other perks that some 30 yr old vets have around here. Things just cost a shit ton more nowadays, and the economics are different.
I think most importantly houses were affordable. a house that cost around $150-200K in the year 2000 is now $350-400 in my area. Even after the housing market crash, it's nearly impossible for people my age to afford a house in my area, the prices are completely nuts still. i know alot of people my age moving out to the boonies and spend an hour commuting to the suburbs to work. my parents were fresh off the boat from the war, barely made above minimum wage in the 70's and were able to buy a house in a very nice middle class neighborhood within the first 6 years of living in the US, while raising 2 kids. Does anyone reasonably think that can happen today? my wife and I barely could afford our townhouse in the town we live in, and we make way more than minimum wage!
My non-economist theory is this, back during the boomer days, the norm was a working dad, and stay at home mom, one bread winner. things back then were designed so that a one income family could afford a nice middle class life. as the years progressed with inflation, our society adjusted to having two bread winners, essentially doubling the cost of everything, so that to have a nice middle class life one person either has to have an extremely high paying job $150K+ or both have to be working.
so there's just my humble opinion and observation of what's been going on around me as a millenial, not sure how off the mark i am.
Oh yea the internet and a cellphone, great. How about an affordable house can I get one of those?I don't think that's accurate. There are a lot of amenities now-a-days that people back then didn't have. Things that are unnecessary but that we still spend money on. The internet. Cell phones. etc.
We have a lot more 'stuff' than we ever did 50 years ago. I'm a single-income family, living in a decent house in a decent area. It's quite doable, if you agree that Cable isn't really important, yearly cruises or trips to Disney World really aren't all that big to you, etc.
Our society has become complacent and doesn't realize how much 'stuff' they have compared to the rest of the world. This is in the process of correcting and a lot of people who have semi-worthless degrees or simply aren't very good at what they do are quickly finding out that what their parents told them simply wasn't true. You cannot be 'anything you want' and make a good living at it.
I don't think that's accurate. There are a lot of amenities now-a-days that people back then didn't have. Things that are unnecessary but that we still spend money on. The internet. Cell phones. etc.
We have a lot more 'stuff' than we ever did 50 years ago. I'm a single-income family, living in a decent house in a decent area. It's quite doable, if you agree that Cable isn't really important, yearly cruises or trips to Disney World really aren't all that big to you, etc.
Our society has become complacent and doesn't realize how much 'stuff' they have compared to the rest of the world. This is in the process of correcting and a lot of people who have semi-worthless degrees or simply aren't very good at what they do are quickly finding out that what their parents told them simply wasn't true. You cannot be 'anything you want' and make a good living at it.
You got laid off because of FILO policies.I've been reading this thread over a couple days now, and I've seen a lot of really polarizing opinions, so I'll throw out another one.
I'm 28, and I've worked in software for 7 years now, not including during school. When I graduated I interviewed with 4 companies. 3 of those made me an offer. When I got laid off from my last company, I interviewed with my current one - and only my current one - and received an offer with the salary I wanted. People tell me I'm "lucky", I tell them I try to make my own luck.
My #1 rule of thumb is bring the right attitude. That boils down to a combination of confidence and respect. Be friendly, courteous, and respectful while you present why you are the best candidate for the job, and why they would be fortunate to have you aboard. The key is actually believing what you say - no bullshit, cause then your confidence drops like a rock. In order to believe what you say, you actually have to know what you're talking about. If you're an entry-level candidate, don't pretend like you know everything, they don't expect you to. If you're an experienced candidate, be prepared to talk about the things you do know about, and don't be afraid to tell the interviewer if you've entered unknown territory.
I'm not sure if I'm a 'millenial', but what I've noticed throughout the thread is interviewees that have too much of the confidence component and not enough of the respect component. Maybe this generation wasn't raised with manners and politeness in mind, and maybe that's why I haven't had the problems that others have. I always remember to be polite, and I always remember my pleases and thank-yous. It's not hard to do, but I don't always see people remembering their common courtesies, and they go a long way.
There is also a huge difference between being confident and humble, and confident and arrogant. Being humble is a balance to the confidence and makes you come across as intelligent and friendly. Humor works well. Arrogance has an aggregate affect to confidence and makes you come across as intelligent and an asshole. No one wants to work with an asshole, no matter how smart you are.
Regarding clothing, in my experience in the software field, as long as you put some effort into looking nice, clothing does not matter. I typically wear nice shoes, a nice pair of dress jeans or khakis, and a tucked in polo to a quick lunch interview. I'll wear dress pants and a tucked in button down shirt to an on site interview. I wear these things because I am comfortable in them and it helps my confidence. If I'm overdressed I tend to get fidgety and am constantly thinking about my clothing. If I'm comfortable and less formally dressed I think it gives them a much better impression than if I'm uncomfortable and more formally dressed.
Basically, I think all the 'millenial' stories can be broken down to a lack of confidence or a lack of respect.
Candidates that ...
- bring their parents: lack of confidence
- use their phone during an interview: lack of respect
- the guy that said '2 week' rather than an '8 week' agile cycle: lack of respect
- not bringing a resume, and then saying 'you brought me here': lack of respect
- putting things on your resume that you don't know: lack of confidence (you should be confident in what you know and don't know, don't lie...)
- wearing very casual clothing: lack of respect
....etc etc